The reasons I am disappointed

[Deep Shoat]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

[WPS007]

I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.

I am with you 100%   + 1

[King TUSKankahamun]

Best thread in MMQB in a very long time. Well done sir

[Deep Shoat]

Best thread in MMQB in a very long time. Well done sir

Note, of course, that it is being roundly ignored.

[The Hogfather]

 

[ErieHog]

I knew this would be  a rough year, so I decided before it started, to look not at the results, but at the changes in process.

The changes in process are pretty uniformly vast improvements.   Defenders that spent last year unable to get lined up,  and getting whipped, for example, are at least lining up correctly before being whipped.     Guys are being put in positions to succeed, but aren't getting it done.   

The disappointment is, for me, largely in effort.  There is way too much quit, across the board.   Beyond that, it isn't that far from what I expected this year.

[Tusks]

I didn't know I was a fringe.  Thought I had a solid perspective.  I can't wait to tell my kids.

[TomasPistola]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

I miss your posts sir.

[woopigsooie1222]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

Pretty much sums everything up.

[12247]

Deep Shoat, You offer the problem in your very first sentence.  Even you thought things would be better than they have turned out.  That is the problem and the first point of frustration for nearly everyone.

I read on here a lot and I don't see the major Jeff Long haters, Bobby's Buddies and coach changers that it appears you see.  Maybe i just miss them but really that isn't likely.  Most of the negative posts come on game day when we are getting shelled and the posters or drunk or getting drunk.  I tend to just look over that.  After that, I see those abovers defending themselves from some pretty harsh posters on here who pour it on because they do express their feelings and it isn't Sunshine.  Well, our program isn't sunshine right now.  Everyone thinks they have the answer, when actually we don't.

As an example, I will offer my personal situation.  Been a Hog fan since the early 60s so I have seen a lot of hog football in those 50 years.  I watched every coach from Broyles until today try to establish a strong powerful running game that would just overpower the competition.  The exception was Petrino.  Oh, Petrino always siad he wanted a great running game but the truth is, he didn't want it that bad.  Let me add here before I am marked as a Petrino lover and cult member, in my opinion, Petrino's system would never have won an SEC Championship.  Just not nearly enough defense.  But here is the point.  For all those 50 years, I have never seen any coach provide that strong powerful winning running offense.  Hatfield did pretty good some years, especially those years where we were the only SWC team not on probation and talent depleted.  But history will prove that when Hatfield took that show up against a really good team, he got blasted pretty ugly.

So folks don't wish to talk about the recruiting but its a fact of life for football.  50 years of trying to recruit big powerful running teams and all failed as to producing championship winners.  All fail.  This is what concerns me about the current direction of the football team.  Our 50 year history of recruiting indicates we have issues competing with the very folks we play when it comes to recruiting.  We lose that game ALL the time, every year since being in the SEC and actually the entire 50 years I've watched.  So at least in my case, when I bemoan our direction, and I try to do it respectful, I've got 50 years of experience showing those tendencies.  Its simple.  I've been driving this same road for 50 years and been hitting those same potholes for all that time.  What can I say to look all Sunshiney or what can I believe will make this road all smooth.  History and stats are a decent indicator of the future, sadly.

I wish to add that your thread is insightful and well posted.  I trust that you can underestand there are reasons besides, we're idiots, in some of the naysayer posts.

[wupigsuey]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

baahahahahhaa..great post. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[hoghearted]

Deep Shoat, You offer the problem in your very first sentence.  Even you thought things would be better than they have turned out.  That is the problem and the first point of frustration for nearly everyone.

I read on here a lot and I don't see the major Jeff Long haters, Bobby's Buddies and coach changers that it appears you see.  Maybe i just miss them but really that isn't likely.  Most of the negative posts come on game day when we are getting shelled and the posters or drunk or getting drunk.  I tend to just look over that.  After that, I see those abovers defending themselves from some pretty harsh posters on here who pour it on because they do express their feelings and it isn't Sunshine.  Well, our program isn't sunshine right now.  Everyone thinks they have the answer, when actually we don't.

As an example, I will offer my personal situation.  Been a Hog fan since the early 60s so I have seen a lot of hog football in those 50 years.  I watched every coach from Broyles until today try to establish a strong powerful running game that would just overpower the competition.  The exception was Petrino.  Oh, Petrino always siad he wanted a great running game but the truth is, he didn't want it that bad.  Let me add here before I am marked as a Petrino lover and cult member, in my opinion, Petrino's system would never have won an SEC Championship.  Just not nearly enough defense.  But here is the point.  For all those 50 years, I have never seen any coach provide that strong powerful winning running offense.  Hatfield did pretty good some years, especially those years where we were the only SWC team not on probation and talent depleted.  But history will prove that when Hatfield took that show up against a really good team, he got blasted pretty ugly.

So folks don't wish to talk about the recruiting but its a fact of life for football.  50 years of trying to recruit big powerful running teams and all failed as to producing championship winners.  All fail.  This is what concerns me about the current direction of the football team.  Our 50 year history of recruiting indicates we have issues competing with the very folks we play when it comes to recruiting.  We lose that game ALL the time, every year since being in the SEC and actually the entire 50 years I've watched.  So at least in my case, when I bemoan our direction, and I try to do it respectful, I've got 50 years of experience showing those tendencies.  Its simple.  I've been driving this same road for 50 years and been hitting those same potholes for all that time.  What can I say to look all Sunshiney or what can I believe will make this road all smooth.  History and stats are a decent indicator of the future, sadly.

I wish to add that your thread is insightful and well posted.  I trust that you can underestand there are reasons besides, we're idiots, in some of the naysayer posts.

Bravo. I concur.




Do you, or anyone else, have an answer to how to avoid all those potholes we continue to hit, year after year? Serious question.

[M L (bassplayer)]

Wow, and I almost didn't look at this thread because I thought it would be the same old BS.
Exactly where I am. As a fan who had posters of Bill Montgomery and Chuck Dicus hanging over my bed when I was a kid, I will always be a loyal hog fan. Call me a homer or whatever, but I'm all in. We've had most of our troubles because of a lack of continuity with our coaches and frankly there was a recent period when it looked like no one wanted the job. I'm behind the current staff and players and with continued recruiting success, like Collins, Henry, and others, we will get back on track. Keep the faith.  :razorback:

[bphi11ips]

Wow, and I almost didn't look at this thread because I thought it would be the same old BS.

Same here.  Glad I looked.  Great post!

[12247]

Hoghearted, I wish i knew the answer.  It must start with recruiting and we've had some really good and some really bad coaches all fail to just out recruit the field and we've failed every single time.  History indicates that we've won many games with onesided aprroaches to schemes.  It also reveals that we've never really come close to winning championships with that approach.

Common sense would say that if you can field equal talent in a game, then that game should be decided by the coaching, the refs, the location and the conditions.

When you constantly field lessor talent then you must be able to out work and out coach your competition.  It doesn't hurt if you have the best eye of the refs, the location and the conditions all on your side too.  Honestly though, the SEC refs are usually trying to keep the rich richer.  It ain't nice to have some upstart landing a blow to the conference leader and us missing a national championship game completely. 

Everytime we go against a group of 4 stars running 2 deep at nearly every position with our set of pretty good 3 stars and weak backups at nearly every position, we better have something up our sleeve beside just lining up and running over them.  The razzle dazzle type football being used today at many stadiums across the nation wasn't started just to excite the fans.  Those coaches wanted to win and realized they couldn't stand toe to toe and exchange blows with what they could recruit versus what the competition could recruit. 

If Ali had just stood toe to toe in the middle or the boxing ring and exchanged blows with his competition, he would have never been workd champion even once, much less 3 times over.  Ali moved and floated like a biutterfly and stung like a bee.  His 3 star punch won lots of fights because his 5 star movement didn't allow him to get centered with a killer punch.  We could learn a lot from Ali.

[hoghearted]

Solid post. Hope BB and his staff adopt that approach, and realize that we will probably have to out-scheme our competition, when we can't out-talent them.

[LR54]

Hoghearted, I wish i knew the answer.  It must start with recruiting and we've had some really good and some really bad coaches all fail to just out recruit the field and we've failed every single time.  History indicates that we've won many games with onesided aprroaches to schemes.  It also reveals that we've never really come close to winning championships with that approach.

Common sense would say that if you can field equal talent in a game, then that game should be decided by the coaching, the refs, the location and the conditions.

When you constantly field lessor talent then you must be able to out work and out coach your competition.  It doesn't hurt if you have the best eye of the refs, the location and the conditions all on your side too.  Honestly though, the SEC refs are usually trying to keep the rich richer.  It ain't nice to have some upstart landing a blow to the conference leader and us missing a national championship game completely. 

Everytime we go against a group of 4 stars running 2 deep at nearly every position with our set of pretty good 3 stars and weak backups at nearly every position, we better have something up our sleeve beside just lining up and running over them.  The razzle dazzle type football being used today at many stadiums across the nation wasn't started just to excite the fans.  Those coaches wanted to win and realized they couldn't stand toe to toe and exchange blows with what they could recruit versus what the competition could recruit. 

If Ali had just stood toe to toe in the middle or the boxing ring and exchanged blows with his competition, he would have never been workd champion even once, much less 3 times over.  Ali moved and floated like a biutterfly and stung like a bee.  His 3 star punch won lots of fights because his 5 star movement didn't allow him to get centered with a killer punch.  We could learn a lot from Ali.

Nebraska and Wisconsin established the blueprint for building winning programs in states that produced less D1 talent than their conference competition. It appears that CBB will follow that same plan. 

The cornerstone to both systems were dominant O-lines. Those can be developed as much as recruited. Strong redshirt and walk-on programs feed the system. Good recruiting can shorten the time it takes to establish a competitive line. Kirkland and Skipper are good examples. But it will take some time.

The O-line paves the way for the power run game and play action passing. And a run first offense is not the same as a run only offense. Something that gets confused on HV frequently. CBB's teams averaged over 200 yards/game in both rushing and passing 6 out of 7 years. The exception was last year when QB injuries hurt the passing game.

These type teams are also built in a way that offense, defense, and special teams all work together to complement each other. It's more of a total team approach to winning, rather than favoring one side of the ball to the detriment of the other side. It's a system that emphasizes a "team" mentality more than a "star" mentality.

Stars will obviously make any system better, but these teams generally far exceeded their recruiting service rankings with on-field productivity.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7029768/barry-alvarez-builds-wisconsin-badgers-lessons-learned-nebraska-cornhuskers

Will it work here? We don't know yet. We also don't know that it won't work. But I don't see an NFL O-line, balanced yardage offense, stout defense, and solid special teams, as bad things.

As far as "razzle and dazzle" offenses go. If you have demonstrated the ability to develop NFL size and quality O-lines, why would you give up that advantage to run a different system?

[BoynamedWooPigSooie]

bump

[hogsanity]

DEFENSE has always been what has kept our best teams from winning titles.

[Newhopehog]

Nebraska is irrelevant now...they get their butts handed to them quite often now....I can count on one hand the number of ranked teams wiskey has beaten in the last 10 years.....when you face 5 or 6 ranked teams a season you had better have either talent or scheme that will help make up for lack of talent...right now our class is ranked somewhere around 35 in the nation and 12th in SEC, that will not get it done playing big boy football....jmho

[LR54]

Nebraska is irrelevant now...they get their butts handed to them quite often now....I can count on one hand the number of ranked teams wiskey has beaten in the last 10 years.....when you face 5 or 6 ranked teams a season you had better have either talent or scheme that will help make up for lack of talent...right now our class is ranked somewhere around 35 in the nation and 12th in SEC, that will not get it done playing big boy football....jmho

If you had read the linked article you would know it has nothing to do with the Nebraska teams of today. In fact it traces Nebraska's decline to Callahan's implementation of a west coast offense at the expense of the power run.

Wisconsin didn't have to worry about beating ranked teams before Alvarez because they hadn't been competitive in the B1G for 30 years before he implemented the Nebraska system.

The entire post and article are about how to defeat more talented teams with system/scheme.

CBB's 2008 and 2009 classes were both ranked in the 40s and both re-ranked in the top 10 for actual productivity.

[cardinalandwhite]

The last decade or so have shown that if you want to win an SEC title and National Championship, you must do one of two things.  You can either have an athletic freak, the likes of which the NCAA only sees once a decade or so (see $Cam), or you win in the trenches.  We just hired a coach who consistently had one of the best offensive lines in the nation, and an offensive line coach considered one of the top in the game.  At least we're trying.  Now we wait to see if it'll work.

[Dbl D]

Deep Shoat, You offer the problem in your very first sentence.  Even you thought things would be better than they have turned out.  That is the problem and the first point of frustration for nearly everyone.

I read on here a lot and I don't see the major Jeff Long haters, Bobby's Buddies and coach changers that it appears you see.  Maybe i just miss them but really that isn't likely.  Most of the negative posts come on game day when we are getting shelled and the posters or drunk or getting drunk.  I tend to just look over that.  After that, I see those abovers defending themselves from some pretty harsh posters on here who pour it on because they do express their feelings and it isn't Sunshine.  Well, our program isn't sunshine right now.  Everyone thinks they have the answer, when actually we don't.

As an example, I will offer my personal situation.  Been a Hog fan since the early 60s so I have seen a lot of hog football in those 50 years.  I watched every coach from Broyles until today try to establish a strong powerful running game that would just overpower the competition.  The exception was Petrino.  Oh, Petrino always siad he wanted a great running game but the truth is, he didn't want it that bad.  Let me add here before I am marked as a Petrino lover and cult member, in my opinion, Petrino's system would never have won an SEC Championship.  Just not nearly enough defense.  But here is the point.  For all those 50 years, I have never seen any coach provide that strong powerful winning running offense.  Hatfield did pretty good some years, especially those years where we were the only SWC team not on probation and talent depleted.  But history will prove that when Hatfield took that show up against a really good team, he got blasted pretty ugly.

So folks don't wish to talk about the recruiting but its a fact of life for football.  50 years of trying to recruit big powerful running teams and all failed as to producing championship winners.  All fail.  This is what concerns me about the current direction of the football team.  Our 50 year history of recruiting indicates we have issues competing with the very folks we play when it comes to recruiting.  We lose that game ALL the time, every year since being in the SEC and actually the entire 50 years I've watched.  So at

I wish to add that your thread is insightful and well posted.  I trust that you can underestand there are reasons besides, we're idiots, in some of the naysayer posts.

I've been there. Well said.

[PonderinHog]

DEFENSE has always been what has kept our best teams from winning titles.

I disagree.  Since we've been in the SEC, true enough.

[hoghevn]

BEST post of the YEAR!!!!  I TOTALLY concur!!

THANK YOU!!!!

[DeltaBoy]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

Great Post

[bphi11ips]

Nebraska and Wisconsin established the blueprint for building winning programs in states that produced less D1 talent than their conference competition. It appears that CBB will follow that same plan. 

The cornerstone to both systems were dominant O-lines. Those can be developed as much as recruited. Strong redshirt and walk-on programs feed the system. Good recruiting can shorten the time it takes to establish a competitive line. Kirkland and Skipper are good examples. But it will take some time.

The O-line paves the way for the power run game and play action passing. And a run first offense is not the same as a run only offense. Something that gets confused on HV frequently. CBB's teams averaged over 200 yards/game in both rushing and passing 6 out of 7 years. The exception was last year when QB injuries hurt the passing game.

These type teams are also built in a way that offense, defense, and special teams all work together to complement each other. It's more of a total team approach to winning, rather than favoring one side of the ball to the detriment of the other side. It's a system that emphasizes a "team" mentality more than a "star" mentality.

Stars will obviously make any system better, but these teams generally far exceeded their recruiting service rankings with on-field productivity.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7029768/barry-alvarez-builds-wisconsin-badgers-lessons-learned-nebraska-cornhuskers

Will it work here? We don't know yet. We also don't know that it won't work. But I don't see an NFL O-line, balanced yardage offense, stout defense, and solid special teams, as bad things.

As far as "razzle and dazzle" offenses go. If you have demonstrated the ability to develop NFL size and quality O-lines, why would you give up that advantage to run a different system?

this is the best post I've read here in a while.

[jabohog]

I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.

I am with you 100%   + 1

That's the funniest line I've read in a long time.

[jabohog]

If allowed Bert will develop a redshirt program that will give OL and DL prospects a chance to develop physically and fundamentally for the type offense and defense we run. This is a win, win type situation that a program like Arkansas needs. Yeah, sure, if you have a freshman phenom come in then yeah, use him cause he possibly won't be here 4-5 years anyway. But we need this kind of program established and I think Bert will get it done.

[jabohog]

The reason I'm disappointed this year is the simple lack of improvement on fundamental things. The penalties, the turnovers, the shooting yourself in the foot type stuff that is usually controlled by the coaches. The let down by the defense when the offense was playing good, the let down by the offense when the defense was playing adequate. That's the biggest for me, we would have been closer to wins without the Pogo mentality, but the biggest thing is that as long as I have been watching Hog football (since 65) I have never seen a team have worse luck at the worst times. Lord, just let us have a little better luck so we know we ain't smitten.

[ErieHog]

The reason I'm disappointed this year is the simple lack of improvement on fundamental things. The penalties, the turnovers, the shooting yourself in the foot type stuff that is usually controlled by the coaches. The let down by the defense when the offense was playing good, the let down by the offense when the defense was playing adequate. That's the biggest for me, we would have been closer to wins without the Pogo mentality, but the biggest thing is that as long as I have been watching Hog football (since 65) I have never seen a team have worse luck at the worst times. Lord, just let us have a little better luck so we know we ain't smitten.

Penalties?  We're the 18th least penalized team in college football, and least penalized team in the SEC-- Tennessee is next, at 28th.  Our penalties tend to be of the longer yardage variety-- 39th in FBS football by yardage, but that's still 4th best in the SEC.

We're not penalty plagued, by any measure.

[Pig In The City]

I am disappointed when the sun doesn't rise in the morning.  Looks like I am good today.

[LSUFan]

The man can't even be honest with himself, nor a potential life mate, nor a Fan Base.
RB Fans got screwed.

Arkansas was sold snake oil, Long took it, hook, line, and sinker, and he didn't even make Bert bait the hook.

I love the smurk.

Admin changes need to be made on the hill, PERIOD.

[Pig In The City]

The man can't even be honest with himself, nor a potential life mate, nor a Fan Base.
RB Fans got screwed.

Arkansas was sold snake oil, Long took it, hook, line, and sinker, and he didn't even make Bert bait the hook.

I love the smurk.

Admin changes need to be made on the hill, PERIOD.

I've read a few of your posts and they are all the same, "I hate CBB, blah, blah, blah."  I think we know that you are not a CBB fan already.  There is really no need to keep repeating yourself.  We GET it.  You talk about snake oil, but I am wondering what you are trying to sell.

[LSUFan]

I've read a few of your posts and they are all the same, "I hate CBB, blah, blah, blah."  I think we know that you are not a CBB fan already.  There is really no need to keep repeating yourself.  We GET it.  You talk about snake oil, but I am wondering what you are trying to sell.

Keep him, please give him 38 years, PLEASE!!!!!

[Pork Twain]

The man can't even be honest with himself, nor a potential life mate, nor a Fan Base.
RB Fans got screwed.

Arkansas was sold snake oil, Long took it, hook, line, and sinker, and he didn't even make Bert bait the hook.

I love the smurk.

Admin changes need to be made on the hill, PERIOD.

Man you are becoming a real troll

[LSUFan]

Man you are becoming a real troll

So I should just STFU? Is that what this board has become? "Tow the line or STFU"?

Ok, erase, erase, erase. KEEP Bert forever, PLEASE!!!

I posted a link, that is all. Y'all love him? Please keep him.

[A_R_K_A_N_S_A_S]

Nebraska and Wisconsin established the blueprint for building winning programs in states that produced less D1 talent than their conference competition. It appears that CBB will follow that same plan. 

The cornerstone to both systems were dominant O-lines. Those can be developed as much as recruited. Strong redshirt and walk-on programs feed the system. Good recruiting can shorten the time it takes to establish a competitive line. Kirkland and Skipper are good examples. But it will take some time.

The O-line paves the way for the power run game and play action passing. And a run first offense is not the same as a run only offense. Something that gets confused on HV frequently. CBB's teams averaged over 200 yards/game in both rushing and passing 6 out of 7 years. The exception was last year when QB injuries hurt the passing game.

These type teams are also built in a way that offense, defense, and special teams all work together to complement each other. It's more of a total team approach to winning, rather than favoring one side of the ball to the detriment of the other side. It's a system that emphasizes a "team" mentality more than a "star" mentality.

Stars will obviously make any system better, but these teams generally far exceeded their recruiting service rankings with on-field productivity.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7029768/barry-alvarez-builds-wisconsin-badgers-lessons-learned-nebraska-cornhuskers

Will it work here? We don't know yet. We also don't know that it won't work. But I don't see an NFL O-line, balanced yardage offense, stout defense, and solid special teams, as bad things.

As far as "razzle and dazzle" offenses go. If you have demonstrated the ability to develop NFL size and quality O-lines, why would you give up that advantage to run a different system?

Thanks for linking the article! This is what I thought CBB is trying to do, but reading the article makes me feel better about waiting a little longer than just 1 or 2 years. It's going to take us some time but when we get there we should be solid for a long time.

Our state should be able to supply enough talent to build a strong walk-on program, seems we have plenty of young men that bleed Razorback Red but are just not quite developed enough to play SEC ball right out of high school. We need guys that will "Never Yield" (not quit) and we have them in this state, we just need to develop them thru our walk-on program. Surround the out of state scholly guys with in-state walk-ons that fight 110% for their jobs everyday and we will see attitude changes.

[urkillnmesmalls]

DEFENSE has always been what has kept our best teams from winning titles.

It gets back to the "How did we NOT win a NC with Hillis, DMAC, and FJ in the backfield." 

Easy...we couldn't stop anyone.  We were rushing for the world against everyone, but losing games 38-34 and ridiculous things like that.  "If HDN could have just developed a QB."  I think in at least one of those seasons we led the league in rushing AND scoring average.  Defense still stunk...

But Hogsanity, if you're like me, the biggest concern right now with the program HAS to be the issues that we seem to be facing with getting top defenders in.  I would have thought that CBB's staff and reputation would have done more to get some kids in there who want to be stand out players with all of their NFL connections.  It's disappointing to me that we're not seeing that area doing very well.  Maybe it will take a few years and some wins, fortified HS relationships, and then we'll see improvement. 

As it stands right now...they better be polishing up their "development" boots on.   

[Peter Porker]

People that think, "all we have to do is spread the football around" and "we can't out Bama Bama" answer me this: why doesn't mountain home win state? They run a spread offense. Why can't Bryant win state? They also run a spread offense?

[immahog]

well said +1

[hog911]

I decided that since others are admitting their frustrations with this season, I will bite the bullet and announce mine, too.

1.  I thought we would be better than this. After the disillusionment and sheer pain of last season under JLS, I expected a better grasp of what this season would look like among our fans.  Even the other SEC coaches get it.  We are a paper thin team with a new QB and the worst back 7 in the SEC learning new systems on both sides of the ball with an entirely new staff.  Of course we aren't going to be very good.  I really thought Razorback fans understood this reality.  I guess not.

2.  I am also frustrated that we can't have a real conversation about actual football.  Try it and see how fast the Jeff Long haters, Bobby buddies, and the "I told you we should have hired Gus/Art/Gruden" trolls shart up your thread.  Throw in the "We can't out Bama Bama" fringe and the "Recruiting sucks, it really really sucks" crowd and you whole discussion turns to dog crap by post 5.  It sure would be nice to actually talk about football.

3.  Patience.  The "me" generation thinks good thinks come to those who whine incessantly, so the mewling started from the moment CBB was hired.  Toss in those posters who just want to stir the pot hoping to get Long fired, and you have toxic stew of "FireBert beginning in the Samford game.  Barring perfectly aligned stars and a reasonable schedule, all rebuilds take time.  A little patience is necessary or you (and everyone around you) are miserable.  Because you are miserable, you act like a prick.  I wish I could kick you impatient bastards in the scrotum until your head popped off.  It takes time to build a sustainable program.  If you want consistent contention, the frisking shut up your whining and give CBB time.

Sincerely,
Almost ashamed to be associated with other Hog fans

Patience? We have one player on the top three hundred recruiting list for next season and a coaching staff who can't coach up players! I have a feeling the majority of this board considers 6 wins a successful season! These same people walk through life with no real aspirations or goals and wonder why success doesn't magically fall upon them! In live you want it, you go get it! Patience is one of the many excuses losers give!!!!!!!!!!

[LR54]

Patience? We have one player on the top three hundred recruiting list for next season and a coaching staff who can't coach up players! I have a feeling the majority of this board considers 6 wins a successful season! These same people walk through life with no real aspirations or goals and wonder why success doesn't magically fall upon them! In live you want it, you go get it! Patience is one of the many excuses losers give!!!!!!!!!!

An example of how patience works is that if you had the patience to take the time to do some fact checking, you would have found that this coaching staff has put over 128 players (and counting) in the NFL. The very definition of "coaching up players".

Patience is what people do when they take the time to look both ways before crossing the street. So they don't step in front of a bus.

Patience is what winners employ when they realize sustainable success is achieved through careful attention to detail and process. Not a series of shortcuts, quick fixes, and knee jerk reactions.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

The man can't even be honest with himself, nor a potential life mate, nor a Fan Base.
RB Fans got screwed.

Arkansas was sold snake oil, Long took it, hook, line, and sinker, and he didn't even make Bert bait the hook.

Admin changes need to be made on the hill, PERIOD.

I agree about the admin changes.

I don't really agree about your stance on BB.  For example, you bought the Wisconsin "we were glad to get rid of him" bait hook, line, and sinker.  Here is the ACTUAL Wisconsin response to losing Bielema, in the order it happened:  shock, confusion, panic, anger, and finally, denial.  The list of excuses people have concocted to discredit BB's success at Wisconsin is so long it's like getting to the 4th level of Scientology.  He might not end up as the long-term answer for Arkansas, but he was a solid hire, in an off-season of terrible hires.     

[JaketheSnake]

Patience? We have one player on the top three hundred recruiting list for next season and a coaching staff who can't coach up players! I have a feeling the majority of this board considers 6 wins a successful season! These same people walk through life with no real aspirations or goals and wonder why success doesn't magically fall upon them! In live you want it, you go get it! Patience is one of the many excuses losers give!!!!!!!!!!

Plant an apple tree today and pick some apples tomorrow.  Things dont change overnight.  BP didnt win at the level anyone wanted his first year either.  What's the difference?  We had got rid of a coach most wanted gone in HDN.  Now, ppl loved the success we were having under BP, so CBB is getting thrown to the wolves at any and every opportunity. 

[Deep Shoat]

Patience? We have one player on the top three hundred recruiting list for next season and a coaching staff who can't coach up players! I have a feeling the majority of this board considers 6 wins a successful season! These same people walk through life with no real aspirations or goals and wonder why success doesn't magically fall upon them! In live you want it, you go get it! Patience is one of the many excuses losers give!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you tell us about all the great success you have wallowed in by making irrational, stupid ass decisions before you had all the facts?

[Ham Ham Pigelow]

Patience? We have one player on the top three hundred recruiting list for next season and a coaching staff who can't coach up players! I have a feeling the majority of this board considers 6 wins a successful season! These same people walk through life with no real aspirations or goals and wonder why success doesn't magically fall upon them! In live you want it, you go get it! Patience is one of the many excuses losers give!!!!!!!!!!

Humans worry me sometimes. So if there's a will there's a way right? Any other irrational cliches you want to toss in there? And please tell us how you are reading this post in your corner office overlooking the peasants as I'm sure you are a fortune 500 CEO with that type of inspiration.

[Pork Twain]

So I should just STFU? Is that what this board has become? "Tow the line or STFU"?

Ok, erase, erase, erase. KEEP Bert forever, PLEASE!!!

I posted a link, that is all. Y'all love him? Please keep him.

No just keep on trolling.  Apparently that is what you have become good at.

[DoctorSusscrofa]

Hatfield did pretty good some years, especially those years where we were the only SWC team not on probation and talent depleted.  But history will prove that when Hatfield took that show up against a really good team, he got blasted pretty ugly.

While it's true that Miami and Oklahoma certainly delivered a couple of beat downs to Hatfield teams during his six years at Arkansas, he really didn't get beat down that much.  Here are some non SWC teams we played and got beat by.  Three SEC teams (all three in bowls), a PAC 10 team and Miami in 1988. 

Hatfield vs. Auburn (12-27-84)   15 to 21
Hatfield vs. Tennessee (1-1-90) 27 to 31
Hatfield vs. Miami (11-26-88)     16 to 18
Hatfield vs. Georgia (12-29-87)   17 to 20
Hatfield vs. UCLA  (1-2-89)         3 to 17

And we beat Arizona State 18-17 in a rare bowl win in 1985.  I won't deny that we had a some weak opponents and not very many truly great opponents in that period.  But in looking at the outcomes of the games Hatfield coached, I just don't see where people get this idea that Hatfield got beat down by anybody that was good.  In scanning the results, I really don't see any more beat downs than the first Miami game at Little Rock and the 42-8 Oklahoma game.

I certainly don't know if Hatfield or his style would have ever won a national championship.  That we will never know since his style is even different from that of a coach like BB. 

I suppose you can claim that only the two teams that blasted us were any good.  But was Miami suddenly a weak sister one year later?  Was Tennessee's Cotton Bowl team a weak sister?  Even Troy Aikman (Heisman winner) and UCLA only made 17 points. (I certainly grant you that game was not a great one offensively for us, though.)

Miami in 1987 also blanked Lou Holtz' Notre Dame team (24-0).  And the 1988 Miami team which we hung within 2 of, beat Florida State 31-0, LSU 44-3 (at LSU) and Nebraska 23-3.

Anyway, I'd be willing to have a coach who won 10 games three times in 6 years, won 9 or better 5 times, and went to 6 bowls.

[secneahog]

Bravo.

Even in Bps first year when we was getting killed fans stood by him.
Coach BB gets thrown to the wolves.   
I would like to think there is only a small portion of Arkansas fans that hate BB.