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56Hog

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/TU/article.aspx?subjectid

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. - Quick Question: When should Tulsa agree to play Arkansas in another football game in the Razorbacks' home state?

Here's a quick and logical answer, which I'll spell out for you: N.E.V.E.R.

That's right, never, ever again.

Well, at least not until Arkansas agrees to make its first trip to Tulsa since 1952. Uh, that's not a typo. The Hogs incredibly haven't played on the Golden Hurricane's home turf since the Eisenhower-era.


Careful what you wish for Dave.  In the post-BCS world you just may get it and it won't be to TU's advantage.

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Paul Westerhawg

I follow Dave on Twitter and he sounded like a loser fan during yesterday's game. Referring to the Hogs as the "Piglets" and the " John L's." He's had a hard-on for Arkansas for many years. Dave's a moderately talented writer who all-to-often allows his biases to drive his columns. Not surprising that he generally comes out looking like a scorned fan. He's a smarmy little prick.

 

MuskogeeHogFan

I think we should play Tulsa in Tulsa about once every 3 years as long as they willing to give us a bigger cut of the gate and overall, make it worth our while. At the same time, you know it is a thrill for their kids to get to play in a bigger stadium in front of a bigger crowd so I am not sure if Sittler's objections are because he doesn't want to drive two hours and fight traffic, or because he feels Tulsa deserves some kind of "home field advantage". Tulsa has to make more money by playing us here than they would be playing us at home. Maybe not, might be about the same.

Regardless, I wouldn't mind us giving them a home game every few years. You gotta throw a dog a bone every once in a while.
Go Hogs Go!

Mike Irwin

Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.

McKdaddy

As long as their AD's (over the past and future years) keep agreeing to come to Fay, I'm not understanding the anger of my tu clients at the UA. Take the anger to your AD.
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kingofdequeen

LOL.  the best team they've had in a while couldn't beat a dumpster fire being run by it's crazy drunk uncle. 

i believe the technical term is "carry your ass".

greasy_corner

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on November 04, 2012, 09:21:53 am
I think we should play Tulsa in Tulsa about once every 3 years as long as they willing to give us a bigger cut of the gate and overall, make it worth our while. At the same time, you know it is a thrill for their kids to get to play in a bigger stadium in front of a bigger crowd so I am not sure if Sittler's objections are because he doesn't want to drive two hours and fight traffic, or because he feels Tulsa deserves some kind of "home field advantage". Tulsa has to make more money by playing us here than they would be playing us at home. Maybe not, might be about the same.

Regardless, I wouldn't mind us giving them a home game every few years. You gotta throw a dog a bone every once in a while.

No way we ever play tulsa at tulsa. 

Hawg Balling

Quote from: kingofdequeen on November 04, 2012, 09:59:24 am
LOL.  the best team they've had in a while couldn't beat a dumpster fire being run by it's crazy drunk uncle. 

i believe the technical term is "carry your ass".

This.  Willy made a Malzahn-led offense on the winningest Tulsa team of all time look bad.  Nuff said.

dizzy_lavender

We shouldnt even be in the same league as tulsa since petrino didnt recruit well and left the cupboard bare. ...tongue in cheek.

TMc

Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 04, 2012, 09:56:21 am
Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.

Abso freaking lutely.., go play all of your games in the 20-35000 seats stadiums and have a good day.., who do they think they are?? They are lucky we are giving them money.., and we still won despite an inept coaching staff

kaiserhog

Quote from: Hawg Balling on November 04, 2012, 10:06:47 am
This.  Willy made a Malzahn-led offense on the winningest Tulsa team of all time look bad.  Nuff said.
Actually, that Malzahn-led offense put up 500 yards on us and we had to stop them on the goal line to preserve the win.  However, that was a subpar Arkansas team against one of Tulsa's best.

ncrebel

Bottom line is we have nothing to gain by playing Tulsa in Tulsa.  Both teams would lose money compared to playing the game at Razorback stadium. Tulsa is not our equal and we can easily replace them with someone else.
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NWASooner

Quote from: Paul Westerhawg on November 04, 2012, 08:36:35 am
I follow Dave on Twitter and he sounded like a loser fan during yesterday's game. Referring to the Hogs as the "Piglets" and the " John L's." He's had a hard-on for Arkansas for many years. Dave's a moderately talented writer who all-to-often allows his biases to drive his columns. Not surprising that he generally comes out looking like a scorned fan. He's a smarmy little prick.

I'd follow whoever is your avatar pic.  That's my wheelhouse.....

 

Redhogs

Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 04, 2012, 09:56:21 am
Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.
Bingo...well said.
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urkillnmesmalls

Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 04, 2012, 09:56:21 am
Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.

This is as well as it can be put. +1

If their AD and admin think it's more beneficial for them financially to pay UCA to come play them in Tulsa every season than it is to get paid to play the UA, then good riddance.  I'm not sure I understand the logic behind a move like that when you're trying to get funding to improve your program, but if they can make that work then go for it. 
I've never wanted a Hog coach to be successful more than I do for Pittman.  He's one of the good guys.

Hawg Balling

Quote from: kaiserhog on November 04, 2012, 10:46:52 am
Actually, that Malzahn-led offense put up 500 yards on us and we had to stop them on the goal line to preserve the win.  However, that was a subpar Arkansas team against one of Tulsa's best.

They scored 23 points against probably the worst Razorback defense I've ever laid eyes on.  Those 500 yards were nothing but empty calories.

budcampbellfan

When TU gets into the big 12 and builds a stadium, we can go to Tulsa.
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Quote from: 56Hog on November 04, 2012, 08:17:29 am
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/TU/article.aspx?subjectid

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. - Quick Question: When should Tulsa agree to play Arkansas in another football game in the Razorbacks' home state?

Here's a quick and logical answer, which I'll spell out for you: N.E.V.E.R.

That's right, never, ever again.

Well, at least not until Arkansas agrees to make its first trip to Tulsa since 1952. Uh, that's not a typo. The Hogs incredibly haven't played on the Golden Hurricane's home turf since the Eisenhower-era.


Careful what you wish for Dave.  In the post-BCS world you just may get it and it won't be to TU's advantage.

"Why does Rice play Texas?" - JFK in 1961 announcing his goal to land men on the moon


Someone is confused about the concept of a rent a win.


They should call Baylor, UCA, or SMU.... they'd come knock Tulsa around in front of dozens of people.
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McKdaddy

I'm about a big a critic of Sittler as I know. Too many specific examples to go into here (your welcome, ha). But generally, he's a "I told you so" after-the-fact writer, and full of pomposity.
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Lanny

Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 04, 2012, 09:56:21 am
Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.
Tulsa doesn't not dicatate to Arkansas where the games are played.  Tough it Tulsa
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twistitup

Quote from: Fatty McGee on November 04, 2012, 04:17:51 pm
OU and OSU do. Why shouldn't we? 

Those are in state schools, we are not.

We shouldn't feel any obligation to play in Tulsa...if we travel to ok it better be to Norman or Stillwater
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

Hollywood_HOGan45

They can easily be replaced with utep. I know we complain about officiating a lot but those folks think they've never had a legit loss against Arkansas. The refs always give us the calls.

The refs GAVE then three points when they called roughing the kicker on us. No one touched him!
Get over it tulsa, you are Tulane, utep to us.

 

Fayettechill14

Quote from: Paul Westerhawg on November 04, 2012, 08:36:35 am
I follow Dave on Twitter and he sounded like a loser fan during yesterday's game. Referring to the Hogs as the "Piglets" and the " John L's." He's had a hard-on for Arkansas for many years. Dave's a moderately talented writer who all-to-often allows his biases to drive his columns. Not surprising that he generally comes out looking like a scorned fan. He's a smarmy little prick.

That's the point of a column. He's an opinionated opinion writer.

Fayettechill14

Here's some observations from that article:

1. This guy feels like Tulsa has had an even leg to stand on because they've played two close games with us recently. Nevermind that our 2008 and 2012 teams are arguably the worst of the last decade, and that the 2008 and 2012 Tulsa teams are clearly the best Tulsa teams of the last decade. Any other year we destroy them.

2. It is a little ridiculous for us to have played 41 straight home games against the same team. I don't know that I've ever heard of that happening. Tulsa is a fairly-prestigious mid-major anyway. However, the time to play a road game with Tulsa may be over. Our facilities upgrades and recent taste of success mean that we are looking to upgrade to the SEC's elite, and SEC elite teams don't play anyone but big-name opponents on the road.

3. He needs to stop whining about the refs. I don't recall the holding call he mentioned, but the offensive PI was obvious. Their WR grabbed our DB on his back shoulder and pushed him down.

4. He acts like we couldn't survive without the Tulsa game. We'll pick up SMU, Rice, or Houston if we want an old Southwest rivalry with a mid-major. SMU is more likely than Tulsa to be a game that we go on the road for anyway.

twistitup

True, SMU would be a fun road game. Lower Greenville ave just a few blocks away & Dallas recruits could easily come.
How you gonna win when you ain't right within?

Here I am again mixing misery and gin....

Hogtimes

Quote from: rzrbkman on November 04, 2012, 01:45:42 pm
They remodeled their stadium just a few years ago and decreased capacity from 40,000 to the low 30,000+ seats. I watched their home game against Rice a couple of weeks ago and their home stadium was more than half empty.

Their stadium only seats 27,448 ...

Fayettechill14

Quote from: Stan on November 04, 2012, 05:13:23 pm
Their stadium only seats 27,448 ...
Quote from: twistitup on November 04, 2012, 05:12:29 pm
True, SMU would be a fun road game. Lower Greenville ave just a few blocks away & Dallas recruits could easily come.

Was thinking that the SMU-Arkansas series could be Little Rock-Dallas-Little Rock with the Dallas game in the Cotton Bowl. We could move all conference games to Fayetteville and keep an old SWC rival in Little Rock 2 of 3 years. That could satisfy both sides of the GSD and keep a pretty entertaining game.

destinflhog

UA should secretly call ASU and see if they would agree to play the hogs in Fayetteville for the next 10 years.  If ASU agrees (slim chance), call Tulsa and tell them to stick it.

Doug

Let's keep the attacks of public figureheads personal families off Hogville, please (especially since I highlighted this thread to Dave Sittler).

I should note that I actually countered his OpEd piece with one of my own... except that 90% of my stuff is driven and backed by actual facts/numbers.

Have a read: http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=509853
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Murr

Tulsa's facilities/small stadium can't generate the revenues to entice the hogs to play there. 

If they keep complaining, replace them with some other Sun Belt team.

razorbackkid

Quote from: Murr on November 04, 2012, 05:48:36 pm
Tulsa's facilities/small stadium can't generate the revenues to entice the hogs to play there. 

If they keep complaining, replace them with some other Sun Belt team.
Douglas goes into much detail in his thread of this topic.  Good info.
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Root66

Quote from: Fatty McGee on November 04, 2012, 04:17:51 pm
OU and OSU do. Why shouldn't we?

Why don't you apply for the AD job at the UofA after all these Hogville "fans" get Long fired? Then you can schedule that game in that high school stadium in Tulsa. The real reason Tulsa use to play us at Fayetteville all those years is because they realized a bigger payday than if they hosted a game in their own little league stadium...very similar to Memphis State and the crowds they have always drawn at the Liberty Bowl stadium.

OU and OSU can do whatever the hell they want. In fact since the early 1950s when we had Oklahoma A&M/State on our schedule almost every year...we only played them in Stillwater one time. They always came to Little Rock to play in a LARGER stadium before a sellout crowd. More money.

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twistitup

Quote from: Fayettechill14 on November 04, 2012, 05:17:22 pm
Was thinking that the SMU-Arkansas series could be Little Rock-Dallas-Little Rock with the Dallas game in the Cotton Bowl. We could move all conference games to Fayetteville and keep an old SWC rival in Little Rock 2 of 3 years. That could satisfy both sides of the GSD and keep a pretty entertaining game.

I like the cotton bowl, but it needs to be upgraded. Owenby is small, but not bad...at least it's not in Fair Park. The SMU campus is in a nice area, with things to do close by.
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56Hog

Quote from: twistitup on November 04, 2012, 06:13:13 pm
I like the cotton bowl, but it needs to be upgraded. Owenby is small, but not bad...at least it's not in Fair Park. The SMU campus is in a nice area, with things to do close by.


As I recall SMU moved a couple of their home games against Arkansas from the Cotton Bowl to Shreveport.

With the SW classic backon there is no reason to play SMU.

What Arkansas's new coach should do is rent Chapman Stadium (TU home field) for a fall 2013 preseason scrimage.  That would be a recruiting coup.  And they could send Mr. Sittler a free ticket.
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under_par


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Quote from: 56Hog on November 04, 2012, 06:33:49 pm
As I recall SMU moved a couple of their home games against Arkansas from the Cotton Bowl to Shreveport.

With the SW classic backon there is no reason to play SMU.

What Arkansas's new coach should do is rent Chapman Stadium (TU home field) for a fall 2013 preseason scrimage.  That would be a recruiting coup.  And they could send Mr. Sittler a free ticket.

You mean to tell me it's not Skelly Stadium anymore? What? Did some guy name Chapman give them the money to downsize the damn place?

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Fatty McGee

Quote from: twistitup on November 04, 2012, 04:43:44 pm
Those are in state schools, we are not.

We shouldn't feel any obligation to play in Tulsa...if we travel to ok it better be to Norman or Stillwater

What does them being in state have to do with it?  Seems like we would have the same reasons - big fan base there, and get lots of recruits from Tulsa area.
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Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 04, 2012, 09:56:21 am
Under the current structure of playing one home game in Little Rock and another home (every other year) game in Dallas Arkansas is limited in what it can do has far as nonconference road games.

If Jeff Long and the new coach decide to schedule a non conference road game (in the years in which the Aggies are the home team in Dallas) I suspect that team will have a stadium much larger than Tulsa's.

If TU officials don't like this and don't want to continue to come to Arkansas....

well, BYE.

Good info Mike, and Douglas as well. Points I hadn't considered.
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I hope we never play them in Tulsa just so this guy keeps crying.
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Hogtimes

Quote from: Fatty McGee on November 04, 2012, 04:17:51 pm
OU and OSU do. Why shouldn't we? 

OU and OSU do it because of political pressure.   OSU has now said they will not schedule Tulsa anymore


DeltaBoy

We let just stop playing Tulsa and get TCU or SMU back on the schedule.
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Quote from: DeltaBoy on November 05, 2012, 12:43:34 pm
We let just stop playing Tulsa and get TCU or SMU back on the schedule.
Exactly, we'd be better off with a home and home with SMU even than Tulsa.