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FootballHog

August 01, 2007, 02:42:14 am
have better recruiting offers than a 4* recruit like Matt Hall? Halls offers aren't shabby or anything, but just Louisville and FSU? Where are the other schools? And how does Shuler have offers from nearly ever powerhouse in the country?

Is this a recruiting science that I cant understand?

selfexplanatory

August 01, 2007, 02:45:09 am #1
I'd say in the case of a person like Matt Hall it is because he was comitted so early.
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Quote from: majp51 on June 02, 2010, 03:27:42 pm
Err, now I know it's easy to bash Shiloh Christian, but I'm pretty there aren't that many high schools in Arkansas that have a player picked in the 3rd round of the NFL Draft.
Or have you forgotten where Damian Williams played school?
 

JoeHog27

August 01, 2007, 07:33:21 am #2
Well i think the early commitment from him let the other schools know this is where he wants to go plus he has his senior season ahead of him so some people want to see how that goes.

Eric Cartman

August 01, 2007, 07:44:28 am #3
he wont stay a 2 star IMO
 

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ErieHog

August 01, 2007, 07:47:30 am #4
Quote from: FootballHog on August 01, 2007, 02:42:14 am
have better recruiting offers than a 4* recruit like Matt Hall? Halls offers aren't shabby or anything, but just Louisville and FSU? Where are the other schools? And how does Shuler have offers from nearly ever powerhouse in the country?

Is this a recruiting science that I cant understand?

Here's a key difference:  if Scouts or Rivals calls guys  2* recruits, and they are wrong, it may become a message board anecdote; if a coach misses on talent evaluation, they lose their jobs.    Coaches have more at risk, and therefore are keener evaluators of what will work within their systems and in terms of talent overall-- at least the ones that retain their jobs.
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ballhog88

August 01, 2007, 08:28:04 am #5
Shuler is a FB and the highest rated FB is a 3* and there is only one 3*.

arklahoman36

August 01, 2007, 08:33:11 am #6
A lot of teams also convert players from other positions to be FB, or instead use a system with an H-back instead of a true FB.

tbhogfan

August 01, 2007, 09:02:28 am #7
Really great question.  There are a couple of things at work here. 

First, Matt Hall was an early and strong commit to Arkansas.   If he was not committed, he would have more offers than he could shake a stick at.

Second, the services rate FB's with the same statistical criteria that they rate RB's.   FB's tend to be a bit slower, and don't tend to ring up as many gaudy statistics as star RB's.   Even though Shuler will make an outstanding FB or Hback in college, he is being statistically compared to the McFaddens of the world.
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Hogstocking

August 01, 2007, 09:10:39 am #8
Hall commited to Arkansas in September of 06, a year and a half before he can sign his LOI.  He would be sitting on 20+ offers right now if he were uncommited.   

TRG: Are you still getting contacted by school even though you're committed to Arkansas?

Matt: I get questionnaires from schools like LSU and Alabama and me and Coach Wilson will write committed to Arkansas or Go Hogs on the letter and send them back. Coach Markuson and Coach Nutt laugh when I tell them that
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=133004.0

Hawgvillain

August 01, 2007, 09:45:30 am #9 Last Edit: August 01, 2007, 03:55:02 pm by Hawgvillain
Quote from: Hogstocking on August 01, 2007, 09:10:39 am
Hall commited to Arkansas in September of 06, a year and a half before he can sign his LOI.  He would be sitting on 20+ offers right now if he were uncommited.   

TRG: Are you still getting contacted by school even though you're committed to Arkansas?

Matt: I get questionnaires from schools like LSU and Alabama and me and Coach Wilson will write committed to Arkansas or Go Hogs on the letter and send them back. Coach Markuson and Coach Nutt laugh when I tell them that
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=133004.0

Wow, I never realized my second favorite player (how could #1 not be McFadden) could be a high school senior.  I love this kid now!

Beaverfever

August 01, 2007, 10:10:18 am #10
Quote from: ballhog88 on August 01, 2007, 08:28:04 am
Shuler is a FB and the highest rated FB is a 3* and there is only one 3*.
That's just stupid.

Hogstocking

August 01, 2007, 10:20:39 am #11 Last Edit: August 01, 2007, 10:22:32 am by Hogstocking
Quote from: ballhog88 on August 01, 2007, 08:28:04 am
Shuler is a FB and the highest rated FB is a 3* and there is only one 3*.

There are five 3 star FBs.  The top 2 have 5.7 RR ratings.  IMO you will see Shuler on this list in the very near future when rivals comes out with new ratings.
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1822&Year=2008

Landonhog

August 01, 2007, 11:56:22 am #12
Quote from: Hogstocking on August 01, 2007, 09:10:39 am
Hall commited to Arkansas in September of 06, a year and a half before he can sign his LOI.  He would be sitting on 20+ offers right now if he were uncommited.  

TRG: Are you still getting contacted by school even though you're committed to Arkansas?

Matt: I get questionnaires from schools like LSU and Alabama and me and Coach Wilson will write committed to Arkansas or Go Hogs on the letter and send them back. Coach Markuson and Coach Nutt laugh when I tell them that
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=133004.0


That's hilarious! :razorback: 

You can throw all the recruiting junk science out the window when a talented kid commits early, and especially when it's to his home state.  All things considered, the fact that he's rated as high as he is; speaks volumes about his actual talent!
 

501Ben

August 01, 2007, 01:41:33 pm #13
They base your rating on where your position would go in the NFL draft. Fullbacks don't tend to go that high in the draft, ergo fullbacks don't get that high of rating on Rivals. Peyton Hillis however was a four star fullback, but if you watch his film from high school he was way more athletic than your average big bruising full back.
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