Why refuse a NIT bid?

[vandybuff]

I read on this board some days ago that some fans preferred to not play in the post season rather than in the NIT.  Why?
Have teams in the past refused the NIT?

' just curious.

[hogfan064]

I read on this board some days ago that some fans preferred to not play in the post season rather than in the NIT.  Why?
Have teams in the past refused the NIT?

' just curious.

We refused it 3 seasons ago which was a dumb mistake.  Refusing a bid accomplishes nothing.   If we get a NIT invite then we will likley host all the way to NYC.  Declining a NIT bid in Pel's first season wouldn't look good.

I promise you we won't decline a bid.  We no longer have an AD who goes with that backwards way of thinking.

[TNPIG]

This isn't a group of guys that are young and just need some more games to get the experience. This is a group of experienced guys that play when they feel like it and are the definition of underachievers. They need to receive their diplomas ASAP and be told buh bye!

[hogfan064]

This isn't a group of guys that are young and just need some more games to get the experience. This is a group of experienced guys that play when they feel like it and are the definition of underachievers. They need to receive their diplomas ASAP and be told buh bye!

Yeah that's a great way to sale the program to recruits in the future. 

[ErieHog]

Thankfully, this is a moot point.  This team is NCAA Tournament bound.

[hogfan064]

Thankfully, this is a moot point.  This team is NCAA Tournament bound.

Got to win 21 games.  We'll definitely beat Auburn, but if Vandy is the #3 seed in the East we'll lose our first game in Atlanta and end up in the NIT.  Let's hope UF or UK gets that #3 spot.

[ErieHog]

Got to win 21 games.  We'll definitely beat Auburn, but if Vandy is the #3 seed in the East we'll lose our first game in Atlanta and end up in the NIT.  Let's hope UF or UK gets that #3 spot.

This team will get in with 20.   

[hogfan064]

This team will get in with 20.  

Well, I hope you are right, but unfortunately I don't think you are. 

[Hollywood_HOGan45]

I read on this board some days ago that some fans preferred to not play in the post season rather than in the NIT.  Why?
Have teams in the past refused the NIT?

' just curious.

if this group doesnt make the big show then yes, you gotta turn down that NIT bid and end the misery.

they've been to the NCAAT the past two previous years and this is their last go round. So why would they even care to show up in the NIT?

[hogfan064]

if this group doesnt make the big show then yes, you gotta turn down that NIT bid and end the misery.

they've been to the NCAAT the past two previous years and this is their last go round. So why would they even care to show up in the NIT?

What program other than our program turns down the NIT?  What does it accomplish to turn down the NIT? 

[GrizzledHogFan]

This team will get in with 20.   

Well, I hope you are right, but unfortunately I don't think you are. 

Most years 20 wins probably wouldn't cut it.  This year there are so few legitimate alternatives that 20 is almost certainly enough.  That said, it would be nice to pick up a win or two in the SECT just to be safe.

[returntoglory]

didnt we decline that bid to kind of duck asu or ualr?

[vandybuff]

My only point is that if a team refused a bid (and I did not know that you refused a NIT bid some three years ago), that most likely does not make you a 'favorite' with the networks and the sponsors ... and they have long memories.
last question:  why did you refuse a post season tourney earlier?

And while I do know that you said ' ... give the players their diplomas and get them out ...' with a bit of angst, I do congratulate you for the graduation of your seniors -- and btw, who are your seniors?

[GrizzledHogFan]

... and btw, who are your seniors?

Gary Ervin, Steven Hill, Vincent Hunter, Charles Thomas, Darian Townes, and Sonny Weems.

[vandybuff]

Wow - I did not know that many were seniors.  Have all of them used all years of eligibility, or will some be able to take grad classes and play 08/09?

[Hogginitall]

Wow - I did not know that many were seniors.  Have all of them used all years of eligibility, or will some be able to take grad classes and play 08/09?

They're all gone.  Thank goodness.

[Hogginitall]

Wow - I did not know that many were seniors.  Have all of them used all years of eligibility, or will some be able to take grad classes and play 08/09?

It was a huge mistake for Heath to do what he did.  To set it up where 6 guys were graduating at the same time is unacceptable.  Hopefully, Pelphrey can get it staggered enough to where we can sign 2-3 guys each year, based on team needs, rather than wholesale changes.

[vandybuff]

Great point but really how can one avoid it.  Even if you sign on a normal pattern, you can never know who will quit, who will graduate and leave early, who will redshirt/become injured/ etc. 
Most of these guys started with the program four or even five years ago ------ a lot can happen to a teenager in five years!

[stan the man]

Because we are sick of them

[Beaverfever]

There is absolutely no reason to decline an nit bid.  Even when big schools don't make the ncaa tournament they accept nit bids.  Just because our team isn't quite an ncaa team doesn't mean we should think we're better than the nit.  I say we go to the nit and actually try to win some games. 

[vandybuff]

Beaverfever, I agree.  And I know that many years Vandy went to the NIT and I for one was proud to follow them.  As a matter of fact, it was only two or three years ago that our season ended against Memphis at Memphis in this tourney .... and looks as if Memphis has done okay since then -

[Beaverfever]

Yeah, if our seniors were to win the nit that would at least be something.  It would probably be their best accomplishment at arkansas and I know I would watch and support.

[vandybuff]

What schools declined recently?  I had no idea that a school would refuse a post season tournmant .... shows ya what I know!

[Beaverfever]

What schools declined recently?  I had no idea that a school would refuse a post season tournmant .... shows ya what I know!

We turned down the NIT like 3 or 4 years ago. 

[vandybuff]

Wow, shows you what I know.  I had no idea that this was (to some extent) common.

[Knot2brite]

Turning down a bid to play in the NIT is hazardous to a program. It sells the kids short and it tells the rest of the world that we don't want to support the program when it is down. Sorry but bad exposure is exposure all the same and by not playing the games we are saying that we don't want competition. We should never shy away from playing postseason.

[AckaBacka]

Accept the NIT bid, but don't play any seniors.  Win or lose, just get the young guys some experience.  Get Rakestraw used to playing under the lights.

[PeytonManningSUCKS]

We refused it 3 seasons ago which was a dumb mistake.  Refusing a bid accomplishes nothing.   If we get a NIT invite then we will likley host all the way to NYC.  Declining a NIT bid in Pel's first season wouldn't look good.

I promise you we won't decline a bid.  We no longer have an AD who goes with that backwards way of thinking.

That was when I stopped liking Heath.  That was a dumb move, we did have young players that could have benefited.  Maybe we don't this year, but I still say you never quit.  Play basketball until they won't let you anymore.  I just love BB season though.

If fans wanna check out, then go ahead and do it.  We'll see ya next year and pull our hair out then too.

[hogsanity]

Accept the NIT bid, but don't play any seniors.  Win or lose, just get the young guys some experience.  Get Rakestraw used to playing under the lights.

So, then who is going to play?  Britt,Washington, Welsh, Beverly, Cox, Patsasia, and Rakestraw.  What is the point of that?

[Hogginitall]

That was when I stopped liking Heath.  That was a dumb move, we did have young players that could have benefited.  Maybe we don't this year, but I still say you never quit.  Play basketball until they won't let you anymore.  I just love BB season though.

If fans wanna check out, then go ahead and do it.  We'll see ya next year and pull our hair out then too.

I'm kind of scared for Pelphrey and the players next year.  The fans are ALREADY on his ACE for how this group of underachievers has been playing.  Next year, we'll be all freshman and sophomores.  We're almost guaranteed to have a worse record next year than this year.  I can't imagine what those that are B___CHING now will say next year.  All I have to say is:  Be patient with Pelphrey!  We don't want to run a good coach out of here before he even has a chance to establish himself...

[hogsanity]

That was when I stopped liking Heath.  That was a dumb move, we did have young players that could have benefited.  Maybe we don't this year, but I still say you never quit.  Play basketball until they won't let you anymore.  I just love BB season though.

If fans wanna check out, then go ahead and do it.  We'll see ya next year and pull our hair out then too.

If they go, I will cheer for them, but I do not see what good could come from it.  6 sr's who will be going through the motions, at best.  If the team was all fr & Soph, then i wouls say it is a good idea, but I dont think so this year.

[Uncle_dad]

What schools declined recently?  I had no idea that a school would refuse a post season tournmant .... shows ya what I know!

Mizzou declined in the past dozen or so years.  I see the point of declining.  The NIT is the aspiration of teams like Missouri State.  However, I think it would be a good experience for Washington, Bev, Welsh, and Britt.  If we get the bid, take it!

[cottonhog]

If they don't care why should I

[cthog99]

if we don't make the tourney and go to the NIT, we're pretty much guaranteed to win some games. i mean, we don't lose at home.

[hogsanity]

Mizzou declined in the past dozen or so years.  I see the point of declining.  The NIT is the aspiration of teams like Missouri State.  However, I think it would be a good experience for Washington, Bev, Welsh, and Britt.  If we get the bid, take it!

Washington, Bev and Welsh have all been to the NCAAT, so the NIT is a step down.  Britt, well, he does not play much, so another home game in the nit is no big deal either.

[Uncle_dad]

Washington, Bev and Welsh have all been to the NCAAT, so the NIT is a step down.  Britt, well, he does not play much, so another home game in the nit is no big deal either.

And we all know what happened once they got there! 

[Uncle_dad]

Also, we could consider the NIT punishment for what they've put the fans through the past four years!

[jry04]

Well, I hope you are right, but unfortunately I don't think you are. 

With this resume last year we wouldn't make it. However, this year we are in with a win over Auburn. We have a better resume than almost all of the bubble teams. The bubble is very weak this year.

Win one in the SECT and against Auburn and we are a lock. Let's just hope for that to remove any doubt.

[Hot_Town_Hog]

This team will get in with 20.  

I think you can take that to the bank. All you have to do is look at the resumes of the other bubble teams. Many of them have similar overall records, but are well below .500 against the Top 50. This is a key stat, and like Bilas said last night, the Hogs have proved they CAN beat good teams, many of the other bubble teams have not. Most years I would say we are in trouble, but this year is an exception.

[wholehog92]

Why is there a thread about the NIT?

Because of the quality of play on the court.

[Hogginitall]

S. Carolina?

Only one all year.  You get the point....I hope.

[PeytonManningSUCKS]

I read on this board some days ago that some fans preferred to not play in the post season rather than in the NIT.  Why?
Have teams in the past refused the NIT?

' just curious.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=208220.0

Here you can relive all of it here so we don't have to.

[SPAL]

because we have some of the dumbest fans in the modern world....nothing left to be said.

[AckaBacka]

So, then who is going to play?  Britt,Washington, Welsh, Beverly, Cox, Patsasia, and Rakestraw.  What is the point of that?

The point?  The point is that the seniors don't seem to want to play any post season ball, especially away from BWA.  So don't make them.  The young guys will see the NIT as an opportunity to get some floor time.  I would rather play all non-seniors than to just outright reject an NIT bid.  That is a Stan Heath move.  Would the result be any uglier than the Alabama or Ole Miss game?  I doubt it.

[vandybuff]

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=208220.0

Here you can relive all of it here so we don't have to.

In the spirit of William Buckley, I love a well-turned phrase, so congrats on your line!

[hogsanity]

Only one all year.  You get the point....I hope.

That makes it even worse that we are even remotly looking at the NIT.  Win all but 1 home game and you should have 21-23 wins by now.

[Forrest city joe-1]

This isn't a group of guys that are young and just need some more games to get the experience. This is a group of experienced guys that play when they feel like it and are the definition of underachievers. They need to receive their diplomas ASAP and be told buh bye!

BINGO. this season can not get over fast enough.

[kingoftherapids]

Pel is a competitor... i dont think he will deny an invite to the NIT. He was excited to get those extra practices this summer. i just can't see him turning a bid down for post season play. we went thru how dumb of a mistake that was.

[gomer snerd]

   if you think the decision was heath's i have some prime real estate on the 18th at Augusta National for sale cheap/

[rude1]

There is absolutely no reason to decline an nit bid.  Even when big schools don't make the ncaa tournament they accept nit bids.  Just because our team isn't quite an ncaa team doesn't mean we should think we're better than the nit.  I say we go to the nit and actually try to win some games. 

I think you guys are missing what the point to turning down the bid. It's not that we think we are too good, but that there is nothing to be gained because we have a senior laden team, and the reason teams accept NIT bids is because of the opportunity to play more games to get experience for going into the next season. I agree, there is no point to playing more games with a bunch who will be gone after the season, and have underachieved for this season. Let Pel use that time to evaluate talent, to try and rebuild this ship.