Legit Question Regarding CBB

[greenEGnHAWGS]

One of the things he was very specific about when leaving a Wisconsin was that he couldn't keep his staff intact. I know this was mostly about the AD not being willing to fork over the dough, but he said coaching continuity was very important to him.

So, now here at Arkansas, we are willing to pay up with the best of them, but quite a few have moved on to other teams. Some for better jobs, some for lateral, and some were CBBs decision. But the fact is, one of CBBs main job had been to go out and find a "diamond in the rough" assistant in which I don't believe there is anyone better. He does this so well...but he has had to do this quite often.

All that to finally ask, do you think he is getting frustrated with the assistant turnover? I don't think he is wanting to leave or anything, but he is encountering the same problem that he was frustrated with at Wisconsin.

[Inhogswetrust]

Oh WOW! Why haven't we covered this breaking news question and story?! One would think we would have already discussed it. Oh wait NEVERMIND.........................................

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Oh WOW! Why haven't we covered this breaking news question and story?! One would think we would have already discussed it. Oh wait NEVERMIND.........................................

Ha ha...wow. Waita be a dick about it. I haven't had much time to do/read anything for a while. I've just been thinking about it and I scrolled down, didn't see any threats that sounded anything like it, so I just asked.

Sorry to ruffle your feathers so much.

[tophawg19]

it happens to every good team. When you play at this level , people are going to come after your coaches . i believe we are going to have to start paying a lot more to keep them . we are in the Age of million + coordinators and 500,000 assistants . the value is even higher on top recruiters . If your team is going to run with the big dogs , you have to have to spend with them or crawl under the porch

[factchecker]

Article about Coach Bielema's coaching changes with interesting quote from Coach Enos:

Coaching changes under Bielema over the last 5 years



citation: http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Chart-Bret-Bielema-continues-to-lose-assistant-coaches

Coach Bielema has had less coaching turnover then Charlie and Malzahn the past two years. However he has had 16 changes since 2011.  Coachingsearch.com notes that 10 of 16 Coach Bielema's staff changes have been for promotions; the NFL or increased job titles.



Staff changes @ Auburn under Malzahn



http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Graphic-A-look-at-the-Auburn-staff-turnover-under-Gus-Malzahn


Staff changes @ texass under Charlie



http://coachingsearch.com/article?a=Chart-A-look-at-the-Texas-staff-turnover-under-Charlie-Strong

[greenEGnHAWGS]

it happens to every good team. When you play at this level , people are going to come after your coaches . i believe we are going to have to start paying a lot more to keep them . we are in the Age of million + coordinators and 500,000 assistants . the value is even higher on top recruiters . If your team is going to run with the big dogs , you have to have to spend with them or crawl under the porch

I get that assistants will be lost and money will have to be shelled out. But we've been shelling out the money, but it just seems like we're replacing coaches much more often than other programs. Maybe I just don't see it cuz I don't follow their programs.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Thanks factchecker, some good info. I didn't realize that about Auburn and Texas.

[factchecker]

Thanks factchecker, some good info. I didn't realize that about Auburn and Texas.

No problem.  I'm happy that we are finally returning both coordinators (Enos and Smith) for the first time this coming up season.  Crazy to think that we've either had a new OC or DC every season the past 3 years.

[nwahogfan1]

One of the things he was very specific about when leaving a Wisconsin was that he couldn't keep his staff intact. I know this was mostly about the AD not being willing to fork over the dough, but he said coaching continuity was very important to him.

So, now here at Arkansas, we are willing to pay up with the best of them, but quite a few have moved on to other teams. Some for better jobs, some for lateral, and some were CBBs decision. But the fact is, one of CBBs main job had been to go out and find a "diamond in the rough" assistant in which I don't believe there is anyone better. He does this so well...but he has had to do this quite often.

All that to finally ask, do you think he is getting frustrated with the assistant turnover? I don't think he is wanting to leave or anything, but he is encountering the same problem that he was frustrated with at Wisconsin.

I think his first hires here were done in hast so he could get to recruiting and so many were not the perfect hires for him.  Now as one of those coaches leave he is not prone to offer more money to stay buy says thank you for your time here and bye.  I think his 2nd hires have been much better.  I am hoping the 3rd hires will even be better than that.

[Ironhawg]

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=609527.0

[FANONTHEHILL]

If Hogville had existed when Coach Broyles was here, we would have screamed, "the sky was falling" every year.  I'm not sure when being at the top of a coaching tree became a negative thing. Coach Bielema is making great hires as his staff evolves. The hiring of Coach Anderson to replace Pittman is a great example.  He's a great teacher, great motivator, will add even more to recruiting, and the OLine loves him.

[radar]

Most positives/negatives with head coaches are career long, although different reasons or excuses will be used from one season to the next, or at each program during the journey. For whatever reason it is happening, continual turnover of assistants is damaging to recruiting and continuity.

[10thPlanet]

Some of you guys are, well can't say it here. Not everyone sits around on Hogville all day. That would be nice if we could. Not all threads even if on the same topic have the same info, same posters. Obviously, the older post has newer info. I think some wet the bed late in life.

[SRV]

I get that assistants will be lost and money will have to be shelled out. But we've been shelling out the money, but it just seems like we're replacing coaches much more often than other programs. Maybe I just don't see it cuz I don't follow their programs.

I think it happens a lot because Coach B is very good at finding good coaches. Of the coaches that left for jobs that weren't necessarily perceived as promotions, money didn't seem to be the deciding issue.

[SRV]

Some of you guys are, well can't say it here. Not everyone sits around on Hogville all day. That would be nice if we could. Not all threads even if on the same topic have the same info, same posters. Obviously, the older post has newer info. I think some wet the bed late in life.

It definitely takes some of the fun out of hogville.

[Ironhawg]

Some of you guys are, well can't say it here. Not everyone sits around on Hogville all day. That would be nice if we could. Not all threads even if on the same topic have the same info, same posters. Obviously, the older post has newer info. I think some wet the bed late in life.

To whom is your comment directed?

[10thPlanet]

To whom is your comment directed?

Not you, but if I said you?

[Ironhawg]

Not you, but if I said you?

I would say that I posted the link to an earlier thread to try to be  helpful to the OP.  Then I would say if you don't like that feel free to stuff it.

[10thPlanet]

I would say that I posted the link to an earlier thread to try to be  helpful to the OP.  Then I would say if you don't like that feel free to stuff it.

I am glad we cleared that up. Posting links to help posters find info is the right thing to do. I don't really know why you thought I was talking about you. Informing them on how uneducated they are on a topic is being a jerk. I thought, I was going to have to meet you at Sonic in Alma. I just finished paying off the last civil judgment against me.

[Ironhawg]

I am glad we cleared that up. Posting links to help posters find info is the right thing to do. I don't really know why you thought I was talking about you. Informing them on how uneducated they are on a topic is being a jerk. I thought, I was going to have to meet you at Sonic in Alma. I just finished paying off the last civil judgment against me.

I never assume I know more than anyone about anything.  I see no problem in helping other folks if the information is readily available to me. 

[10thPlanet]

I never assume I know more than anyone about anything.  I see no problem in helping other folks if the information is readily available to me. 

Me neither, my brain is only so big. Plus, I chose a sport that got me hit in the head a lot. Iron, you've been here long enough you remember when we had those two that wanted to meet at Sonic in Alma to fight? It was pure gold of a thread. I wish I could remember the two posters, it's been a few years.

[Ironhawg]

Me neither, my brain is only so big. Plus, I chose a sport that got me hit in the head a lot. Iron, you've been here long enough you remember when we had those two that wanted to meet at Sonic in Alma to fight? It was pure gold of a thread. I wish I could remember the two posters, it's been a few years.

Oh gosh.  That would have been during the Nutt years?  I vaguely remember it, but that thread spawned so many copycats I have no hope of remembering who started that whole Alma Sonic thing!

[nchogg]

I thought, I was going to have to meet you at Sonic in Alma. I just finished paying off the last civil judgment against me.

Grow up. Your just like everyone else that is faceless behind a keyboard. Posters are hear to discuss topics and you can't take post personal. You don' tknow if ironhawg is a Mike Tyson or Peewee Herman type. But if your Sonic comment helps your ego then continue.

[ChitownHawg]

Grow up. Your just like everyone else that is faceless behind a keyboard. Posters are hear to discuss topics and you can't take post personal. You don' tknow if ironhawg is a Mike Tyson or Peewee Herman type. But if your Sonic comment helps your ego then continue.

Dude I think they are chatting in jest and not serious. 

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Majority of CBB's coaching hires have coach in the NFL or in a P5 conference prior to coaching here. I wouldn't call that under the radar.

[BoynamedWooPigSooie]

Stepping Stone U.

Much like Broyles was well regarded as preparing a coach for the next steps in a coaching career, Bielema is known as a guy that can be poached from. Be it recruits, assistants or quotes to misrepresent.

[Ironhawg]

Grow up. Your just like everyone else that is faceless behind a keyboard. Posters are hear to discuss topics and you can't take post personal. You don' tknow if ironhawg is a Mike Tyson or Peewee Herman type. But if your Sonic comment helps your ego then continue.

It's ok.  We're cool.

[nchogg]

Dude I think they are chatting in jest and not serious. 

I realized that after the post and read ironhawg response. All the Young Dudes "Mott the Hoople"

[10thPlanet]

Grow up. Your just like everyone else that is faceless behind a keyboard. Posters are hear to discuss topics and you can't take post personal. You don' tknow if ironhawg is a Mike Tyson or Peewee Herman type. But if your Sonic comment helps your ego then continue.

I am playing meanie weinie. I am not going to grow up. They have Sonics in NC?

[Inhogswetrust]

Ha ha...wow. Waita be a dick about it. I haven't had much time to do/read anything for a while. I've just been thinking about it and I scrolled down, didn't see any threats that sounded anything like it, so I just asked.

Sorry to ruffle your feathers so much.

Yet you've had enough time to post 430 times since you joined in September of last year. It has been discussed not only on here but ad naseum everywhere you hear about the Hogs........On TV, on radio, in newspapers, on other boards, on blogs, etc., etc. What rock do you live under? Did you honestly believe it had not been discussed with the things being said about it when he was hired several years ago? Come on man. Also how in the world did you miss a thread that mentioned this that was just started THREE days ago?

[Inhogswetrust]

I get that assistants will be lost and money will have to be shelled out. But we've been shelling out the money, but it just seems like we're replacing coaches much more often than other programs. Maybe I just don't see it cuz I don't follow their programs.

Then how could it seem like it to you since you admit you don't follow other programs?

[ChitownHawg]

I realized that after the post and read ironhawg response. All the Young Dudes "Mott the Hoople"

Oh well misinterpreting happens to all of us from time to time. Mine just come more frequent than others. 

[10thPlanet]

Coaches move. Part of the job. I am not really too disappointed that we lost our D back coach. It could be our talent, it could be scheme, it could be we were relying too much on a D line push. Enos would've hurt me.

[longpig]

Dude I think they are chatting in jest and not serious. 

Apparently 10th planet isn't earth.

[bphi11ips]

Yet you've had enough time to post 430 times since you joined in September of last year. It has been discussed not only on here but ad naseum everywhere you hear about the Hogs........On TV, on radio, in newspapers, on other boards, on blogs, etc., etc. What rock do you live under? Did you honestly believe it had not been discussed with the things being said about it when he was hired several years ago? Come on man. Also how in the world did you miss a thread that mentioned this that was just started THREE days ago?

The rudeness in this thread is uncalled for.  The OP didn't start a list of coaching changes.  He went to the trouble to set up his question - is Bret Bielema frustrated by the number of assistants he has had to replace at Arkansas given his stated purpose for leaving Wisconsin.  There was no criticism in the question.  No hidden agenda.

Yes, he's probably a bit frustrated, but he has to feel good about the quality of assistants he's been able to hire at Arkansas. 

See how easy that is?

[10thPlanet]

Apparently 10th planet isn't earth.

You're right my Hog brother.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Yet you've had enough time to post 430 times since you joined in September of last year. It has been discussed not only on here but ad naseum everywhere you hear about the Hogs........On TV, on radio, in newspapers, on other boards, on blogs, etc., etc. What rock do you live under? Did you honestly believe it had not been discussed with the things being said about it when he was hired several years ago? Come on man. Also how in the world did you miss a thread that mentioned this that was just started THREE days ago?

I live in Virginia. I don't get the...ummm...luxury (?) of turning on the radio and listening about the Hogs. Our going to work and talking to someone who cares about the Hogs. No. I get to come to Hogville and get to ask men who haven't taken their midol yet.

So there was a previous thread about the coaching changes...ok. my question was solely based off how CBB is handling it since that was one of the main reasons he left Wisky.

[JIHawg]

Would you rather have the alternative-that we have assistants nobody else wants?

[Inhogswetrust]

The rudeness in this thread is uncalled for.  The OP didn't start a list of coaching changes.  He went to the trouble to set up his question - is Bret Bielema frustrated by the number of assistants he has had to replace at Arkansas given his stated purpose for leaving Wisconsin.  There was no criticism in the question.  No hidden agenda.

Yes, he's probably a bit frustrated, but he has to feel good about the quality of assistants he's been able to hire at Arkansas. 

See how easy that is?

We have had some good respectable discussions between us. When you get to be a MOD our Admin here then you can call me out. Yes I admit I was rude but sometimes dumb questions that have been covered and RECENTLY still arise. Also you can be rude in threads sometimes. Don't call me out for doing it unless you yourself will not do so either. We both know you have to have a pair on here and they better be brass or steel.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

We have had some good repeatable discussions between us. Yes I admit I was rude but sometimes dumb questions that have been covered and RECENTLY still arise. Also you can be rude in threads sometimes. Don't call me out for doing it unless you yourself will not do so either.

What was my dumb question? Please answer me that. I already said, yes, there was another thread about coaching changes. All I wanted to do is ask if there was any similar frustrations that CBB has had at his previous job with us now.

Not sure why anyone's first thought of rational is to attack, but it is definitely a HV theme.

[Inhogswetrust]

I live in Virginia. I don't get the...ummm...luxury (?) of turning on the radio and listening about the Hogs. Our going to work and talking to someone who cares about the Hogs. No. I get to come to Hogville and get to ask men who haven't taken their midol yet.

So there was a previous thread about the coaching changes...ok. my question was solely based off how CBB is handling it since that was one of the main reasons he left Wisky.

No problem. That being said where in Virginia do you live? I lived in Richmond years ago and loved it. Also worked for several months in Roanoke and loved it as well.

[Inhogswetrust]

What was my dumb question? Please answer me that. I already said, yes, there was another thread about coaching changes. All I wanted to do is ask if there was any similar frustrations that CBB has had at his previous job with us now.

Not sure why anyone's first thought of rational is to attack, but it is definitely a HV theme.

IF CBB is frustrated then that is a question for him, not Hogville posters. Onkly HE knows if he is frustrated or not. Otherwise it is simply speculation. Now IF he shows or discusses any frustrations he has as he did when he left Wisconsin then his discussion is fair game.

[LZH]

I have wondered if we are paying our assistants enough. I know it is awfully easy for me to sit back and say, "well another million here and another million there should do it." But the last time I looked we are still in the bottom one third in what we pay our coordinators and position coaches.

I don't think there's any argument anymore, certainly not from me, that Bielema knows how to hire the assistants he wants. Surely money isn't going to be a factor in losing any of these guys. Does anyone have any idea how Jeff Long and company decide how much to pay our assistant coaches? And, I wonder how much input BB has in that conversation.

[ricepig]

I have wondered if we are paying our assistants enough. I know it is awfully easy for me to sit back and say, "well another million here and another million there should do it." But the last time I looked we are still in the bottom one third in what we pay our coordinators and position coaches.

I don't think there's any argument anymore, certainly not from me, that Bielema knows how to hire the assistants he wants. Surely money isn't going to be a factor in losing any of these guys. Does anyone have any idea how Jeff Long and company decide how much to pay our assistant coaches? And, I wonder how much input BB has in that conversation.

Put another 20,000 seats on RRS and sell them out, and we can move up in pay. Our SEC competitors have that advantage over us, outside of that, we compete well. Our basketball and baseball programs aren't drags on the overall budget, like some, so that helps a little.

[JIHawg]

I live in Virginia. I don't get the...ummm...luxury (?) of turning on the radio and listening about the Hogs. Our going to work and talking to someone who cares about the Hogs. No. I get to come to Hogville and get to ask men who haven't taken their midol yet.

So there was a previous thread about the coaching changes...ok. my question was solely based off how CBB is handling it since that was one of the main reasons he left Wisky.

By golly I think you have Coach Bielema on this one.  Way to go!  You just kicked Coach Bielema's ass.  Good job. 

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Huh? I don't even know how your response correlates with my post. Did I attack CBB in any way?

[greenEGnHAWGS]

No problem. That being said where in Virginia do you live? I lived in Richmond years ago and loved it. Also worked for several months in Roanoke and loved it as well.

Oh cool. I live right outside Blacksburg so this is Hokie Nation...and it's nauseating. The area is absolutely beautiful though. I love it.

[kp72204]

Stepping Stone U.

Much like Broyles was well regarded as preparing a coach for the next steps in a coaching career, Bielema is known as a guy that can be poached from. Be it recruits, assistants or quotes to misrepresent.

I concur. Stepping Stone U.
I don't think the majority of the coaches who sign on here are committed for the long run and ready to bail when the first opportunity arises. I really thought Pittman was going to be here for awhile. I understand wanting to be a head coach and progression but leaving for the same position at another school is...................

[ricepig]

I concur. Stepping Stone U.
I don't think the majority of the coaches who sign on here are committed for the long run and ready to bail when the first opportunity arises. I really thought Pittman was going to be here for awhile. I understand wanting to be a head coach and progression but leaving for the same position at another school is...................

We've had several guys stay this year, Smith, Segrest, and Enos, I don't think that's quite "ready to bail", but the game has changed, I don't think you find the Bud Foster's these days.

[reddogjcss]

We have great asst under Coach B and other teams are going to come after them. Each new hire has proven to be an upgrade and I figure this one will also.
One thing I also think is Coach B is very demanding of Asst, I mean get on band wagon and push hard or jump off! My personal thought.