UGLY scenario for Cotton and Chick-Fil-A

[thirrdegreetusker]

Let's say UGA beats LSU, and Ala moves to #1, LSU to #2....

LSU v Ala to BCSNCG
UGA to Sugar
Hogs to Cap One
SoCaro to Outback

Cotton and Chick-Fil-A potential choices:
Fla at 6-6
Vandy at 6-6
Aub at 7-5
MissSt at 6-6

[hogcard1964]

Let's say UGA beats LSU, and Ala moves to #1, LSU to #2....

LSU v Ala to BCSNCG
UGA to Sugar
Hogs to Cap One
SoCaro to Outback

Cotton and Chick-Fil-A potential choices:
Fla at 6-6
Vandy at 6-6
Aub at 7-5
MissSt at 6-6

Doesn't the Gator pick before the Chick-fil-A?

[BloodRedHog]

I thought Cotton picked before Outback

[ErieHog]

Doesn't the Gator pick before the Chick-fil-A?

No, the Gator gets the 6th pick.

[ZERO]

If Georgia beats LSU, it's part of a heavily veiled apocalyptic prophecy. But, if they did win, I don't see LSU falling to just #2 after losing to #14. Voters would jizz all over the chance to put Oklahoma State at #2 to end the rematch. Also, I'm not entirely sure I see #14 Georgia jumping us at #8.

[hogcard1964]

I thought Cotton picked before Outback

Not sure but I thought the Outback leaned toward the number 2 or 3 team from the SEC East and the Cotton did the same with the West buy also considered the East.

[HiggiePiggy]

If Georgia beats LSU, it's part of a heavily veiled apocalyptic prophecy. But, if they did win, I don't see LSU falling to just #2 after losing to #14. Voters would jizz all over the chance to put Oklahoma State at #2 to end the rematch. Also, I'm not entirely sure I see #14 Georgia jumping us at #8.

They don't have to jump us.  If they win they get an automatic bid to the sugar bowl.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Doesn't the Gator pick before the Chick-fil-A?

Perhaps. I am working from an old sheet, with Independence Bowl still on it.

[DeltaBoy]

The ability to blow this thing up still exist.

[hogcard1964]

Won't matter. If UGA upsets LSU, OK. St. will not jump Bama or LSU. Nor would Va Tech.

[thirrdegreetusker]

I thought that after CapOne, Cotton had first pick from the West, and Outback had first pick from the East. If however, one of them picks, and the other wants to cross over and grab an out-of-division team, that is permissible, but only after that initial pick.

[ErieHog]

I thought Cotton picked before Outback

Only if it takes an SEC-W team;  if the Cotton passes on a West team, it gets the #4 pick.

[hogcard1964]

Can Notre Dame still go to the Cotton?

[thirrdegreetusker]

If Georgia beats LSU, it's part of a heavily veiled apocalyptic prophecy. But, if they did win, I don't see LSU falling to just #2 after losing to #14. Voters would jizz all over the chance to put Oklahoma State at #2 to end the rematch. Also, I'm not entirely sure I see #14 Georgia jumping us at #8.

Yes, I look for the PTB to find a way to kill the rematch. An LSU loss in the SECCG could very well hand them the dagger.

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Won't matter. If UGA upsets LSU, OK. St. will not jump Bama or LSU. Nor would Va Tech.

I can't agree with this.  There's no way they give two teams that didn't win their conference a shot at the national title.  Especially if those teams are from the SAME conference.  That's just nuts. 

I'm pretty sure LSU falls to #3, and either OSU or VaTech depending if they win their conference jumps to #2.  NOW, if LSU, OSU, and VaTech all lose...

Sweet mother.  Lsu hops right back in that saddle. 

[ErieHog]

Can Notre Dame still go to the Cotton?

In theory.    In practice, an 8 win team that lost it's season ender and struggled mightily the week before to beat a putrid 4-8 Boston College really isn't going to get that much consideration.

[DEVICEHIGH]

Let's say UGA beats LSU, and Ala moves to #1, LSU to #2....

LSU v Ala to BCSNCG
UGA to Sugar

That's 3 SEC teams in a BCS bowl. If I understand it correctly, if LSU and Alabama are in the BCSNCG then the Sugar can't take a SEC team

[hogcard1964]

In theory.    In practice, an 8 win team that lost it's season ender and struggled mightily the week before to beat a putrid 4-8 Boston College really isn't going to get that much consideration.

Is Dame much worse than the number 2 or 3 teams from the Big 12?

[ErieHog]

Is Dame much worse than the number 2 or 3 teams from the Big 12?

In just about every metric imaginable, yeah.   If Notre Dame was in the Big XII, they would be the 6th highest rated team in the Big XII according to the BCS score.

[popcornhog]

If Georgia beats LSU, it's part of a heavily veiled apocalyptic prophecy. But, if they did win, I don't see LSU falling to just #2 after losing to #14. Voters would jizz all over the chance to put Oklahoma State at #2 to end the rematch. Also, I'm not entirely sure I see #14 Georgia jumping us at #8.

What?

[thirrdegreetusker]

That's 3 SEC teams in a BCS bowl. If I understand it correctly, if LSU and Alabama are in the BCSNCG then the Sugar can't take a SEC team

My understanding is that the lone exception is if the winner of a conference CG, that automatically goes to a BCS bowl, has two other conference teams are both playing in the BCSCG. Highly unlikely in most years, but I am told that is the exception.

[thirrdegreetusker]

I can't agree with this.  There's no way they give two teams that didn't win their conference a shot at the national title.  Especially if those teams are from the SAME conference.  That's just nuts. 

I agree. VERY unlikely. And it should be avoided if possible.

[popcornhog]

That's 3 SEC teams in a BCS bowl. If I understand it correctly, if LSU and Alabama are in the BCSNCG then the Sugar can't take a SEC team

One scenario allows 3 SEC teams. Arkansas has already been eliminated from contention though.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=439377.0

[popcornhog]

My understanding is that the lone exception is if the winner of a conference CG, that automatically goes to a BCS bowl, has two other conference teams are both playing in the BCSCG. Highly unlikely in most years, but I am told that is the exception.

Correct.

[BigSexyHog]

When does the Bluebonnet bowl get to pick?

[greasy_corner]

The 99 and 2001 teams went to the CB with 7 wins, so not like this is uncharted territory for them. 

[popcornhog]

The 99 and 2001 teams went to the CB with 7 wins, so not like this is uncharted territory for them.

7 wins was more back then because it was an eleven game season. They played one less cupcake in non conference.

Your point is still taken, but 7 wins then was the same as 8 now.

[hogsanity]

The 99 and 2001 teams went to the CB with 7 wins, so not like this is uncharted territory for them. 

yes but they wanted those 7 win teams to help fill up the old cotton bowl that saw the game played at 10am.  This year they want a 10 win Ar team or a 10 win GA team. 

[Hoggish1]

That's 3 SEC teams in a BCS bowl. If I understand it correctly, if LSU and Alabama are in the BCSNCG then the Sugar can't take a SEC team

I believe they can in that one and only scenario.

[popcornhog]

I believe they can in that one and only scenario.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=439377.0

[hogsanity]

I believe they can in that one and only scenario.

OH MY GOSH.  The only way is if GA wins and Bama and LSU are still in the title ga,e  2 at large teams from the same league playing in the 1v2 game and the then conf champ gets the bcs auto bid.  That is now the 4,234th time that has been posted on hogville.

[Danny J]

yes but they wanted those 7 win teams to help fill up the old cotton bowl that saw the game played at 10am.  This year they want a 10 win Ar team or a 10 win GA team.

Yep...otherwise it is NOT a good deal for not only the cotton bowl but its sponsors AND fox who have allotted prime time airtime for that game. I bet we are in the cotton.....

I think at this point it is either KSU or OSU. If OU beats OSU then it is OSU. If OSU beats OU then it is KSU. I think that is right. 

[popcornhog]

OH MY GOSH.  The only way is if GA wins and Bama and LSU are still in the title ga,e  2 at large teams from the same league playing in the 1v2 game and the then conf champ gets the bcs auto bid.  That is now the 4,234th time that has been posted on hogville.

Correct. And that's what hoggish was saying.

Fun fact. Hoggish auto corrects to bighorn on my iPhone.

[nwarazfan]

Auburn.  Easy choice.  Defending NC.  Good fan base with an alumni presence in DFW.  7 win team.  Wouldn't be a first for the Cotton Bowl and probably not the last. 

That's 3 SEC teams in a BCS bowl. If I understand it correctly, if LSU and Alabama are in the BCSNCG then the Sugar can't take a SEC team

If neither in the NC are the conference champ, then the conference champ will still go to the BCS.

[hogsanity]

Yep...otherwise it is NOT a good deal for not only the cotton bowl but its sponsors AND fox who have allotted prime time airtime for that game. I bet we are in the cotton.....

I think at this point it is either KSU or OSU. If OU beats OSU then it is OSU. If OSU beats OU then it is KSU. I think that is right. 

Tough call for the cotton on the big12-2+1/pi if OSU is not available.  A 3 loss Ou team would proabably bring more people, but not sure the league would let the cotton pass over KSU. 

[popcornhog]

Auburn.  Easy choice.  Defending NC.  Good fan base with an alumni presence in DFW.  7 win team.  Wouldn't be a first for the Cotton Bowl and probably not the last. 
If neither in the NC are the conference champ, then the conference champ will still go to the BCS.

Um not sure I follow. Are you saying Auburn to Cotton?

[Mo_Better_Hogs]

Let's say UGA beats LSU, and Ala moves to #1, LSU to #2....

LSU v Ala to BCSNCG
UGA to Sugar
Hogs to Cap One
SoCaro to Outback

Cotton and Chick-Fil-A potential choices:
Fla at 6-6
Vandy at 6-6
Aub at 7-5
MissSt at 6-6

Look at those records. More proof there are too many bowls.

[hogsanity]

Look at those records. More proof there are too many bowls.

SEC did not fill all its bowl tie ins, I think they still have 10, and are sending 3 6-6 teams as well. 

[hogcard1964]

The 99 and 2001 teams went to the CB with 7 wins, so not like this is uncharted territory for them.

Yea, they've actually chosen a lot of mediocre teams. In '07 the Hogs were 8-4 heading into that game. In 2010 an 8-4 Ole Miss team, an 8-4 Tennessee team...

[hogcard1964]

Look at those records. More proof there are too many bowls.

Yea, Illinois started out 6-0, lost their last six to finish 6-6 and still may go to a bowl.

[hogcard1964]

In just about every metric imaginable, yeah.   If Notre Dame was in the Big XII, they would be the 6th highest rated team in the Big XII according to the BCS score.

Doesn't Notre Dame have 8 wins? If so, that seems just about right for the Cotton.  Plus, I'd love to see UGA whip the turd out of them.

[hogcard1964]

Scratch that Notre Dame idea. I just read that they would bump an SEC team if they were to attend.