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Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« on: February 08, 2018, 05:09:16 pm »

HDN---------9-3
BP-----------5-7
BB-----------3-9

I'm thinking 6-6 with 4-0 in non conference and a couple of SEC wins............
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 05:19:01 pm »

Between CBP and B.B: 4-8 first year
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 05:19:50 pm »

15-0

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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 05:20:13 pm »

3-9 - 5-7

Way to early prediction. Let's see what they look like in the spring.


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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 05:21:53 pm »

7-5
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 05:26:10 pm »

I see  an 8-4 record.  There is talent on this team,  Bielema just did not have them playing as a team.   Chemistry is so important.    Plus  19 and 20 year old's adjust quickly.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 05:53:26 pm »

HDN---------9-3
BP-----------5-7
BB-----------3-9

I'm thinking 6-6 with 4-0 in non conference and a couple of SEC wins............

This is difficult to project. Bielema had 25 slots to fill in his first recruiting class. Morris had 16, maybe 2-3 more than that as it may work out eventually.

Bielema had to convert from a Petrino style offense to a Pro Style. Morris has to convert from a Pro Style to a "Clemson-like" Offense that is more similar to Petrino than Bielema.

Bielema inherited little talent that was of the kind that he needed to make his offense or defense work as he was accustomed to doing things. Morris on the other hand, inherits a much better existing talent base and depth level and it is up to him to convert it in a short time to what he wants them to do.

I think that the results of the last couple of seasons has led a lot of people to think that we have less talent on campus than we actually do. I don't expect miracles from the Morris staff, but I do think that we will achieve more than many expect.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 05:55:08 pm »

Schedule is easy next year. 6-6 while trying to build after a bad first recruiting year. (not his fault; short time window)
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 06:05:06 pm »

Right now I will have to say 6 - 6.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 06:34:24 pm »

Iím most interested in seeing how we play against inferior teams.  I donít foresee CCM struggling to beat an Eastern Illinois type program in year one.  If he does Iíll be concerned like I was when Bielema struggled to beat Samford.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2018, 06:36:26 pm »

Iím most interested in seeing how we play against inferior teams.  I donít foresee CCM struggling to beat an Eastern Illinois type program in year one.  If he does Iíll be concerned like I was when Bielema struggled to beat Samford.

Not disagreeing, just saying; remember Petrino's first two games were a 28-24 win against Western Illinois and a 28-27 win over Louisiana-Monroe.

And apart from the three subsequent games against very good teams that year, we were very competitive in all others. I really think we'll see something similar this year, which is why 5-7 won't be the end of the world.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 06:40:05 pm »

I tend to believe we are pretty good out of the box.. 8-4 .. Will be very happy with a post season bowl
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 06:42:28 pm »

I tend to believe we are pretty good out of the box.. 8-4 .. Will be very happy with a post season bowl

Might be a tad overzealous. Maybe 8-5 after a bowl win but I think 7-6
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 06:45:17 pm »

Sure, compare with other coaches.  The honest comparisons will weigh the influence a new staff has over the team in those comparisons.  Far most useful comparisons would be comparing fifth year records.  Probably the best comparison would be a comparison of a range of years from about 3 to 8 or so if the staff was around that long, just to make the sample size more meaningful.

But sure, compare away.  I mean, you can compare anything.  It just isn't always useful.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 06:51:54 pm »

Not disagreeing, just saying; remember Petrino's first two games were a 28-24 win against Western Illinois and a 28-27 win over Louisiana-Monroe.

And apart from the three subsequent games against very good teams that year, we were very competitive in all others. I really think we'll see something similar this year, which is why 5-7 won't be the end of the world.
In Petrinoís case you could see the offense coming on while the defense struggled.  With Bielema we struggled on both sides of the ball against a team not even as good as a W. IL or and E. iL.  ULM is a prettty decent program compared to the others weíve mentioned.   

I think Morrisí style (assuming we donít struggle to implement it) lends itself to beating inferior teams most of the time.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2018, 07:01:20 pm »

Sure, compare with other coaches.  The honest comparisons will weigh the influence a new staff has over the team in those comparisons.  Far most useful comparisons would be comparing fifth year records.  Probably the best comparison would be a comparison of a range of years from about 3 to 8 or so if the staff was around that long, just to make the sample size more meaningful.

But sure, compare away.  I mean, you can compare anything.  It just isn't always useful.

We all hope Morris has a year 8 to compare.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 07:43:02 pm »

I think we win 7-8.  Four out of conference cupcakes, Vandy and OM (that is 6) We have a strong chance to beat MS St, Mizz, A$M.   

Itís a weak schedule for SEC standards. 
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 08:51:03 pm »

Ask this after we see the Spring and Summer practice of the Hogs and the opponents.
To many unanswered questions to even speculate today.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 09:00:40 pm »

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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2018, 09:01:02 pm »

Anyone who has touted the Bielema homerism narrative the past couple of years has to be giddy about this season.

Roster is absolutely loaded with returning upperclassmen like we were told would be 5 years ago.

We will see what happens, truth is probably somewhere in the middle. We will see tons of improvement and win 6 or 7 regular season games would be my guess.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 09:04:58 pm »

5-7
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 10:05:05 pm »

I think we win 7-8.  Four out of conference cupcakes, Vandy and OM (that is 6) We have a strong chance to beat MS St, Mizz, A$M.   

Itís a weak schedule for SEC standards.
Bingo, somewhere between 6(floor) and 9(ceiling) with this schedule and the talent of this roster. Biggest question as always what kind of QB play do we get? Is there a difference maker out of the 5?
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 10:27:39 pm »

I predict Morris won't go 0-17 in SEC play.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2018, 10:32:13 pm »

I say 8-4.  Coach Morris has the "It" factor in my book.  This staff is creating
a new infusion into old school Hog ball.  All you naysayers chirp away!  Ha! Ha!
Ha Ha Ha !  This guy is really that good.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2018, 10:42:26 pm »

Between CBP and B.B: 4-8 first year
3-9 - 5-7

Way to early prediction. Let's see what they look like in the spring.


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Dude, we will easily win 6+ games. I bet he gets within 1 game of HDN's 9-3.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2018, 11:07:09 pm »

9-3 bc the pieces are there on offense and our D just got tons better with the Chief and new D staff.

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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 12:43:05 am »

9-3 bc the pieces are there on offense and our D just got tons better with the Chief and new D staff.

CCM wins SEC Coach of the Year.
I'll go along with this^^^^
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 01:11:09 am »

5-7

5-7 to 7-5 at best.
Gonna be a big transition.......Again
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 01:54:05 am »

HDN---------9-3
BP-----------5-7
BB-----------3-9

I'm thinking 6-6 with 4-0 in non conference and a couple of SEC wins............

When I think back to Nutt's first season, I think that Danny Ford left a lot of talent. I see Bielema as recruiting a lot of the same type of players and I'm hoping CCM will be able to utilize that talent like Nutt utilized Ford's.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 06:17:52 am »

I think we win 7-8.  Four out of conference cupcakes, Vandy and OM (that is 6) We have a strong chance to beat MS St, Mizz, A$M.   

Itís a weak schedule for SEC standards.

By what measure are Vandy and OM guaranteed wins?
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 06:34:11 am »

I call at least 6 but would'nt be suprised to see 8 or 9 with the schedule. That being said it all depends on how well the players adapt on both sides of the ball. If we score 40 but give up 41 then we are the same as last year but if the Chief changes our D then we win more than people think. If the players adapt to this O like most of them should cause most (this is an assumption) played this pace and similar style in HS picks up on CM style then we will go bowling and have a fun year and team to watch
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 06:39:02 am »

Iíll be satisfied with 6-6. I would be elated with 8-4.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 08:10:26 am »

This is difficult to project. Bielema had 25 slots to fill in his first recruiting class. Morris had 16, maybe 2-3 more than that as it may work out eventually.

Bielema had to convert from a Petrino style offense to a Pro Style. Morris has to convert from a Pro Style to a "Clemson-like" Offense that is more similar to Petrino than Bielema.

Bielema inherited little talent that was of the kind that he needed to make his offense or defense work as he was accustomed to doing things. Morris on the other hand, inherits a much better existing talent base and depth level and it is up to him to convert it in a short time to what he wants them to do.

I think that the results of the last couple of seasons has led a lot of people to think that we have less talent on campus than we actually do. I don't expect miracles from the Morris staff, but I do think that we will achieve more than many expect.

Another thing that makes it difficult to compare first year records is that the SEC, and in particular the SECW, is not the same as it was in HDN, BP and BB's first year.  For HDN in 98, the power was all in the east.  LSU and Bama were terrible.  For BP's first year, Fla and Bama were the top SEC teams, and he had both on his first year schedule, plus 2 ranked non-conference games.  In BB's first year, the  west was loaded.  6 of 7 played in the post season and 4 of those 6 finished in the top 25.

We can only speculate about the landscape of the SEC at this point, but I have a feeling that it is going to be tougher than the SEC that Nutt faced his first year, but maybe not quite as difficult as what BB faced.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 08:16:41 am »

With the schedule we got for 2018 I can see 6-6 up to 8-4 .
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 08:18:47 am »

I think a lot depends on those 13 redshirts, thay maybe the key to a "good" year.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 10:04:27 am »

If the energy and enthusiasm he's displayed thus far translates to the field, I have high expectations.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 11:19:07 am »

A 4-8 team getting a new coach, a new offense, a new defense with other big questions marks? We don't even know who the QB will be. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. 6 wins next year would be fantastic, but I'm thinking more on the 5 range with a lot of excitement going into 2019.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 11:24:56 am »

A 4-8 team getting a new coach, a new offense, a new defense with other big questions marks? We don't even know who the QB will be. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. 6 wins next year would be fantastic, but I'm thinking more on the 5 range with a lot of excitement going into 2019.

Exactly.

Pre-2017 season: This is year 5 for Bielema. Best team he's had. He's established here. These players are all his. Less than 10 wins is a bust. Go 4-8.
Pre-2018 season: New coach. New assistants. New offense. New defense. Essentially same team as last year. 8-4? Sure, no problem.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 11:28:51 am »

Schedule is easy next year. 6-6 while trying to build after a bad first recruiting year. (not his fault; short time window)
Agreed could be 7-5 but....we will lose a couple we maybe should win.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 11:59:05 am »

By what measure are Vandy and OM guaranteed wins?
They suck.  We've beat OM how many times in a row, and you will start seeing the decline due to the violations.  Attrition and poor recruiting has been the status quo over the past 2-3 years. 

Vandy has improved, but they are still Vandy.  They will be near the bottom of the weaker division.  We should beat them every year.   
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 12:15:19 pm »

They suck.  We've beat OM how many times in a row, and you will start seeing the decline due to the violations.  Attrition and poor recruiting has been the status quo over the past 2-3 years. 

Vandy has improved, but they are still Vandy.  They will be near the bottom of the weaker division.  We should beat them every year.   


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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2018, 12:21:37 pm »

9-3 bc the pieces are there on offense and our D just got tons better with the Chief and new D staff.

CCM wins SEC Coach of the Year.

If he does this and I hope he does.  Recruiting will take off like a rocket.  This staff will put in the hard work, I'm sure of that.  What they need to take this team to the next level is a really good season with a lot of media buzz.  Your prophesy above would be just the catalyst needed.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2018, 12:26:46 pm »

6-6 is the safe bet... If the QB situation turns out better than expected, then it may go up to 8-4... but in a bad QB fit to system situation (coupled with lack of experience), it may be 4-8. QB situation and ability to pass rush on defense will determine where we end up between 4-8 and 8-4.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:14 pm »

15-0

Hammerdown

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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #45 on: February 09, 2018, 01:29:12 pm »

Hogs should never win below 7 games.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #46 on: February 09, 2018, 01:56:55 pm »

Offense is probably going to score a lot of points. Defense? Who knows.
Last year, with an SMU team that had mediocre talent for even teams outside the Power 5, SMU scored plenty of points against their best opponents. In their five games against Navy, UCF, Memphis, Houston and TCU, SMU average scoring 33.4 points. Those five schools averaged giving up 25.42 points/game. So Morris showed last year his team can score against the toughest teams on their schedule (including teams that had good defenses). For example, TCU allowed 17.6 points/game. SMU scored 36 against them. Only OU and Stanford score more points against TCU. The stories of SMU against Navy and Memphis were similar.
So with a fair amount of talent on the Hill and a dynamic offense, we should win all four non-conference games and beat Vanderbilt or Missouri. That leaves losses to Auburn, A&M, Alabama, LSU and Mississippi State. I'm going to say we beat Ole Miss at home since they didn't look great last year and lost Patterson. So that appears to leave us at 6-6, which would be OK for a first-year coach.
Now, if the offensive line play improves a little and with a little luck ... 
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2018, 02:00:34 pm »

non-conference, the Mississippis, Mizzou and Vandy......8-4
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2018, 02:01:45 pm »

Iím drinking to this! +1!

Realistically though, I'm gonna go with 6-6 +/-1 game.... I'd just like to see some competitiveness out of our team this year.
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Re: Chad Morris first year W-L will be compared to other coaches
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2018, 02:09:33 pm »

9-3 bc the pieces are there on offense and our D just got tons better with the Chief and new D staff.

CCM wins SEC Coach of the Year.

I like the way you think.
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