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13 redshirts
« on: February 08, 2018, 09:51:37 am »

We redshirted 13 freshman last season. Isn't that a higher than usual number? Who in the group has the most potential to contribute next season? I know Montaric Brown would be one.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2018, 10:11:14 am »

Koilan Jackson. Maleek Barkley and Maleek Williams. 
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 10:25:25 am »

Koilan Jackson. Maleek Barkley and Maleek Williams. 

I'm going with David Porter as the darkhorse. You don't think Brown, or were you saying in addition to Brown?
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 10:47:55 am »

Shane Clenin
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 11:01:10 am »

Of course Hyatt could end up being starting QB
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 11:12:55 am »

We're in much better shape than most think. IF this staff can coach as good as I think they will, it's gonna be a good year.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 11:19:33 am »

We're in much better shape than most think. IF this staff can coach as good as I think they will, it's gonna be a good year.

So some of the recruiting that BB was doing is going to pay off for the new coach?
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 12:19:42 pm »

Did Giovanni LaFrance (LB), end up being a RS Freshman, after his injury last year? I don't remember. He may be a Sophomore.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2018, 12:23:29 pm »

Of course Hyatt could end up being starting QB
This is going to be a fun QB race.!!
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2018, 12:23:40 pm »

Were the 13 all freshmen? Because occasionally a player will redshirt later. Either way, this is a great question. And an important one.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2018, 01:02:12 pm »

So some of the recruiting that BB was doing is going to pay off for the new coach?
I think Bret recruited fairly well. Someone posted his rankings were as good or better than Petrino or Nutt. It was just his stubbornness to play said recruits over upperclassmen and walk ons that led to his demise (and Kurt Anderson we all know.)
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 02:32:11 pm »

I think Bret recruited fairly well. Someone posted his rankings were as good or better than Petrino or Nutt. It was just his stubbornness to play said recruits over upperclassmen and walk ons that led to his demise (and Kurt Anderson we all know.)

Bielema had a lot of faults, but recruiting wasn't one of them.  There is a lot of talent on campus right now.  There was enough last year to be more competitive than 4-8.  There is enough there right now to be competitive from the start of the Chad Morris era. Whether we have a coach who can put all that together remains to be seen, but there is more talent than you would expect from a team coming off of a 4-8 season
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 02:46:00 pm »

Bielema was alright at recruiting.  His problem was putting all the pieces together into a coherent whole.  Morris walked into good, solid talent.  Not depth, but lots of talent sprinkled throughout the roster.  Morris just needs to put all the pieces on the table and build the best machine he can from what he has then work to improve the parts as he goes.  There is enough talent on hand to win 7 or 8 games right now.  Heck, there is enough to win 9 if we got hot.  There isn't enough to beat the three teams on the schedule that have us at huge talent disparity, but Morris will have a few years to work on that.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2018, 02:46:03 pm »

I think Bret recruited fairly well. Someone posted his rankings were as good or better than Petrino or Nutt. It was just his stubbornness to play said recruits over upperclassmen and walk ons that led to his demise (and Kurt Anderson we all know.)

In my opinion, history will show that BB's biggest problem was trying to rebuild twice.  You only get one shot to build toward sustainability.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 04:21:47 pm »

We redshirted 13 freshman last season. Isn't that a higher than usual number? Who in the group has the most potential to contribute next season? I know Montaric Brown would be one.

It seems like a high number considering how bad Arkansas was, and how bad some of the seniors were, with a coach in his fifth year. I can see it early on, redshirting even more as you build to the fourth and fifth years.
I thought it was interesting that Alabama was noted for playing as many freshmen this year as anyone in the country. Little redshirting there.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2018, 04:26:08 pm »

It seems like a high number considering how bad Arkansas was, and how bad some of the seniors were, with a coach in his fifth year. I can see it early on, redshirting even more as you build to the fourth and fifth years.
I thought it was interesting that Alabama was noted for playing as many freshmen this year as anyone in the country. Little redshirting there.

That's because their good Jr's declare for the draft, so they also are needing guys to step up. That, and they come in ready to play......
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2018, 04:34:10 pm »

Speaking of redshirts, ricepig, your karma is approaching OTR status.

Hmmm........
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2018, 04:43:20 pm »

So some of the recruiting that BB was doing is going to pay off for the new coach?
Well, remember, they WERE "close". That's what BB kept saying. Seriously, I imagine that he was right in as much as that there is some talent on the team. I'm hoping we find out that one thing Beilema had working decently was recruiting, that he had built some depth, but I'm no kind of expert.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2018, 04:46:30 pm »

The skill positions have some good depth.  Jackson would have helped this past season.  Bielema's downfall was the oline recruiting which made no sense.  Build the lines first especially when you are a coach who wants the oline to be the face of the program.  Maybe the new blocking schemes can help us offensively till we get depth and veteran coach can get our def front through till more depth is built. 
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2018, 04:49:32 pm »

Shane Clenin
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/2941733/57c43684842eb21f909236ed

 I'd like to see what he can do against our d-line. In the film above I saw him double team two d-linemen. If they had been more than 280 lbs combined weight I would say he took on a double team. ;)
 The guy is mean enough for sure. Man! I wish we could see practice tape highlights too...
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2018, 05:00:42 pm »

Montaric Brown, Kolian Jackson, Maleek Williams, David Porter, and Jordan Curtis.

All 5 of those have serious NFL potential if they decide to live up to it.
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« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2018, 05:03:01 pm »

Montaric Brown, Kolian Jackson, Maleek Williams, David Porter, and Jordan Curtis.

All 5 of those have serious NFL potential if they decide to live up to it.
That's a natural fact... I can't wait to see what these coaches can do with Chevin Calloway too.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2018, 06:57:29 pm »

It seems like a high number considering how bad Arkansas was, and how bad some of the seniors were, with a coach in his fifth year. I can see it early on, redshirting even more as you build to the fourth and fifth years.
I thought it was interesting that Alabama was noted for playing as many freshmen this year as anyone in the country. Little redshirting there.
I think CBB was mimicking what he was taught by Alvarez but didn’t have the foundation built like Alverez’s program. 
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2018, 09:50:03 pm »

Speaking of redshirts, ricepig, your karma is approaching OTR status.

Hmmm........

I gave him +1 in spite of myself.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2018, 07:40:52 am »

Speaking of redshirts, ricepig, your karma is approaching OTR status.

Hmmm........

Is that good, or bad, I've never heard of this "OTR" fellow....
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2018, 08:59:48 am »

With 13 red shirts you could argue that the current recruiting class has 29, not 16 players, because that is how many will be on campus that have never played a down of college football.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2018, 09:08:32 am »

Is that good, or bad, I've never heard of this "OTR" fellow....

It's neither good nor bad, but it sure answers a lot of questions Skandar.  I mean Pillowhead.  I mean Rudy. ...
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2018, 09:38:43 am »

So some of the recruiting that BB was doing is going to pay off for the new coach?
UmmmmErrrrrrUhhhhh YEA
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2018, 09:57:21 am »

Speaking of redshirts, ricepig, your karma is approaching OTR status.

Hmmm........

 Yep.. I +1'd him hoping to give him some zen... Then I'm gonna crap on it by dragging him into another GSD. LOL..! ;)
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2018, 10:25:29 am »

The skill positions have some good depth.  Jackson would have helped this past season.  Bielema's downfall was the oline recruiting which made no sense.  Build the lines first especially when you are a coach who wants the oline to be the face of the program.  Maybe the new blocking schemes can help us offensively till we get depth and veteran coach can get our def front through till more depth is built.

I agree, but think there's more to it than meets the eye.  I think Bielema did realize the importance of recruiting for the OL, but just struggled to bring in the level of player needed.  He got off to a good start with Skipper and Kirkland, then discovered that level of lineman was required for his offense in the SEC, unlike at Wisconsin.  He was on his way toward building depth with that type of quality, when Pittman threw a wrench in the plan, by leaving for Georgia.  After that, he never recovered and struggled to get linemen of that quality, which also hurt the defense by keeping them on the field longer.

If Pittman hadn't left, I think the last 2 years may have been much different for Arkansas.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2018, 10:54:49 am »

In my opinion our overall talent is not bad and not good.  Just a tweak below average to do much in the SEC.  We should handle the OOC schedule and get 2 or 3 wins in the SEC.  The problem is actually:  1.  A new staff, 2.  a new scheme on both O and D., 3.  Difficult conference,  4,  Totally, mentally disabled team.

I just learned that we may have 29 players who haven't been totally ruined by the previous staff.  That folks, could be a blessing.  Maybe those players won't have to be unlearned the horseshit and gunpowder routine and then relearn the new scheme.  A hard working staff that truly has the team in mind will go a long way in the unlearn and relearn requirements.  How long that takes will reflect in the won/loss column.  Going to Colorado State, will we be just a group of individuals out there playing a pickup game or will we be a team????  The answer to that may be the difference in winning or losing.  Morris says it best.  You players provide the want to and the staff will provide the how to.  If those two things happen, this team will surprise folks.  Just a little slip from that or just 2 or 3 injuries and we will be unpleasantly surprised.  Those few on here that proclaim this is a 4 win max team for next season will prove their genius.  Get the want to and how to flowing and throw in a little luck like no major injuries, everyone buys in, coaches keep up the work ethic, and this team COULD win 7 regular season.  I expect a 6-6 season.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2018, 08:11:09 pm »

Bielema had a lot of faults, but recruiting wasn't one of them.  There is a lot of talent on campus right now.  There was enough last year to be more competitive than 4-8.  There is enough there right now to be competitive from the start of the Chad Morris era. Whether we have a coach who can put all that together remains to be seen, but there is more talent than you would expect from a team coming off of a 4-8 season

Good post!
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #32 on: February 09, 2018, 11:56:26 pm »

Yo... I got a feeling next year is gonna be gud.!!
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #33 on: February 10, 2018, 12:05:00 am »

To the man's credit, Coach B didn't leave the cupboard bare. Look for the new staff to come in and develop a really good group of talented young players.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #34 on: February 10, 2018, 03:41:52 am »

So some of the recruiting that BB was doing is going to pay off for the new coach?
Been saying all along, this is a Danny Ford turning it over to HDN type of situation.  There is a lot of talent on this roster.  Likely the most talent inherited since Ford handed off to HDN.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2018, 09:28:57 pm »

We will see!
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2018, 09:51:01 pm »

With 13 red shirts you could argue that the current recruiting class has 29, not 16 players, because that is how many will be on campus that have never played a down of college football.
Interesting way of looking at it. Kinda like the old cracker jack box-a surprise in each one.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2018, 10:16:54 pm »

Speaking of redshirts, ricepig, your karma is approaching OTR status.

Hmmm........

Now that you mention it- has anyone ever seen both Rice and OTR in a room at the same time??
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2018, 10:24:12 pm »

To the man's credit, Coach B didn't leave the cupboard bare. Look for the new staff to come in and develop a really good group of talented young players.

No, they didn't leave us bare, or seem to use what they had well.  It looked like there was a lot of talent standing on the sidelines.  I can't wait to see what this new bunch does with our current crop of TEs.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2018, 10:42:47 pm »

Now that you mention it- has anyone ever seen both Rice and OTR in a room at the same time??

Only skandar and Rudy
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2018, 10:58:56 pm »

Been saying all along, this is a Danny Ford turning it over to HDN type of situation.  There is a lot of talent on this roster.  Likely the most talent inherited since Ford handed off to HDN.
The Hogs won't start the season 8-0 like HDN did in his first year. But neither are we helpless like most people on the Alabama,errgh,  SEC Network believes, either. Mr. Put it in the left lane and hammer down is going to be pleasantly surprised the second week into Spring practice. He's going to find a team that would have run his SMU Mustangs off the field.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2018, 08:24:24 am »

The fact that Morris said we would have a split offensive and defensive recruiting class, then went out and signed 10 defensive players, should tell you all you need to know about talent on campus.

He obviously thinks the offensive talent is closer than the defensive after reviewing our current players.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2018, 10:59:38 am »

I've stated on here a few times that I don't think we have a very good roster.  At least not upper half SEC quality.  Some disagree with that vociferously with that position.  Question.  What 3 position groups would any of you say is a strength for this team coming into 2018?
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2018, 11:07:16 am »

I've stated on here a few times that I don't think we have a very good roster.  At least not upper half SEC quality.  Some disagree with that vociferously with that position.  Question.  What 3 position groups would any of you say is a strength for this team coming into 2018?

DBs-Pulley, Calloway, Curl, Brown, Ramirez plus the freshmen and some other guys I forget
QB-3 4 star guys on campus
RB
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2018, 11:10:09 am »

DBs-Pulley, Calloway, Curl, Brown, Ramirez plus the freshmen and some other guys I forget
QB-3 4 star guys on campus
RB
I would agree with the DB's.  Not a bad group.  As for the rest of the defense, DL group, and LB group, are they strengths, weaknesses, neutral?
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2018, 11:12:11 am »

I've stated on here a few times that I don't think we have a very good roster.  At least not upper half SEC quality.  Some disagree with that vociferously with that position.  Question.  What 3 position groups would any of you say is a strength for this team coming into 2018?

Switching styles like we are, no one knows.  However, we have as much talent on the roster as we have had during a coaching change since join the SEC based off of kids here with offers from other top schools. 

I personally think we have some young and very skilled talent at the following positions, TE, WR, RB, DB (CB and Safety).  I firmly believe we still have some good talent for the Oline as well, they just need a coach (which appears we took a major step up now), Wallace, Gibson, and Fro all should be in the starting lineup come August in my opinion.  Look at what is sitting behind them, Clenin (appears to have major upside), clary got some starting reps but really needs weight room, and you still have Jackson and Wagner.  We will be really thin, but there is still some talent there. 

I'm leaving the jury out on the defense,  but no way they go back.  there is some talent there that has been majorly misused (Ramsey, agim, smith, Harris, etc).   
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2018, 11:12:28 am »

I've stated on here a few times that I don't think we have a very good roster.  At least not upper half SEC quality.  Some disagree with that vociferously with that position.  Question.  What 3 position groups would any of you say is a strength for this team coming into 2018?
After last season that would be a laughable question to answer.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2018, 11:20:32 am »

Switching styles like we are, no one knows.  However, we have as much talent on the roster as we have had during a coaching change since join the SEC based off of kids here with offers from other top schools. 

I personally think we have some young and very skilled talent at the following positions, TE, WR, RB, DB (CB and Safety).  I firmly believe we still have some good talent for the Oline as well, they just need a coach (which appears we took a major step up now), Wallace, Gibson, and Fro all should be in the starting lineup come August in my opinion.  Look at what is sitting behind them, Clenin (appears to have major upside), clary got some starting reps but really needs weight room, and you still have Jackson and Wagner.  We will be really thin, but there is still some talent there. 

I'm leaving the jury out on the defense,  but no way they go back.  there is some talent there that has been majorly misused (Ramsey, agim, smith, Harris, etc).   

With Agim and now Gerald, you could potentially have two elite DE's on defense.  Have to find some serviceable interior d lineman, which we should have.  Depth could be the biggest issue with the d line but it does have the potential to be really good.
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2018, 11:22:25 am »

I've stated on here a few times that I don't think we have a very good roster.  At least not upper half SEC quality.  Some disagree with that vociferously with that position.  Question.  What 3 position groups would any of you say is a strength for this team coming into 2018?
RB's
DB's now that a few guys who were starting that shouldn't have graduated
LB-Greenlaw, Harris all we need is one guy to step up
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Re: 13 redshirts
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2018, 11:47:41 am »

RB's
DB's now that a few guys who were starting that shouldn't have graduated
LB-Greenlaw, Harris all we need is one guy to step up
You have identified LB as a strength, even though you can't name who the 3rd guy should be, and you certainly can't say that we have any quality depth at this position.
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