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I always wondered if Arkansas would have beaten Tennessee, the chances of a Title run would have been great. Of course i didn't factor in playing Miss St and if that was a win, a rematch with Tennessee in the SEC title game. If Stoerner never fumbles, do you think Arkansas would have at least had a good shot at a national title in 1998?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 04:46:29 pm »

Still would’ve had to beat Tennessee a second time, which would’ve been tough.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 04:47:57 pm »

Still would’ve had to beat Tennessee a second time, which would’ve been tough.
, and Florida State. AND that Mississippi State game more than likely.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 05:00:59 pm »

I always wondered if Arkansas would have beaten Tennessee, the chances of a Title run would have been great. Of course i didn't factor in playing Miss St and if that was a win, a rematch with Tennessee in the SEC title game. If Stoerner never fumbles, do you think Arkansas would have at least had a good shot at a national title in 1998?

Nope....lost to MSU and then Michigan. Think it's pretty safe to say the magic would have ran out at the SECCG. I could be wrong but pretty certain I'm not!
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 05:03:45 pm »

Nutt would have found a way to foul it up somehow.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 05:05:06 pm »

If Stoerner never has his foot stepped on, would he have fumbled?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 05:06:21 pm »

If Stoerner never has his foot stepped on, would he have fumbled?

Exactly - everyone always blames Stoerner alone for that.
It was just a freak play.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2018, 05:08:35 pm »

We'll never know, ever.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2018, 05:08:46 pm »

I doubt we would have won the title but we would have beaten MSU since, in essence, the factors that caused us to lose (such as the suspended kicker) would never have happened.  I think we would have either lost the Tennessee rematch or lost the national title game. 
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018, 05:12:12 pm »

Who was our head coach........No

We lost the very next week to Mississippi State.

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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018, 05:18:29 pm »

The title should read - If Joe Dean Davenport catches the tight end screen, does Arkansas win the National Title? 

Perfect play call that would have sealed the game and the fumble never happens.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018, 05:20:18 pm »

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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 05:21:37 pm »

The title should read - If Joe Dean Davenport catches the tight end screen, does Arkansas win the National Title? 

Perfect play call that would have sealed the game and the fumble never happens.

This.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 05:24:55 pm »

If Stoerner never has his foot stepped on, would he have fumbled?

No...Burlsworth got blown up on the play and to Stoerner's credit..he always takes the high road about the fumble..
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2018, 05:49:15 pm »

No.

Arkansas would have still found a way to blow it.

That's what Arkansas does best.

Get to the edge of greatness, and then blow it.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2018, 05:52:51 pm »

None of that was Stoener's fault.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2018, 05:59:08 pm »

I sure would have liked to have found out the answer to OP's questions.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2018, 06:14:42 pm »

If fish doesn't fumble in end zone, do we win sec?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2018, 06:44:36 pm »

If you touch the ball to the ground isn’t it a dead ball at that point?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2018, 06:53:31 pm »

Wasn't Clint's fault, it was a broken play. Ball just happened to come loose. We had a good season though. Looking forward to the future.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2018, 07:06:38 pm »

Nutt would have found a way to foul it up somehow.

He did.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2018, 07:13:45 pm »

If you touch the ball to the ground isn’t it a dead ball at that point?

No.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2018, 07:14:48 pm »

If fish doesn't fumble in end zone, do we win sec?

Probably not.  Nutt was still coaching that night.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2018, 07:25:49 pm »

For sure

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If Stoerner never fumbles and we win NC....Nutt still here?
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2018, 07:27:31 pm »

Just say no fumble...we win NC - Would HDN still be here?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2018, 08:20:14 pm »

I am ashamed of the fit I threw at the end of that game.  My wife left the house to get away from it.  Before she left I told her I had waited almost 30 years, since the '69 Big Shootout, for another chance at a national championship...and that I would be dead before it happened again.

I was almost proven wrong in 2011.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2018, 08:20:27 pm »

Exactly - everyone always blames Stoerner alone for that.
It was just a freak play.

The Tenner defender made a great move bull-rushing Burlsworth into the backfield. You have to give credit where it's due...and yes - the rest was just a typical "Arkansas is snake-bit" freakish kind play.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2018, 09:02:36 pm »

Beating FSU would have been almost easy, beating Tenner again not so much.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 09:08:16 pm »

The Tenner defender made a great move bull-rushing Burlsworth into the backfield. You have to give credit where it's due...and yes - the rest was just a typical "Arkansas is snake-bit" freakish kind play.
You're exactly correct.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2018, 09:11:58 pm »

Who was our head coach........No

We lost the very next week to Mississippi State.



Yeah, because of the way we lost that game.  I can still remember how sick everyone was for the whole week.  Had we won that game, we would have gone to the SEC Championship game undefeated and most likely lost, so no, I don't think we would have won a NC, but we would have ended the season 13-1.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #30 on: February 03, 2018, 10:02:38 pm »

Just say no fumble...we win NC - Would HDN still be here?

With a title ring Nebraska would have paid the necessary $$$ to get him.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2018, 11:16:26 pm »

no

MSU would have got us the next week or Tenn would have waxed us in the SEC title game..or both
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2018, 07:46:03 am »

We beat Tenner and there is no way we lose to MSU the next week. You can’t discount momentum. Now, do we win the rematch with Tenner in the CG? Don’t know. But if we did we would have won the title ... no doubt in my mind. It was going to be us or Tenner.   They got it.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2018, 07:47:39 am »

We beat Tenner and there is no way we lose to MSU the next week. You can’t discount momentum. Now, do we win the rematch with Tenner in the CG? Don’t know. But if we did we would have won the title ... no doubt in my mind. It was going to be us or Tenner.   They got it.

Say it was us...we win the rematch.

What happens to Hootie after that - would he still be coach or AD?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2018, 07:56:01 am »

I have always felt like the MSU loss was largely from the hangover from the heartbreaker at Tenner.  And the kicker, Lattorete (sp?) being suspended after a DUI, who knows maybe he doesn't drink and drive if we win.  We beat MSU if he is active.  Anyway, I'm just saying, I think the MSU game is very different if we beat The Vols.  Who knows after that.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2018, 02:13:41 pm »

Will never know. Hate Tenner. Just like if Randy Peshel drops the squirrel pass from slick street. Do we win NC in 69? :puke:
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2018, 02:16:52 pm »

Exactly - everyone always blames Stoerner alone for that.
It was just a freak play.
it was 100% on HOUSTON DALE NUTT< playcaller. A rollout naked ??!! WHY??
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2018, 02:18:28 pm »

The title should read - If Joe Dean Davenport catches the tight end screen, does Arkansas win the National Title? 

Perfect play call that would have sealed the game and the fumble never happens.
he called that paly, brotha. Unfortunately, he also called a QB naked rollout when he should have ran the damn ball.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2018, 04:10:52 pm »

If Atwater holds on to that interception...

If we don’t let UCLA get out to such a big lead...

If refs didn’t screw us in (insert year here, ‘69 for starters).....

If we could’ve beaten LSU in ‘06....

UofA.  University of Almost.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2018, 04:11:33 pm »

Still would’ve had to beat Tennessee a second time, which would’ve been tough.

Uh, no, they would have had to beat us twice, which would have been tougher.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2018, 04:19:15 pm »

If fish doesn't fumble in end zone, do we win sec?

100%
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #41 on: February 04, 2018, 05:34:00 pm »

Exactly - everyone always blames Stoerner alone for that.
It was just a freak play.

It was like the definition of Razorback Football in one play
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2018, 05:36:43 pm »

Where would Houston be?
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2018, 05:39:23 pm »

Where would Houston be?

Right where he currently is. Regardless of where he might have climbed to in 99 (after a win), the same HDN that drove us & Ole Miss into the ground would have surfaced eventually.

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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2018, 05:39:30 pm »

Where would Houston be?

He'd be loved by 75% of the state and probably have his ass parked up in the AD office, no matter how bad he did after that. Hell there'd probably be a statue.

I just threw up in my mouth a little
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2018, 06:57:28 pm »

Houston was never going to win any type of championship.  Regardless of Stoerner or Fish.

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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2018, 11:58:28 pm »

We beat Tenner and there is no way we lose to MSU the next week. You can’t discount momentum. Now, do we win the rematch with Tenner in the CG? Don’t know. But if we did we would have won the title ... no doubt in my mind. It was going to be us or Tenner.   They got it.

That Tennessee loss was so emotionally devastating because of the notoriety of the game, and our story up to that point. And because of the freak fumble.

However, what most forget is how costly the Miss State loss was. THAT was the one that ended any title hopes. That loss kept us from the rematch with Tennessee. Instead, Miss State won the West.

As mentioned here, there probably IS something to the momentum point…did we not recover enough from the disappointing loss in Knoxville?* If we hang on and beat the Vols, do we keep rolling all the way to the SEC Championship game? But that's not how it went. Miss State was a decent team, but they had 2 SEC losses (one to LSU). They went to Atlanta because of their head-to-head win over us.

*And many people here know the uncanny, almost supernatural, Nutt stat—in his time at Arkansas, he ALWAYS lost the game immediately after our first SEC loss. It started THIS year, his first year.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2018, 01:28:55 am »

I’ll say yeah. Just because it’s hypothetical.
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2018, 01:53:47 am »

Blah blah blah. What could have been if only!!!!  Blah blah blah
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Re: If Stoerner never fumbles, does Arkansas win the National Title?
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2018, 03:39:34 am »

Blah blah blah. What could have been if only!!!!  Blah blah blah

Yeah! God forbid people come to a message board and talk about things!
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