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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #100 on: February 01, 2018, 09:10:44 am »

A hell of a lot of money to make a failed attempt to hire Gus Malzahn and then settle for a coach that has never been to a bowl game and has a losing record.

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #101 on: February 01, 2018, 09:11:27 am »

Don't know what happened behind the scenes, maybe Long was the architect for the buyout or maybe he just went along with it.  Regardless, a responsible CEO should have balked at such a hefty buyout for a mediocre coach, at least until such coach had proven his worth as demonstrated  by the football team's above average performance for a couple of years.

IMO, Long accomplished major initiatives in facilities improvement in the athletic department, but missed the boat in public relations, and gets at best an average mark for many of his personnel hires, especially coaches.  Was surprised that he was fired, but glad that he is gone.   
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2018, 09:14:48 am »

Don't know what happened behind the scenes, maybe Long was the architect for the buyout or maybe he just went along with it.  Regardless, a responsible CEO should have balked at such a hefty buyout for a mediocre coach, at least until such coach had proven his worth as demonstrated  by the football team's above average performance for a couple of years.

IMO, Long accomplished major initiatives in facilities improvement in the athletic department, but missed the boat in public relations, and gets at best an average mark for many of his personnel hires, especially coaches.  Was surprised that he was fired, but glad that he is gone.   

While everyone was excited about the landmark victories of the Bielema Era (the back to back shutouts and the bowl win over Texas)...this shouldn't have been anywhere NEAR enough grounds to give this coach such an insurmountable figure of a buyout...much less an extension. It is way more ludicrous than the one they just gave Mike Anderson, which is only kind of ludicrous.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #103 on: February 01, 2018, 09:42:44 am »

No it's not.  Are you honestly claiming this clown (Long) didn't know of his buyout?

It was negotiated through the foundation without his knowledge?
Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2018, 09:53:49 am »

Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.

No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2018, 09:56:41 am »

No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards

Can't argue with this
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #106 on: February 01, 2018, 09:59:15 am »

No way that any of the others you listed were involved. It was handled by Long,and Long alone. Just ask Hogcards

Fun fact: The contract was signed when Long lost a fiddle competition to a UGA fan.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #107 on: February 01, 2018, 10:03:37 am »

Fun fact: The contract was signed when Long lost a fiddle competition to a UGA fan.

"Jeffie Went Down to Georgia," the not-so-anticipated new single from the new HogCards album, "Tinfoil Hat Blues."
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #108 on: February 01, 2018, 11:35:35 am »




Still failing to see definitive proof where Long was "the main conspirator." Without editing the Wikipedia page that you linked, can you show me where I'm missing the language that says he was "the main conspirator?"

You're pretty bad at backing up an argument. You should try not doing that anymore.

What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #109 on: February 01, 2018, 11:37:16 am »

What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Of course he knew.  As did the BOT and Varady at the foundation.  And probably everybody else at the foundation.  This buyout is no different than most every contract buyout provision in P5 football.  Especially if you are hiring a p5 coach to move to another p5 school.  Which rarely happens.

You are bad at reading.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2018, 11:39:14 am »

You are bad at reading.

So he (Long) knew of Bielema's buyout, but he couldn't prevent it?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2018, 11:39:36 am »

What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Not one person has said that!

You claimed he was the only one responsible for the contract(Not the Foundation, the BOT, or anyone else), which was the reason for the argument.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2018, 11:41:28 am »

Not one person has said that!

You claimed he was the only one responsible for the contract(Not the Foundation, the BOT, or anyone else), which was the reason for the argument.

Who has the final say so in that contract?

...and no I said he was main person involved.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2018, 11:43:58 am »

So he (Long) knew of Bielema's buyout, but he couldn't prevent it?

Yes, he (Long) knew of his (Bielema) buyout, but he (Long) was not the "main conspirator." As discussed, quite a few people (BoT, Foundation) had to sign off on the decision to give him (Bielema) a contract extension.

Insinuating he (Long) acted maliciously and intentionally detrimental to the university by giving him (Bielema) a contract extension is ridiculous.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2018, 11:44:17 am »

What was he (Long) responsible for while he was here?

Are you insinuating he wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout?

Being an antagonist isn't your strong suit. I legitimately never insinuated Long wasn't aware of the amount of the buyout. Of course he was aware of it. What a ridiculous statement to make.

You never said Long was merely aware. You said he was "the main conspirator."

You also clearly don't understand how markets work. Extreme buyouts and contract extensions are the norm now. Not saying they should be, but that's the way the world is. Matthew Stafford was the highest paid player in the NFL last year. 0-3 career record in the playoffs. Derek Carr was something like the 3rd highest paid. His huge extension came after just 3 years in the league and an 0-1 career playoff record.

Learn to look at things outside of Arkansas.

If you think that's exclusive to Arkansas, Bielema, and Long, then I can't help you. Well, no one can. But you get my point. Or maybe you don't.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2018, 11:56:16 am »

Yes, he (Long) knew of his (Bielema) buyout, but he (Long) was not the "main conspirator." As discussed, quite a few people (BoT, Foundation) had to sign off on the decision to give him (Bielema) a contract extension.

Insinuating he (Long) acted maliciously and intentionally detrimental to the university by giving him (Bielema) a contract extension is ridiculous.

You can run cover for him until you're blue in the face, it doesn't conceal the fact that Long essentially handed the moron a brand new contract that included this insane buyout after a mediocre 2015 season.  ...after he failed miserable in 2013 and 2014.

One person had the final say not to do that-Long.  He failed to step up. And if it wasn't malicious as you claim, it was certainly shortsided and senseless.  The BOT didn't do this behind his back.

However, in the wake of the news that Long may have actually wanted to keep Bielema past this season, I tend to believe it was done more intentionally, than Long simply not understating his job.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2018, 12:00:42 pm »

You can run cover for him until you're blue in the face, it doesn't conceal the fact that Long essentially handed the moron a brand new contract that included this insane buyout after a mediocre 2015 season.  ...after he failed miserable in 2013 and 2014.

One person had the final say not to do that-Long.  He failed to step up. And if it wasn't malicious as you claim, it was certainly shortsided and senseless.  The BOT didn't do this behind his back.

However, in the wake of the news that Long may have actually wanted to keep Bielema past this season, I tend to believe it was done more intentionally, than Long simply not understating his job.

You are a miserable person. I'm not going to entertain your ridiculous arguments any longer. Have a nice life.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2018, 12:03:10 pm »

You are a miserable person. I'm not going to entertain your ridiculous arguments any longer. Have a nice life.

Take care kid.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #118 on: February 01, 2018, 12:32:09 pm »

I said it at the time it was given, “Dumbest contract ever". You have a football coach under contract who is 10-15 with 2-14 in conference. On what planet does that signal you need to lock this guy down and give him a buyout that inhibits our ability  to fire him? A gross misuse of the programs assets that allowed a star struck AD out to show he could hire his own football coach, give an undeserving football coach a contract raise, extension with hefty buyout on the University's behalf and becacuse of JL national popularity, nobody would give a disenting voice to his insane proposal.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2018, 12:45:50 pm »

I said it at the time it was given, “Dumbest contract ever". You have a football coach under contract who is 10-15 with 2-14 in conference. On what planet does that signal you need to lock this guy down and give him a buyout that inhibits our ability  to fire him? A gross misuse of the programs assets that allowed a star struck AD out to show he could hire his own football coach, give an undeserving football coach a contract raise, extension with hefty buyout on the University's behalf and becacuse of JL national popularity, nobody would give a disenting voice to his insane proposal.

Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #120 on: February 01, 2018, 12:49:35 pm »

Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.

You guys are so cute.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #121 on: February 01, 2018, 12:52:30 pm »

Yep,

This is why folks need to direct their angst more toward Long than Bielema.  You can't blame him for getting the most money he could.   Bielema and his agent did a great job.  Long and the Razorback Foundation...no.

He's either completely incompetent or deliberately unprincipled.  It's one or the other.

Do you still direct angst towards the guy or girl who broke up with you in high school or now that he or she is gone from your life you just move along?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #122 on: February 01, 2018, 12:55:24 pm »

That's a lot of Titos

So does this mean the University recoups through higher ticket prices?  Dang you BB!!!!  Lol
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2018, 12:56:19 pm »

Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #124 on: February 01, 2018, 01:02:21 pm »

Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.

Some of you make it sound like Long was a lone wolf, operating without the approval and support of the board and foundation.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2018, 01:02:25 pm »

Some of you make it sound like Long was just a bystander in the contract extension process.

All people have to do is realize Long is no longer with the UofA and that says it all.  Long was as guilty as BB was for taking the d@!* contract.  Of course BB is  now sitting pretty and smiling I'm sure.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2018, 01:04:16 pm »

Some of you make it sound like Long was a lone wolf, operating without the approval and support of the board and foundation.

No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2018, 01:05:09 pm »

No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.

Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2018, 01:06:49 pm »

All people have to do is realize Long is no longer with the UofA and that says it all.  Long was as guilty as BB was for taking the d@!* contract.  Of course BB is  now sitting pretty and smiling I'm sure.

It was a bad contract. A lot of people smarter and more successful than me and I'd reckon you made a bad decision. Long is gone, in part, becasue of that contract. Get over it.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2018, 01:09:52 pm »

Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?


Because carpetbagger yankee
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2018, 01:10:18 pm »


Because carpetbagger yankee

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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2018, 01:10:51 pm »


Because carpetbagger yankee

150 years later and we still ain't learnt nuthin'  >:(
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #132 on: February 01, 2018, 01:13:40 pm »

It was a bad contract. A lot of people smarter and more successful than me and I'd reckon you made a bad decision. Long is gone, in part, becasue of that contract. Get over it.

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« Reply #133 on: February 01, 2018, 01:18:40 pm »

Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?

I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around. 
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #134 on: February 01, 2018, 01:24:28 pm »

I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

What if it was merely the fact that Long was not willing to fire Bielema? Potentially the BOT gave him an ultimatum "Bielema is getting fired, either you do it or you are both gone"?

Also, what if it could have been Long was just the scapegoat for a contract that multiple parties were involved with but didn't want to take responsibility?



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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #135 on: February 01, 2018, 01:25:02 pm »

I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

He is gone so maybe lighten up? Just a thought.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #136 on: February 01, 2018, 01:34:13 pm »

I don't.  But if Long wasn't the one mainly responsible then I hope that BOT member who wrote it is gone as well.  I just know if Long wasn't guilty or didn't play a huge hand in it he would still be around.

Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #137 on: February 01, 2018, 01:34:32 pm »

No, but the rubber stampers don't see the heat quite like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process.

You clearly have zero understanding of how contracts work if you think Long wrote Bielema's contract, or had the rubber stamp for it.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #138 on: February 01, 2018, 01:36:18 pm »

Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

Bret? That you?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2018, 01:36:56 pm »

Link that Jeff Long wrote the contract or initiated the process? How do you know a Board member or RF member didn't initiate it?

Why do you think it's a matter of who "initiated the contract"?  Isn't the issue the finalized contract/buyout?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #140 on: February 01, 2018, 01:41:15 pm »

Why do you think it's a matter of who "initiated the contract"?  Isn't the issue the finalized contract/buyout?

Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #141 on: February 01, 2018, 01:50:07 pm »

Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.

No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #142 on: February 01, 2018, 01:52:56 pm »

You clearly have zero understanding of how contracts work if you think Long wrote Bielema's contract, or had the rubber stamp for it.

Proven fact: Jeff Long is a writer/attorney in his spare time. He took time off from writing children's books about barnyard animals to write a 75 page contract by himself. Submitted it for approval, to himself. Approved it, by himself. Rubber stamped it, all alone. And gave it to Bielema and his attorneys to sign, all in one night.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #143 on: February 01, 2018, 01:53:18 pm »

Read. It's good for you. OkieBack literally said "like the guy who wrote the contract, or at least initiated the process." That's why I responded to him the way I did.

And sure, there's a chance Long did have the final say. I'm not disputing that. But I don't know for sure, so I'm not gonna state it as fact.

But if you don't realize how many channels that contract would have to go through before it got to him for the final say, then nothing on God's green earth can help you.

Much has been made of who initiated it, was the prime mover, or who holds the most responsibility.

Just what is the normal process? Who initiates it? What channels does it go through? Who comes up with the figures? I know attorneys write the contracts, but they are given the parameters by the involved parties. Who, besides the coach and his agent, comes up with those numbers?
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #144 on: February 01, 2018, 01:55:09 pm »

No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.

I have no idea what happened, who initiated it, who it went through, how it went down, who had the final say.

Conventional wisdom would say that it went through several people and not just Jeff Long. So many on here seem to think that he was the sole actor in the whole debacle. I do not believe that is the case. If the BOT, the RF, and other PTB in the administration gave Long that much autonomy, then it's as much their fault as it is his.

Again, I have no idea what happened. But I also don't make statements and claim they are facts when I have no proof or substantial evidence to back it up. So much angst is with Long and Long alone, and my problem with that is those people seem to think he was the lone wolf. That's laughable, in my opinion.

The bottom line is this: It's over with. Long and Bielema are gone. Time to move on with our lives and quit griping about people who have no affiliation with the University of Arkansas.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #145 on: February 01, 2018, 01:55:39 pm »

No, I understand the lengthy process and the channels that are involved for contract approval.  AD's though are there for a reason and get paid for a reason.  I guess I would ask you if you are the expert, if Long didn't hold the bulk of the responsibility for putting that contract/buyout on the table for BB, then are you implying he was some type of scapegoat for others behind the scene?  Educate me.

It's certainly possible. Maybe he wouldn't fire Bielema and that coupled with the contract was his ending. We'll never know.

Why are you all worked up about a guy that is gone?  You signing his and Bret's checks?
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« Reply #146 on: February 01, 2018, 01:55:57 pm »

It will be interesting to see if Bielema includes those NFL offers he claimed to have already received in the report that he is required to submit to the Foundation every six months.

I don't remember reading them as official "offers". To me an offer is when you are told the job is yours and we are sending a contract to you to be signed. I believe it was discussions or inquiries. Could be wrong though.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #147 on: February 01, 2018, 01:59:32 pm »

Jeff Long wrote that contract himself. How do I know this? Because he is also my attorney.

Maybe you're kidding but I don't know of him being an attorney. I do know for a fact the Chairmen of the RF Board is an attorney and a great guy. I doubt ANY AD at any large college "writes" the contracts. They have other people for that.
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #148 on: February 01, 2018, 02:01:47 pm »

Maybe you're kidding but I don't know of him being an attorney. I do know for a fact the Chairmen of the RF Board is an attorney and a great guy.

No way someone other than Long would have been involved. Especially one with a legal background(something that might be helpful when writing contracts)
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Re: Buyout set at $11.935m
« Reply #149 on: February 01, 2018, 02:05:06 pm »

It's certainly possible. Maybe he wouldn't fire Bielema and that coupled with the contract was his ending. We'll never know.

Why are you all worked up about a guy that is gone?  You signing his and Bret's checks?

I'll buy that.  I'm not really worked up so much as to better my understanding of Long's role.  I get Long had help getting that contract in place for BB.  But it does irk me that $11.935M is being paid to a coach who was mediocre at best.  But like its been said.  They are both gone.  Time to move on.
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