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Conjecture
« on: January 30, 2018, 04:00:35 pm »

(This thread may be moved to trash.  If it is, that won't hurt my feelings.  The subject matter is seriously presented here)

What REAL changes in both offensive and defensive developments do you anticipate for implementation next fall?  I'm not talking about formations and general themes; I'm talking about actual play sets and individual player positional changes, priorities and goals.

Compared to what our offensive and defensive employments have looked like over the course of the past five years, what major - and minor - emphasis developments do you expect to see come next September?

How much overall difficulty do you anticipate on the part of the current player roster - and adding in the incoming freshmen - to adapt and develop a commendably high degree of competency in execution of the new offensive and defensive schemes?

How different will our "game day" overall profile look come next September?  Especially for those of you who are knowledgeable about football schematics at the SEC level, what is your best prognosis guesstimate regarding the probable profile of Arkansas Razorbacks football  in this first season of our new era?
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 04:03:22 pm »

I don’t think the sec is ready to defend a spread offense. 
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 04:03:40 pm »

People on Hogville think Morris runs Air Raid, Morris needs a mobile quarterback, and New England doesn't run the ball.  I don't think you're gonna run into too many who can diagram a play.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 04:06:48 pm »

I think you're going to see a much more athletic OL.  Guys that can reliably get to the second/third level consistently.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 04:09:31 pm »

People on Hogville think Morris runs Air Raid, Morris needs a mobile quarterback, and New England doesn't run the ball.  I don't think you're gonna run into too many who can diagram a play.

😂. No argument from me.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 04:25:19 pm »

Speed...lots of it
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 04:33:38 pm »

Dang son most of  folks can’t even find the remote. Is there going to be a test on this?
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2018, 04:37:22 pm »

Speed...lots of it

I'm 100% in agreement in regard to Coach Morris's emphasis on "speed".  The burning question at this time may be, "Where do we currently stand on the issue of individual and team speed, and how do you foresee new freshmen additions reflecting this new recruiting priority"?

Will we have more speed this next fall, - - or will we still be "chasing speed"?
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 04:40:36 pm »

I think you're going to see a much more athletic OL.  Guys that can reliably get to the second/third level consistently.

One that can run a screen? I hope so!
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 06:34:59 pm »

(This thread may be moved to trash.  If it is, that won't hurt my feelings.  The subject matter is seriously presented here)

What REAL changes in both offensive and defensive developments do you anticipate for implementation next fall?  I'm not talking about formations and general themes; I'm talking about actual play sets and individual player positional changes, priorities and goals.

Compared to what our offensive and defensive employments have looked like over the course of the past five years, what major - and minor - emphasis developments do you expect to see come next September?

How much overall difficulty do you anticipate on the part of the current player roster - and adding in the incoming freshmen - to adapt and develop a commendably high degree of competency in execution of the new offensive and defensive schemes?

How different will our "game day" overall profile look come next September?  Especially for those of you who are knowledgeable about football schematics at the SEC level, what is your best prognosis guesstimate regarding the probable profile of Arkansas Razorbacks football  in this first season of our new era?

That elicits responses that are forced to be chock full of speculation, since none of us are a part of the staff. One could study what Morris did at Clemson and that which he schemed at SMU and you might be pretty close by landing in the middle with a slightly stronger lean towards Clemson, if only because I think that in most positions it is probably safe to say that we have better overall talent than that of SMU. Beyond that, pure speculation on our part.

I would assume that an Offensive strategy will be formed after an evaluation of the players that are going to be available to them and how they might be molded into what Morris wants them to be. You have to understand the hand that you have been dealt (or inherited) and what you can do with them. Their capabilities in a different style of Offense as well as their limitations. Only then will you see a strategy formed that helps this Offensive staff put this team in the best possible position to have success on the field. And what it looks like this year will probably (and should) look far different now than it will in 3 years.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 06:47:27 pm »

I think we will look a lot like Auburn offensively. Lots of short passing game and zone read.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 06:55:11 pm »

Agreed, we will look more like Auburn and much less like the power run of last year. Much more motion, multiple sets and more passing. Defense will be more aggressive under Coach Chavis going after the QB. Its going to take time for Coach Morris and company to install the whole offensive package due to personnel, but we should see a large improvement.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 06:57:51 pm »

Spring practice is going to be key in getting this team back on the right track.  There will be a pretty heavy learning curve but those that pick it up fast will be the cream of the crop.  It will take the team a while to learn the new schemes both on offense and defense.  Don't expect anything special to happen in the first two or three games but after that it will be exciting to watch it develop.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 07:01:34 pm »

I believe the Hogs will be; the 2 minute offense on steroids. Wins & losses will be determined by turnovers, assuming our offense is efficient at moving the chains.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2018, 07:04:19 pm »

Its my opinion that Morris and staff will review the film on the players we now have and try and project them onto the field in some formation they eventually believe these players best fit.  If he and we are lucky, that projection could look like what he really wants to do long term and I believe thats operate very much like Malzahn operates with a very good dual threat QB.

I do not believe we have the personnel to go right to that Malzahn scheme so I expect to see some of that anyway mixed with lots of formations that put folks in motion on most every play.  The entire plan is to get our few best on their few worst and pray for the best.  It really doesn't matter what you call the formation just find a way to force their worst defenders to defend our best players.  That could be a straight T formation and run QB sneaks all night long, I really don't know. 

What i do not believe you will see Morris do is run plays that fail time after time just because he like those plays and wants them to work.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 07:14:12 pm »

I don't know a single Player for Arkansas. But I believe some Folks misunderstand exactly what Morris wants and how they will run the Offense. At SMU he had a very gifted, mobile & athletic QB.  The second season he tore his ACL in the first half of the first game. This forced him to go with a redshirt Freshman that was less mobile. CM will prefer a Dual Threat QB. The QB will have to make good decisions and have a great Arm. This is where SMU/Hicks excelled! He will give up some running ability, For decisions and Arm. He will want a Tightend that can block & catch. He didn't have that at SMU. Hogs will run more than they Pass. Probably 55/60% run & 40% Pass. Large amount of the time out of 1 back set regardless of run or pass. Will be some form of Wildcat/Hogrun involved from time to time.  CM will want to run 80/85 offensive plays a game. Regardless of what the first play is, usually the second play is already scripted with No Huddle. May not rush the play, but wont Huddle keeping the D from Substitution. He will take some Deep Shots from time to time. Also he will emphasize the last 4 minutes of First Half AND the first 4 minutes of the second half. CM believes this Time period is huge in momentum swings. Ya`ll will have to figure out what Players match and who may not. Sorry, but not sure what will happen on the D side.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2018, 07:21:36 pm »

Spring practice is going to be key in getting this team back on the right track.  There will be a pretty heavy learning curve but those that pick it up fast will be the cream of the crop.  It will take the team a while to learn the new schemes both on offense and defense.  Don't expect anything special to happen in the first two or three games but after that it will be exciting to watch it develop.

The transition could be quicker than we think right now. Remember that most of these kids on offense came from a somewhat similar style of offense and had to re-learn to run a Pro style offense. This could be like a refresher for them rather than a full, new learning curve. We will see but I hope this is more of a homecoming for most of them rather than having to learn something entirely new.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2018, 07:21:41 pm »

People on Hogville think Morris runs Air Raid, Morris needs a mobile quarterback, and New England doesn't run the ball.  I don't think you're gonna run into too many who can diagram a play.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2018, 07:22:24 pm »

Speed...lots of it

There is much more to speed that just 4.3 40s
Quickness often beats pure speed.
Quickness in performing your assigned duty, both on offence and defence.
More often than not, that first step determines who wins and who loses.

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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2018, 07:22:49 pm »

^^ and elusiveness.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2018, 07:41:46 pm »

Fair question, and the most obvious answer to me "quicker." The ball will get out of the hand of the QB much quicker. The development of a play will be accelerated. I don't know that speed - pace of play - will be hugely different than "normal" (not the slow-down and grind approach, but not a "hurry up").
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2018, 09:02:40 am »

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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2018, 09:04:11 am »

For those that think that Coach Morriss runs Malzahn's offense, stop. He doesn't.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2018, 09:36:27 am »

If a person hasn't watched the (5) video's on the Arkansas Razorback website of in the film room with Chad Morris then they should.  It gives some good insight into what Morris plans to install at Arkansas.  It's my belief we have the talent on the team to build the core of what he wants here.  Muskogee is right that most of the kids on the team likely have run offenses similar to this one and it will be those who can pick up the playbook quickest who will find the most playing time.  For me, I see the key to be the quarterback position, since Morris main focus is to read keys that show a mismatch and attack them.  The Q.B. who picks up on the finer details of reading opposing defenses will likely get the head nod.  Certainly they will need to be able to throw the ball and it will be nice if they are very mobile, but it all centers around exploiting those mismatches and allowing the play makers to make plays.

We have a lot of talented guys who can run the ball.  The TE position is flush with talent.  I will be interested to see if Stepp is as good a Receiver coach as I hear he is.  We've got some talented receivers and if he can take them to the next level with their route running and pass catching then that will be a fun group to watch.

Morris is supposed to be really good at building an offense around the talent he has.  It will be real interesting to see what he draws up that no one is expecting to see.

Defensively, I just don't see how we can go anywhere but forward with Chavis.  If we can be 40-50th in the country then it will be a 100% improvement.  The one thing about Chavis that I like most is I know we will finally be bringing pressure.  I don't see us making a freshman quarterback look like a Heisman contender under Chavis as we have seen in the past.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2018, 11:00:33 am »

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/10/5782566/clemson-offense-chad-morris

I'm sure this has been posted but this is a basic explanation of the base play structure/sequence that Coach Morris is going to run.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2018, 11:11:00 am »

No inside knowledge, but my guesses:

1) The OL will have sider splits and not have to hold blocks for as long due to plays not taking as long to develop.
2) The QB won't hold onto the ball as long, due to quicker developing plays and quicker WR routes.
3) Less bunched up formations. 
4) The defense in general will blitz more regularly. 
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 11:13:56 am »

I'm 100% in agreement in regard to Coach Morris's emphasis on "speed".  The burning question at this time may be, "Where do we currently stand on the issue of individual and team speed, and how do you foresee new freshmen additions reflecting this new recruiting priority"?

Will we have more speed this next fall, - - or will we still be "chasing speed"?

Look at the 2010 team it had SPEED!
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 11:16:53 am »

My $.02

O-Line: Wider splits, built more on speed (straight-ahead power blocking was something we lacked but kept trying to do), and creating a pass-first look to the blocking in line with typical spread offenses

QB's: Quicker everything... footwork, release, and route reads

RB's: Main change will be operating from a different distance and removing the I-set from the offense

TE's: Lining up more often at H-back, shorter routes, different blocking scheme

WR's: More in the route tree, heavier focus on route running, quicker time from snap to catch

DL: 4 down linemen base with some 3-down mixed in at times depending on opponent, multiple line shifts with various fronts

LB's: 4-3 base and a heavier focus on pressuring the backfield, multiple fronts, change of terminology and read focuses

DB's: More pressure and less 10-yard cushions, heavier hand-fighting with WR at LOS to delay routes, focus will be more on disruption (which may lead to more big plays being allowed at times)

Special Teams: ???
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 11:20:05 am »

People on Hogville think Morris runs Air Raid, Morris needs a mobile quarterback, and New England doesn't run the ball.  I don't think you're gonna run into too many who can diagram a play.
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 11:28:50 am »

Speed...lots of it

America is all about speed.  Hot, nasty, badarse speed."
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2018, 11:32:26 am »

No inside knowledge, but my guesses:

4) The defense in general will blitz more regularly.

So my question is...do we have the corners to be able to allow us to blitz regularly?  I like Chavis philosophy and scheme, however I just wonder how much we will be able to do considering he did not recruit our current roster.  How much of it will be what he wants to run full on and how much of it will be a quasi-defense that 1st has to be able to stop the opposition?  I can't help but think Chavis is going to have to fit his system around our players until he gets in what he wants recruiting-wise for a couple years.
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2018, 03:10:10 pm »

This implementation is going to open the quarterback up to be a complete runner. Spread the defense...coming with 4, gaps become larger.  Teams that have to come with 3, the gap is going to be even more, leaving the ability to gain yards as a quarterback with the Hogs.  If we have a mobile quarterback and a really good back on the field...look out.  It's gonna be fun to watch. 

If we get our defense straight where the back can go man, it's going to allow the defense to attack instead of trying to defend.  That is where Arkansas failed on Offense the last several years with CBB....we allowed the defense to attack with the scheme that we had.  Gotta keep them guessing or it will be easy to stop.  I think the offense and defensive changes Arkansas is after is exactly where we need to be.  Utilize the players we can get to the best of the team's ability instead of trying to make a team what it is not.
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 03:14:30 pm »

People on Hogville think Morris runs Air Raid, Morris needs a mobile quarterback, and New England doesn't run the ball.  I don't think you're gonna run into too many who can diagram a play.

Morris isn't using the Watson name for his health...its because he wants that type of quarterback that can do it when you need it.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2018, 03:21:42 pm »

Morris isn't using the Watson name for his health...its because he wants that type of quarterback that can do it when you need it.

We have been over this, but since you seem to have forgotten see below to which you never answered:

Does a dual threat quarterback who is actively used in an option scheme usually have a season stat line of 54 carries for 47 yards?

Arkansas' quarterbacks had 90 carries last year. I don't recall us running a ton of read option.  Please explain what I'm missing.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2018, 03:23:22 pm »

If you can't feasibly understand how the spread works, there is nothing to explain as to why you would want a mobile quarterback in this scenario.
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2018, 03:25:38 pm »

If you can't feasibly understand how the spread works, there is nothing to explain as to why you would want a mobile quarterback in this scenario.

What version of the spread does Morris run?
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2018, 03:27:20 pm »

If you can't feasibly understand how the spread works, there is nothing to explain as to why you would want a mobile quarterback in this scenario.

You don't need a mobile quarterback to run a spread offense.  Morris does not require a mobile quarterback in his offense. There are stats above that indicate as such.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2018, 03:30:23 pm »

This implementation is going to open the quarterback up to be a complete runner. Spread the defense...coming with 4, gaps become larger.  Teams that have to come with 3, the gap is going to be even more, leaving the ability to gain yards as a quarterback with the Hogs.  If we have a mobile quarterback and a really good back on the field...look out.  It's gonna be fun to watch. 

If we get our defense straight where the back can go man, it's going to allow the defense to attack instead of trying to defend.  That is where Arkansas failed on Offense the last several years with CBB....we allowed the defense to attack with the scheme that we had. Gotta keep them guessing or it will be easy to stop.  I think the offense and defensive changes Arkansas is after is exactly where we need to be.  Utilize the players we can get to the best of the team's ability instead of trying to make a team what it is not.

That's probably a pretty good call.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2018, 04:22:10 pm »

I think you're going to see a much more athletic OL.  Guys that can reliably get to the second/third level consistently.

I prefer they get to the top level.......................
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2018, 04:24:12 pm »

You don't need a mobile quarterback to run a spread offense.  Morris does not require a mobile quarterback in his offense. There are stats above that indicate as such.

I think Bama and old barn probably have a better shot with Mobile QB's since it's located in Alabama.
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2018, 04:26:00 pm »

What version of the spread does Morris run?

Parkay. But some seem to think it closely resembles the I Can't Believe it's Butter spread.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2018, 04:41:16 pm »

Watch this.. Clemson's 2014 spring game. You get one mobile QB in Chad Kelly and one pro style in Cole Stoudt... I would inbed the video, but with it being 2 hours I thought y'all may want to pull it up on a different page and continue to peruse Hogville... Oh, watch the pregame too. It explains how Desuan Watson got injured in pre season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLuMz3WWA2o
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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2018, 06:12:06 pm »

I believe Morris knows that we do not have the player talent at the line positions to run what Clemson runs.  I believe he knows that his best chance for wins here will be with trying to get his few best on the oppositions few worst.  You can call the scheme whatevcer you wish but what I said above is what will be the goal.  In addition, I believe Morris would appreciate a really good dual threat QB because that gives him one more option on every offensive play.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2018, 06:21:32 pm »

I'm 100% in agreement in regard to Coach Morris's emphasis on "speed".  The burning question at this time may be, "Where do we currently stand on the issue of individual and team speed, and how do you foresee new freshmen additions reflecting this new recruiting priority"?

Will we have more speed this next fall, - - or will we still be "chasing speed"?

The biggest question is how does speed fair against  speed AND size!
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2018, 07:01:21 pm »

I believe Morris knows that we do not have the player talent at the line positions to run what Clemson runs.  I believe he knows that his best chance for wins here will be with trying to get his few best on the oppositions few worst.  You can call the scheme whatevcer you wish but what I said above is what will be the goal.  In addition, I believe Morris would appreciate a really good dual threat QB because that gives him one more option on every offensive play.

That option can be very very helpful on 3rd and long situations.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2018, 07:08:36 pm »

Best thread I’ve read in a long time
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2018, 07:09:57 pm »

I believe Morris knows that we do not have the player talent at the line positions to run what Clemson runs.  I believe he knows that his best chance for wins here will be with trying to get his few best on the oppositions few worst.  You can call the scheme whatevcer you wish but what I said above is what will be the goal.  In addition, I believe Morris would appreciate a really good dual threat QB because that gives him one more option on every offensive play.

Sounds like a better approach than trying than to force a square peg in a round hole, ala Bielema.  His refusal to adjust to the players he actually had (as opposed to the players he wanted) was one of his biggest weaknesses.  Heck, even if we had Bama talent, I'm not sure it would have worked since his systems were so antiquated and easy to defend.
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2018, 07:16:40 pm »

That option can be very very helpful on 3rd and long situations.

You inherently have more playcall options with a running qb. Third and long is the situation least affected by those additional options. It helps the most on third and short. Look at what the Panthers run in third and short situations.
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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2018, 08:25:13 pm »

I remember BP's first year.  We stunk, but we had enough bright spots that you could tell that we were on the right track...just didn't have the players.  That's seriously all I'm asking for.  I think one of the primary differences is, we actually have more talent at WR and RB than what BP inherited.  I want to THINK we have an O-line that should be better, but after last year's debacle, I'm in complete "wait and see" mode regarding that.  Talent wise, while I think we're a long way from the SEC's elite programs right now, I do think there's more than what BP inherited, and more in terms of players needed for their style than what BB inherited.  That's a positive.   

From an offensive scheme perspective, I think it will be centered more on getting players in space, and trying to create running lanes with formations.  That will only work if we're effecting at establishing the threat of "quick hitting" passing plays.  Unlike Malzahn's offenses, having a true "running" QB isn't required, but someone closer to a dual threat that can run a little will give us another dimension.  I don't see him foregoing a solid accurate passing QB for one that is a better runner...no way.

I think we will run an offense that will be much more about fast passing plays that function as runs...3,4, 5 yards, and make the defense cover the entire field, and try to wear them down to open up the run.  Occasional deep ball once we catch them "creeping up" on the LOS. 

Defensively...there's no secret there, because we've seen what Chavis wants to do.  I know, I know...he says in his radio interviews that he will adapt to the players we have and that he knows better than to try to force a square peg in a round hole, but I don't believe that for one second.  He's going to do what he always does...a pressure oriented defense that will blitz from every position and angle, and force the QB to make fast decisions.  A lot of man on the outside, but I could see us mixing that up if our corners aren't able to cover effectively, by adding a second safety in some instances.  I don't believe for one second that he's going to play bend but don't break.  We may break a lot, but he's going to at least try to dictate.   

But ya know...there's an art to blitzing and actually TACKLING the QB.  In years' past, we have had blitzers who get to the front porch, but don't make it in the front door to actually GET HOME.  It takes some talent to actually force the QB's hand, and be able to make the tackle.  We'll see if we have a few folks on the team that can actually be effective doing it.

If there is one thing that I'm sure of....it's that we will NOT line up in the I formation on 2nd and 1, and the subsequent 3rd and 3, and try to PROVE anything.  I've seen some bad things at UA football, but that was perhaps the most frustrating thing I've ever seen to watch the opponent stack 11 in the box, and us line up to try to run over them.  Perplexing....and I'm being kind.       

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Re: Conjecture
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2018, 11:08:51 pm »

For Morris to be successful against the power teams he is going to have to build solid two and maybe three deep with little drop off of in each unit. Our players will have to maintain intensity or maybe increase the speed and intensity in the third and fourth quarters.
Alabama won their NC by picking it up in the
Second half.
Historically Arkansas has been undersized compared to the Big boys but they had speed. I remember playing Alabama in the Sugar bowl when Holtz was here.  We stayed close in the first half but Alabama’s strength and depth pulled away in the second.
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