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New style offense
« on: January 28, 2018, 09:03:43 pm »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 09:06:33 pm »

The spread is already surviving in the SEC.  More and more teams are going to it and it will be around for a long time.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2018, 09:12:02 pm »

Up Tempo isn't new, but its something we have never adopted until now. Dynamic, fast paced and exciting..  Very excited to see Hogs run 70-80 snaps a game.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2018, 09:52:28 pm »

The Uptempo will work. Morris had excellent success at Clemson vs Auburn, LSU, UGA and SC.

Not to mention success against FSU.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 09:56:42 pm »

Not until we get a defense that is worth a "darn."
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2018, 10:28:37 pm »

Nothing new
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2018, 11:08:42 pm »

ANY offense will work in the SEC if you have enough SEC LEVEL PLAYERS.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2018, 11:37:29 pm »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?

It's catching on all over the country.  You saw it first hand in the last 3 national championships ships and I believe some form of power spread is the only thing that has best bama the last few years? 

How is your nephew if I remember right liking things so far?  Whaley's uncle, correct?
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2018, 04:53:32 am »

ANY offense will work in the SEC if you have enough SEC LEVEL PLAYERS.
Not according to Frank.




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Re: New style offense
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2018, 06:12:30 am »

The Uptempo will work. Morris had excellent success at Clemson vs Auburn, LSU, UGA and SC.

Not to mention success against FSU.

FSU will be running it this year with Taggert
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2018, 06:24:53 am »

I believe this Offense gives us the best Oppurtunity to compete year in and year out, but I do believe it'll be hard to juggle 4 good backs in to keep everyone satisfied
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2018, 06:25:26 am »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?

How "uptempo" is "uptempo"? We ran one play about every 28 seconds last season. SMU ran one play about every 24 seconds. If we were talking about the difference between an Oklahoma State (almost 22 seconds) and someone like Georgia (almost 30 seconds) there might need to be a bigger adjustment. 4 seconds faster shouldn't be a very difficult adjustment.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2018, 07:24:44 am »

The way I see Morris offense is it's more of a no huddle, not allowing the opponents defense to substitute and therefore creating favorable mismatches while wearing the defense out over the course of a game.  As Muskogee stated, the time to snap isn't that much different.

To answer the OP's original question.  Yes this offensive style will survive.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2018, 07:24:45 am »

Absolutely...if we continue to upgrade talent and speed.  If we donít do that, no style we run will survive.  Also, this is a run oriented up tempo.  Not three passes and give the ball back consistently.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2018, 07:32:55 am »

How "uptempo" is "uptempo"? We ran one play about every 28 seconds last season. SMU ran one play about every 24 seconds. If we were talking about the difference between an Oklahoma State (almost 22 seconds) and someone like Georgia (almost 30 seconds) there might need to be a bigger adjustment. 4 seconds faster shouldn't be a very difficult adjustment.


4 seconds is roughly the amount of time it takes to get a player on the field

It is a big adjustment
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2018, 07:35:35 am »

I believe this Offense gives us the best Oppurtunity to compete year in and year out, but I do believe it'll be hard to juggle 4 good backs in to keep everyone satisfied

Backs that can catch a football will be fine.

Once again, The HUNH is not an offense, itís a scheme or playcalling system.  You can RUN any offense you want to run out of it and you can take 7 seconds or you can take 25 seconds to snap the ball AS long as you Hurry Up No Huddle so as not to allow the defense to sub.  You can run the ball between the tackles every single play if you want to.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2018, 07:39:00 am »

It will thrive in the SEC
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2018, 08:53:46 am »

How "uptempo" is "uptempo"? We ran one play about every 28 seconds last season. SMU ran one play about every 24 seconds. If we were talking about the difference between an Oklahoma State (almost 22 seconds) and someone like Georgia (almost 30 seconds) there might need to be a bigger adjustment. 4 seconds faster shouldn't be a very difficult adjustment.

We were 91st in plays per game. SMU was 23rd.

It's a huge adjustment.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2018, 08:55:22 am »

We were 91st in plays per game. SMU was 23rd.

It's a huge adjustment.

Now that is a meaningful stat!  Donít know if that makes it a huge adjustment for the players or not, that is to be seen, but the question is will it be a huge adjustment for opposing offenses.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 09:08:44 am »

Not until we get a defense that is worth a "darn."

Bingo.  It will be great if we can score 45 points a game.  It's going to suck if we give up 48.  Still gotta have a defense.  The proof is in the pudding (Chavis).  I would say Coach Chavis has the bulk of Arkansas' immediate success riding on his back. 

I like an exciting offense as much as anyone, but we still have to stop the opposition.  I just hope Chavis can adjust his system for the talent he may or may not have this first year or two.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2018, 09:26:38 am »

It's the offense you have to run in the SEC now. We tried the downhill running thing and it just didn't work out. We need an equalizer.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2018, 09:33:11 am »

It's the offense you have to run in the SEC now. We tried the downhill running thing and it just didn't work out. We need an equalizer.

So wait, doing what everyone else is doing is an equalizer?
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2018, 09:39:38 am »

So wait, doing what everyone else is doing is an equalizer?

Evidently since we were 14 in a 14 team league doing it the other way.  But I think you already know that it fits the talent we CAN get better since you are the one always saying we canít get talent.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2018, 09:43:39 am »

Bingo.  It will be great if we can score 45 points a game.  It's going to suck if we give up 48.  Still gotta have a defense.  The proof is in the pudding (Chavis).  I would say Coach Chavis has the bulk of Arkansas' immediate success riding on his back. 

I like an exciting offense as much as anyone, but we still have to stop the opposition.  I just hope Chavis can adjust his system for the talent he may or may not have this first year or two.

The question about s how many teams in the SEC can put up 48 on a Chavis defense and how many SEC defenseís can we put 45 on.  I think the odds favor us a little more this way than the other way.  Petrino proved that and if we donít not win the SEC, 21-5 is better than the other way.  How about we do some 21-5ís before we start talking about undefeated seasons, SECCís and NCís?
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2018, 09:46:12 am »

Now that is a meaningful stat!  Donít know if that makes it a huge adjustment for the players or not, that is to be seen, but the question is will it be a huge adjustment for opposing offenses.

Gonna assume you meant defenses, and no it won't. This idea that everyone in the SEC huddles and lines up in the I while running the playclock down to 3 every play is archaic.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2018, 09:47:56 am »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2018, 09:49:20 am »

The question about s how many teams in the SEC can put up 48 on a Chavis defense and how many SEC defenseís can we put 45 on.  I think the odds favor us a little more this way than the other way.  Petrino proved that and if we donít not win the SEC, 21-5 is better than the other way.  How about we do some 21-5ís before we start talking about undefeated seasons, SECCís and NCís?

Yep. I agree with this statement.  Gotta take some baby steps.  Chavis has a fresh start and I think he will get the support he needs to make a difference or at least allow much fewer points than the last defensive coaching staff did.  That accompanied with Morris' offense hopefully will get us competitive and back on the winning track. 

Plus this year's schedule will be favorable so it should be interesting to see where Hogs end up with the W/L's.  Whether anyone agrees or not with all the coaching hires that have been made this next season will fall favorably with the Hogs I believe.  I too think the odds are in our favor now.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2018, 09:50:35 am »

The way I see Morris offense is it's more of a no huddle, not allowing the opponents defense to substitute and therefore creating favorable mismatches while wearing the defense out over the course of a game.  As Muskogee stated, the time to snap isn't that much different.

To answer the OP's original question.  Yes this offensive style will survive.

Bert's insistence on huddling before almost every play drove me nuts.  We were already at a disadvantage talent-wise, and on top of that we almost always gave the opposing team time to substitute players.  Not to mention the antiquated offense we were running, which was much easier to defend against than the power spread.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2018, 09:51:17 am »

The question about s how many teams in the SEC can put up 48 on a Chavis defense and how many SEC defenseís can we put 45 on.  I think the odds favor us a little more this way than the other way.  Petrino proved that and if we donít not win the SEC, 21-5 is better than the other way.  How about we do some 21-5ís before we start talking about undefeated seasons, SECCís and NCís?

What?

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Re: New style offense
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2018, 10:32:08 am »

How "uptempo" is "uptempo"? We ran one play about every 28 seconds last season. SMU ran one play about every 24 seconds. If we were talking about the difference between an Oklahoma State (almost 22 seconds) and someone like Georgia (almost 30 seconds) there might need to be a bigger adjustment. 4 seconds faster shouldn't be a very difficult adjustment.
Last year we were playing catch up for the most part in every game, so I would guess we were playing faster than we would normally have liked.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2018, 10:56:54 am »

So wait, doing what everyone else is doing is an equalizer?

It is. Why else would they be doing it? It increases the parity of the game. There's a reason so many high schools are going to it and it has even begun to infiltrate the college game. The offense we ran under BB was like dragging our feet in the mud and expecting to win a footrace.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2018, 11:08:13 am »

It is. Why else would they be doing it? It increases the parity of the game. There's a reason so many high schools are going to it and it has even begun to infiltrate the college game. The offense we ran under BB was like dragging our feet in the mud and expecting to win a footrace.

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Re: New style offense
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2018, 11:21:34 am »

ANY offense will work in the SEC if you have enough SEC LEVEL PLAYERS.
Well the spread works in our favor because all you need is SEC level speed. Much easier to find speed than anything else
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2018, 11:37:18 am »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?
If the rules don't change, like CBB tried to cajole, the advantage has swung to the offense.  So, if your offense doesn't align to play uptempo (and your name's not Bama or LSU), you're likely headed for 1-7 seasons in the SEC.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2018, 11:45:47 am »

It is. Why else would they be doing it? It increases the parity of the game. There's a reason so many high schools are going to it and it has even begun to infiltrate the college game. The offense we ran under BB was like dragging our feet in the mud and expecting to win a footrace.
A large part of it also is due to lack of time the players can practice in HS and college.  It's much easier to learn for the QB, not as many plays, etc.  Very basic stuff but if done well can be very effective. A lot of spread teams have less than 20-25 plays in their arsenal but they run them over and over again and many have options (RPO).  another reason why many college spread QBs take longer to mature in the NFL because the playbook is so much bigger. 
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2018, 12:08:06 pm »

Gonna assume you meant defenses, and no it won't. This idea that everyone in the SEC huddles and lines up in the I while running the playclock down to 3 every play is archaic.

Yes I did mean defense, and I agree that SEC defenses have seen these offenses plenty of times by now.  My hope is in The Hogs getting better players that fit this scheme better.  As many point out, any scheme will work if you can get the players but not all teams can get all the same type players.  Thatís why there are different schemes, so that all the players have a chance somewhere.  We can hope that CCM gets a fair share and is the coach that Arkansas needs.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2018, 12:13:21 pm »

What?

Also, how did you come up with Cinco de Hogo?

What? Canít you understand smart phone English where the phone finishes the sentence before you finish spelling the first word?

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Re: New style offense
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2018, 12:16:29 pm »

The offense doesn't matter. We are not going to run through the SEC West and score 50 on everyone. The teams that we play year in and year out just do not allow anyone to score in big numbers on a regular basis. Our offensive numbers haven't been that bad; it is our defense that has been horrible. If the new staff can't fix the defense we will continue to lose. 
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2018, 12:29:22 pm »

The offense doesn't matter. We are not going to run through the SEC West and score 50 on everyone. The teams that we play year in and year out just do not allow anyone to score in big numbers on a regular basis. Our offensive numbers haven't been that bad; it is our defense that has been horrible. If the new staff can't fix the defense we will continue to lose.

Of course offense matters and it matters that OUR offense is of a type that takes advantage of the players WE can get.  A game doesnít have to be in the 50ís to be a shootout but you normally do have to score in the 2nd half to win even if you have a good defense.  At least Arkansas does!!!
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2018, 12:47:49 pm »

The wishbone would work with the right players.... the question should be, can CCM recruit the type of players to the hill that can sustain an uptempo scheme against SEC W talent. The jury is out on this but I sure hope he can.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2018, 12:50:05 pm »

Not according to Frank.




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The "Wishbone Offense" is no longer around; not because it wasn't an excellent, effective offensive scheme, - - but merely because defenses evolved to neutralize its effectiveness.  Whether or not this happenstance occurs in response to defensive retaliations against the "Spread Offense" remains to be seen.  The premise has been widely advanced by multiple defensive football gurus that there is no such thing as an "indefensible" offensive scheme, - - and that defensive schemes will eventually be devised to minimize and neutralize the effectiveness of ANY offense, regardless of its perceived merits and/or advantages.

As has been observed by other posters above, the effectiveness of ANY offensive scheme - including that of the current, superlatively-ballyhooed "Spread Offense" - will ultimately depend upon the relative athleticism quality of the athletes who are employing the offensive scheme - - - and the overall quality, athleticism and preparedness of the defensive personnel who oppose them.

Since this will be the initial season under new coaching, new offensive and defensive schemes, - - and likely reshuffled pecking order player alignments and prioritized parameters, - - - I have no clue as to how effective either the new offensive or the new defensive scheme will prove to be, all variable factors considered.  It will almost certainly prove to be extremely interesting and very entertaining.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2018, 12:51:00 pm »

This is an offense never seen before - New Style...not just to Arkansas, but to the WORLD - not what you saw at SMU, not even close.

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Re: New style offense
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2018, 12:53:25 pm »

Not until we get a defense that is worth a "darn."
NOW THIS IS A GREAT POINT.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 12:56:11 pm »

NOW THIS IS A GREAT POINT.

Which, of course, means it will be ignored.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2018, 01:01:08 pm »

The offense doesn't matter. We are not going to run through the SEC West and score 50 on everyone. The teams that we play year in and year out just do not allow anyone to score in big numbers on a regular basis. Our offensive numbers haven't been that bad; it is our defense that has been horrible. If the new staff can't fix the defense we will continue to lose.

This is my argument too, pretty much.  Our offense may gain some firepower and look different however we still face the same defenses in the SEC West.  Where our W/L numbers will improve is in how much better our defense schemes, matches-up, and stops opponents from getting into the end zone.  We are all hoping for this massive, quick, scoring machine to rack up 50 points a game.  Better put your money on the defense and hope Chavis can put whatever pieces we have into place and come away with something solid that can actually stop offenses. 

We need speed, strength, and most importantly a better defensive alignment.  Our high-powered offense isn't going to be able to keep up if our defense lets running backs track off 80 yard touchdowns up the middle between the tackles. 
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2018, 01:05:42 pm »

Which, of course, means it will be ignored.

Nah, I think we all got our fingers(and toes) crossed hoping Chavis can give us a decent defense, however this thread is about offense so quaint little sayings may get only get a head nod.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2018, 01:06:18 pm »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?


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Re: New style offense
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2018, 01:10:00 pm »

ANY offense will work in the SEC if you have enough SEC LEVEL PLAYERS.

And coaching staff. We've had SEC seeing as they were also NFL worthy. Can we keep up that level of talent and improve the scheming and actually make adjustments?

We'll have a decent idea by this time next year.
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Re: New style offense
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2018, 01:47:48 pm »

Do any of you think the uptempo that the new staff is bringing with them will survive in the SEC ?

1. I believe those "three and outs" are going to come so fast it just "messes us up," at least initially.
2. Then we'll lose a lot of games 28-49 with a porous defense, wilting in the 4th quarter.
3.  Finally, we'll average 6.5-7 season wins with scores of 49-42, if we're lucky.

Then we find a new coach with everyone saying this was never the guy.   :puke:

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Re: New style offense
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2018, 01:50:28 pm »

You take a decade long nap?

a decade is not a long time if you compare it to the amount of time football has been around, making the arrival of the spread offense a relatively new concept in the sport that continues to grow and evolve. I know you were trying to be funny, but think it through next time.
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