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Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« on: January 13, 2018, 12:14:58 pm »

Interesting.  Don't think I have ever seen a player comment on anyone other than the returning starter.

https://twitter.com/bijhonj/status/952223014799757312

Even though his eligibility is up, he just finished playing with all these guys.  Maybe a sign that Hyatt is the real deal
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2018, 12:17:16 pm »

Did Hyatt run the scout team last year? Could be why he says that.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2018, 02:40:31 pm »

Interesting.  Don't think I have ever seen a player comment on anyone other than the returning starter.

https://twitter.com/bijhonj/status/952223014799757312

Even though his eligibility is up, he just finished playing with all these guys.  Maybe a sign that Hyatt is the real deal

I really like Hyatt to start. Have to say that I really love Bijohn he could have went anywhere and he played for the Razorbacks. Hyatt is a better athlete than the others on campus and has the arm to run Coach Morris's offense.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2018, 02:54:03 pm »

Jack Lindsey, Carson Proctor,  and Daulton Hyatt took snaps on scout team.  When Austin was out, Lindsey went with the offensive group and Carson and Daulton split the time.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2018, 03:29:10 pm »

Congratulations to Bijhon on graduation!  He is clearly an intelligent young man. 
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2018, 06:38:02 pm »

Dalton Hyatt has some quicks and is probably best suited to run the type of offense Morris wants with a mobile QB. That said, I could definitely see Cole getting the nod. Excited for the competition in the spring.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2018, 06:52:51 pm »

Morris' offense has thrived without a DT QB, so the competition should be interesting. Especially with CK losing weight.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2018, 07:17:48 pm »

Interesting.  Don't think I have ever seen a player comment on anyone other than the returning starter.

https://twitter.com/bijhonj/status/952223014799757312

Even though his eligibility is up, he just finished playing with all these guys.  Maybe a sign that Hyatt is the real deal

In order to have a true opinion on the "QB competition" he would have to have rendered an opinion on everyone else. By this tweet he is merely saying that he is looking forward to seeing how Hyatt competes for the job. He probably likes Hyatt as a person and a team mate and a player. It's difficult to draw any accurate conclusions beyond that.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2018, 07:20:53 pm »

Ever since Morris was announced, I felt that Daulton might be the best fit, but probably won’t be ready by September.  However, I expect a lively QB battle (for the first time in forever) that will make both Cole and Daulton up their game.  A lean Cole in an RPO laden offense could be deadly especially while the offensive line is finally learning to block in a scheme that finally fits their skill set.

Once the line is more stable and Daulton gets some more reps, say by game 6 or so, he may be ready and give us a slight change up and we will finally have two QB’s who can lead the team if the other goes down.  If Cole has any hiccup in progressing though, Daulton will be on his heels nipping.  Conner will redshirt, and needs to redshirt barring substantial injury to Cole or Daulton.  I really don’t see Ty sticking around, or playing if he does, but who knows.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2018, 07:41:47 pm »

Ever since Morris was announced, I felt that Daulton might be the best fit, but probably won’t be ready by September.  However, I expect a lively QB battle (for the first time in forever) that will make both Cole and Daulton up their game.  A lean Cole in an RPO laden offense could be deadly especially while the offensive line is finally learning to block in a scheme that finally fits their skill set.

Once the line is more stable and Daulton gets some more reps, say by game 6 or so, he may be ready and give us a slight change up and we will finally have two QB’s who can lead the team if the other goes down.  If Cole has any hiccup in progressing though, Daulton will be on his heels nipping.  Conner will redshirt, and needs to redshirt barring substantial injury to Cole or Daulton.  I really don’t see Ty sticking around, or playing if he does, but who knows.

The coaches have to be careful with Connor or he will jump to baseball.  Connor has ran a spread offense at Greenwood and he is very, very good.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2018, 07:46:14 pm »

The coaches have to be careful with Connor or he will jump to baseball.  Connor has ran a spread offense at Greenwood and he is very, very good.

Be careful?
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2018, 08:08:58 pm »

Can someone give me a rundown of the Hyatt hype? I guess I just don’t know much about him as I don’t remember much about his recruiting.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2018, 08:42:10 pm »

The coaches have to be careful with Connor or he will jump to baseball.  Connor has ran a spread offense at Greenwood and he is very, very good.
He is not going to get drafted high enough to not want to come to the UofA.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2018, 09:53:30 pm »

Will any practices be open to the public?  Has Coach commented on this yet?
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2018, 10:31:27 pm »

What is the last legitimate QB battle that we've had? Mustain/Dick? Seems like it was Dick->Mallett->Wilson->Allen&Allen, and in that frame there was never really a question of who the starter would be. Seems crazy that it is the first time in 12 seasons.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 12:24:38 am »

ive been sayin daulton hyatt.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 12:26:36 am »

What is the last legitimate QB battle that we've had? Mustain/Dick? Seems like it was Dick->Mallett->Wilson->Allen&Allen, and in that frame there was never really a question of who the starter would be. Seems crazy that it is the first time in 12 seasons.

The Dick bros in Petrino’s 1st year.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 12:43:53 am »

I think Ty is gonna be the man
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 01:09:14 am »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2018, 01:45:13 am »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.
It's been a long, long time since we've had a freshman that can compete with the upperclassmen. No one saw AA's issues coming last year. It's gonna be a fun competition to watch. At least I don't believe there's anyone who can genuinely question Morris' evaluating ability...
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2018, 03:43:20 am »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.

You mean experience like BA had his freshman year? Ouch.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2018, 07:19:45 am »

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1253550/583cb8e15b3cb11424b86b8c

Kid's got a live arm and some nice moves.

But, if he tries some of what's shown on this video in the SEC he'd get eaten alive.  Good thing that he's got time to learn what he can and can't do in practice right?
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2018, 07:36:52 am »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.

The offenses we've run for many years have put a load on the quarterbacks. Petrino: If there is an iconic image of Petrino (after that neck brace), it's of him yelling at his quarterback. Bielema: his pro-style offense expected a lot of mental aptitude out of his quarterback.

When you run a spread you have a few base plays, you get the audible signaled in from the sideline, your suppose to run your options, often the same options you ran in high school or JUCO, so it's easier for a new quarterback to succeed in that offense. Most of the freshmen quarterback you see are dual threat, which really often means run first, and they have the legs to get them out of their mistakes.

Like many, others, i've been saying I'm excited to see what Dalton Hyatt shows this year.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2018, 10:04:02 am »

Whatever happens it is going to be really fun to watch for a change. And, yes it does harken back to the Petrino days in several aspects. Miss him and his competitiveness.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2018, 11:53:46 am »

You mean experience like BA had his freshman year? Ouch.
no, he means like how the national title game was true freshman vs true freshman...
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2018, 12:08:31 pm »

Bielema sure didn't like QB competitions.....
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2018, 12:20:55 pm »

Deja vu.... rewind a year ago and insert CK in place of hyatts name, or "the franchise"
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2018, 01:15:15 pm »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.

In my opinion only, it reflects on a few things inherent to Razorback Football.
Number one, football IQ and star quality ... most of our QBs have suffered from want of it, whether freshman or otherwise ... [but this is less a factor than the others.]
Number two, a system in place at the time that fits and highlights the skill set of the QBs available ...
Number three, the IQ of the head coach and staff, and their willingness to start a freshman over an upperclassman  ...
Number four, a head coach and staff that has a modern approach to college football ...
Number five, a head coach and staff that doesn't participate in nepotism on the sidelines ...

Feel free to add if I've overlooked something ...
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2018, 01:23:43 pm »

Wonder why it is that except for us any other freshman quarterback in the country can start their first minutes of their college football career. But, on our team they, the freshman QB, seem to always in the mind of the fans need to wait until their freshman year is mostly over. This gives them time to be well versed enough to get on the field.  I have always felt that if the QB is talented enough get em on the field as soon as possible. In doing so they will gain the experience to get better and better. This needed experience does not happen as fast standing on the sidelines or waiting for your turn during practice. If need be give them fifteen or so plays to learn, as appropriate for an upcoming opposing defense, and stick em out there.


Frosh QBs rarely do well.  Your just watching Bama and Ga that both have good OLs


Kelley played well considering the circumstances and the chances of him getting beat out by a 190lbs redshirt are slim to none
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2018, 02:24:28 pm »

Good for Bjon!
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2018, 04:14:01 pm »


Frosh QBs rarely do well.  Your just watching Bama and Ga that both have good OLs


Kelley played well considering the circumstances and the chances of him getting beat out by a 190lbs redshirt are slim to none

Are you saying Hyatt is 190lbs?
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2018, 04:27:33 pm »

Are you saying Hyatt is 190lbs?

Roster says 6'4" 188
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2018, 06:41:34 pm »

Interesting QB discussion during the National Title game on the broadcast featuring the coaches watching the game.  Gundy, Cutcliffe, Sumlin, etc. were talking about the ability of a QB to catch the snap using only his peripheral vision was crucial in the spread as the QB needed to see the pre-snap read and the movement of the defense as the ball is snapped to be effective.   No time to watch ball into hands.  Gundy said the QB has to be shortstop or 2nd base type guy that can turn the tough double play.  Be interesting to see who that guy is on the team.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2018, 06:59:08 pm »

Think about this.  Do you really believe that the experience that Cole Kelley got gives him a big step up on the starting job next season.  I actually believe it could hurt him if he comes in believing he is the man and by the tme he finds out he isn't, someone else has the job.

We have lots of posters making those assumption type statements as absolute fact on here again.  I have no reason to believe that Chad Morris is a guru on evaluating talent.  I do believe this Hog team is about to give the man that exact challenge with a very short time to complete the job.  I do have reason to believe that Chad Morris will work hard to make the team better because he is showing that. 

I heard this crap about Bret Bielema when he was first hired.  When a poster starts out, I have no doubt, I believe we need to assume the following statement is likely very doubtful.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2018, 07:00:39 pm »

Roster says 6'4" 188

He's been in the weight room for a year surely he's atleast 200-205.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2018, 08:32:00 pm »

He's been in the weight room for a year surely he's atleast 200-205.

I believe that weight was this past football season. Either way he needs meat and muscle mass
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2018, 12:01:31 am »

Nice thread.

Not really following younger players like some of you do, I was less aware of our qb talent-in-waiting. 

The Hyatt kid sounds intriguing. Reading up on him, I really like his background - football upbringing since a toddler, in an Alabama small town that would pass for any in Arkansas.  He should take to being a Hog with no problem.

Background:
https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-football-quarterback-daulton-hyatt-recruiting-02-01-2017

             
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2018, 12:07:30 am »

https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1253550/583cb8e15b3cb11424b86b8c
Is it me or does he have an awkward throwing motion? Hard to tell on video but it looks like his release is low.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2018, 12:25:11 am »

Think about this.  Do you really believe that the experience that Cole Kelley got gives him a big step up on the starting job next season.  I actually believe it could hurt him if he comes in believing he is the man and by the tme he finds out he isn't, someone else has the job.

We have lots of posters making those assumption type statements as absolute fact on here again.  I have no reason to believe that Chad Morris is a guru on evaluating talent.  I do believe this Hog team is about to give the man that exact challenge with a very short time to complete the job.  I do have reason to believe that Chad Morris will work hard to make the team better because he is showing that. 

I heard this crap about Bret Bielema when he was first hired.  When a poster starts out, I have no doubt, I believe we need to assume the following statement is likely very doubtful.


Yes the experience Kelley gained gives him a huge leg up on the other QBs


Here is way this plays out:

Kelley comes in and it’s his job to lose.  Big, strong, and despite being a drop back guy can run enough to do the zone read stuff some.....

Story really isn’t a factor barring injury to Kelley.   Not a real running threat...avg arm.

Hyatt can be a factor to push Kelley IF he has physically developed to the point he can be a factor.  He was very skinny combing out of HS.  Drop back passer.

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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2018, 12:43:56 am »

Is it me or does he have an awkward throwing motion? Hard to tell on video but it looks like his release is low.


All over the place with his release and footwork.  But putting the ball where he wants it.  Just adequate arm....not real natural thrower.

But if they were basing the starter off pretty HS film they’d be starting Townsa from USC
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2018, 06:19:50 am »

In my opinion only, it reflects on a few things inherent to Razorback Football.
Number one, football IQ and star quality ... most of our QBs have suffered from want of it, whether freshman or otherwise ... [but this is less a factor than the others.]
Number two, a system in place at the time that fits and highlights the skill set of the QBs available ...
Number three, the IQ of the head coach and staff, and their willingness to start a freshman over an upperclassman  ...
Number four, a head coach and staff that has a modern approach to college football ...
Number five, a head coach and staff that doesn't participate in nepotism on the sidelines ...

Feel free to add if I've overlooked something ...

 Pretty sure you hit on every fallacy available...
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2018, 06:27:20 am »

Think about this. Do you really believe that the experience that Cole Kelley got gives him a big step up on the starting job next season.  I actually believe it could hurt him if he comes in believing he is the man and by the time he finds out he isn't, someone else has the job.

We have lots of posters making those assumption type statements as absolute fact on here again.  I have no reason to believe that Chad Morris is a guru on evaluating talent.  I do believe this Hog team is about to give the man that exact challenge with a very short time to complete the job.  I do have reason to believe that Chad Morris will work hard to make the team better because he is showing that. 

I heard this crap about Bret Bielema when he was first hired.  When a poster starts out, I have no doubt, I believe we need to assume the following statement is likely very doubtful.

 Firstly, I'm pretty sure you want your QB confident. That said I hope all of them think they're 2nd most prepared, in shape and/or ready. THEN I hope they prepare like their hair is on fire and come into spring ready to fight for the job.
 Secondly, I wouldn't want a coach that is too dumb to motivate, educate and evaluate his QB talent.
 Thirdly, Morris doesn't have a set QB archetype that he is looking to fit as closely as possible. He wants to find the best QB out of the bunch and build an offense to his skill set. We will see an offense that is ever changing and that will probably scare some of us too...
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2018, 01:10:09 pm »

Bielema sure didn't like QB competitions.....

Unfortunately I am not sure he liked to play number 2 at many positions.  I am not sure if that is because we did not have a good option or because that was his way.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2018, 01:20:03 pm »

Kid's got a live arm and some nice moves.

But, if he tries some of what's shown on this video in the SEC he'd get eaten alive.  Good thing that he's got time to learn what he can and can't do in practice right?

Agreed.  That's what I immediately thought about Brandon Allen.  In HS, he was a major threat to take off and run...and he would run away from people.  I thought maybe we would have a legitimate threat to scramble for the first time since Matt Jones.  Not even close...looked slow against SEC defenses.  So when his brother looked the same in HS..."Fool me once..."   ;D

I think you have to have ridiculous speed in HS at QB to be a dual threat in the SEC.   
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2018, 01:38:18 pm »

Bielema sure didn't like QB competitions.....

I see this over and over in regards to Bielema, but I don't see what he could have done much differently in regards to the QB situation.  Who should have replaced Brandon Allen?  Are we saying that there should have been a QB competition between Allen, Allen, Storey and Peavey when BA was a senior?  Who should have replaced Austin Allen?  Have we had a lot of transfers of 4-5 star QB's that end up setting the world on fire at other places?  I think that there were plenty of issues, obviously, with the Bielema coaching tenure at Arkansas, but I can't see how not having QB competition was one of them.   
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2018, 01:49:49 pm »

no, he means like how the national title game was true freshman vs true freshman...
Exactly. So many times on this board some of the most knowledgeable football folks have said it can't be done in today's SEC.
Go figure
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2018, 02:31:19 pm »

Exactly. So many times on this board some of the most knowledgeable football folks have said it can't be done in today's SEC.
Go figure

It can be done if those true freshmen are surrounded by lots of elite talent on both sides of the ball.  It can't just be done anywhere at any time.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2018, 08:47:20 pm »

Deja vu.... rewind a year ago and insert CK in place of hyatts name, or "the franchise"
If CK wants to even entertain the idea of the NFL he needs to keep the weight and switch to TE like today.
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Re: Bijhon's opinion on the QB competition
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2018, 09:08:29 pm »

If CK wants to even entertain the idea of the NFL he needs to keep the weight and switch to TE like today.
Doesn't look nearly athletic enough to me to sniff playing time at TE.
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