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Whatís happened to loyalty?
« on: December 27, 2017, 05:40:52 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2017, 05:47:50 pm »

I flipped Irene Ryan once.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2017, 05:58:01 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

Ask Keith Jackson.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2017, 05:59:00 pm »

I would imagine kids arenít hung up on state pride.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2017, 06:01:57 pm »

Lol some Morris bashers calling into drive time today, saying early on it appears he canít sell the program, ya thereís soo much going for us right now
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2017, 06:18:19 pm »

This question has been asked regularly on Arkansas message boards since the advent of the WWW.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2017, 06:41:31 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  I’m old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

I remember the Hogs losing kids to OU and Ok St when I was growing up. Don't know if it's more or less prevalent today, but it's not new.


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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2017, 07:17:26 pm »

I flipped off several in state kids earlier today.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2017, 07:20:15 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

Yes they did, there just wasn't Twitter, Facebook, and the Internet back in the 1920's so you never heard about it.

Houston Nutt
Keith Jackson
Cedric Houston

and the list goes on and on...
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2017, 07:22:11 pm »

I think a lot of this nuance is selective memory.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2017, 07:24:55 pm »

It happens at most non-elite schools and every once in awhile at the elites.
Because Arkansas has such a small supply of SEC-caliber players it just seems to hurt us a bit more than many other schools.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2017, 07:30:37 pm »

I think a lot of this nuance is selective memory.

I can't seem to remember what that word means.....
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2017, 07:34:22 pm »

If they are going to flip I'm glad he did it now. I believe we have time to upgrade on this lost. I want them to be 100% committed to the Hogs
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2017, 07:36:11 pm »

Ask Keith Jackson.

Don't think Jackson flipped, he was a Sooner from the beginning.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2017, 07:36:42 pm »

Yes they did, there just wasn't Twitter, Facebook, and the Internet back in the 1920's so you never heard about it.

Houston Nutt
Keith Jackson
Cedric Houston

and the list goes on and on...

Nutt chose Arkansas first, but your point about the internet isn't wrong.  Before internet recruiting services, some good instate players were ignored in discussions of Arkansas recruiting, if it was known they were going out of state.  Sometimes fans thought we signed all the best instate players, although we didn't.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2017, 07:38:17 pm »

I think a lot of this nuance is selective memory.

Exactly.  I remember my dad being pi$$ed at Broyles because he let Phillip Dokes get away to OSU back in the early 70's.  I think there was another NLR defensive player that went also, but don't remember his name.  Probably because he didn't end up in the league like Dokes.  In those days it was $100 handshakes.   
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2017, 07:45:14 pm »

Ask Keith Jackson.

Seems like I remember Keith didn't want to play TE in Ken Hatfield's type offense or something like that.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 07:49:50 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

I don't know what years you grew up, but we haven't been relevant since being in the sec and even before that. I know we had times of a few good years, but every time we are on the big stage. We have stumbled. Also kids now what to play in the NFL. Years ago, you were not an instant millionaire if you play a few years. It's all about trending. Coach Morris laid out a real good reason, most all previous staff had 1 coach for Arkansas. He will have 10. So its a lot of things combined.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2017, 08:07:00 pm »

It seems like there is no such thing as tough love for kids any more.  It seems today it's more popular to kiss a kid's ass and give them whatever they want.

When I grew up, the best offer a kid from here could get was from Arkansas, no matter who the coach was.  A friend of mind in high school was recruited nationally, but chose Arkansas without hesitation.

 Today, if the coach or the state doesn't kiss up enough, kids get their feelings hurt.  It's fine if a kid wants to go to Notre Dame or anywhere else.  But when a kid hurts our program by doing that, don't expect the Razorback treatment if you come back home.  Stay gone.  Monk is a Kentucky Wildcat, Gus is an Auburn Tiger, and this most recent kid is now a fighting Irish. Good luck.

I'll stick with the Arkansas Razorbacks vs everyone else mentality I grew up with.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2017, 08:16:58 pm »

So what year or decade was it when 3 of the top 4 recruits have left for P5 programs? I will hang up and listen.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2017, 08:19:24 pm »

What is the " Razorback treatment " Is it hey Matt Jones, I loved your miracle on Markham, just wanted to tell you man and I'll hang up and listen. 
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2017, 08:22:40 pm »

I'll say also, some of these schools put money in the right hands to get players. It's just the way it is.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2017, 08:38:13 pm »

It sucks, but we love it when Texas kids choose Arkansas instead of staying in-state, right?
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2017, 08:40:15 pm »

It sucks, but we love it when Texas kids choose Arkansas instead of staying in-state, right?

And all the other states as well.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 09:05:07 pm »

When you hire a 13-22 coach a lot of kids will flip.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 09:13:52 pm »

When you hire a 13-22 coach a lot of kids will flip.

Bishop and Fulwider flipped to Arkansas.  Guess they aren't as worried about his record as you are.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 09:24:52 pm »

There are several reasons.
None of their family or friends attended Uof A
Other schools contacted players first and Uof A basically ignored them.
Money
Belief that NWA was racist ( this belief started in the 60ís when white flighters from South and Eastern Arkansas moved to NWA.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 09:29:20 pm »

There are several reasons.
None of their family or friends attended Uof A
Other schools contacted players first and Uof A basically ignored them.
Money
Belief that NWA was racist ( this belief started in the 60ís when white flighters from South and Eastern Arkansas moved to NWA.

That last statement is blatantly false. 
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2017, 09:32:21 pm »

Arkansas isnít the absolute marquee team in the state anymore, regardless of how much everyone wants to believe they are.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2017, 09:36:06 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

These kids saw how loyal your type of hog fans were to the coach they committed to. Don't think that didn't play a part.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2017, 09:37:35 pm »

These kids saw how loyal your type of hog fans were to the coach they committed to. Don't think that didn't play a part.
Complete nonsense.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2017, 09:38:04 pm »

I would imagine kids arenít hung up on state pride.

state pride is stupid

I don't care where our players call home. They get my support when they put on that Razorback jersey.

Fans need to develop their loyalty based on their alma mater or who their favorite athletic program is..... don't root for the Razorbacks because you were pushed out in Arkansas.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2017, 09:41:50 pm »

state pride is stupid

I don't care where our players call home. They get my support when they put on that Razorback jersey.

Fans need to develop their loyalty based on their alma mater or who their favorite athletic program is..... don't root for the Razorbacks because you were pushed out in Arkansas.
I support all of our players too but it all starts at home.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2017, 09:48:59 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!
The same mentality that caused many HV posters to hope for Razorback losses this year. A sad commentary on the modern society.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2017, 09:51:18 pm »

Yes they did, there just wasn't Twitter, Facebook, and the Internet back in the 1920's so you never heard about it.

Houston Nutt
Keith Jackson
Cedric Houston

and the list goes on and on...

Paul Bryant
Don Hutson
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2017, 09:51:18 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!
I'm a teacher, so I will tell you what kids think. We have been bad so much for so long most of them don't see Arkansas as a successful program. On any given day these days, I see as many other teams shirts being worn at school as razorback shirts. And that school in northeast Arkansas that nobody wants to admit is a threat? I see almost just as many red wolves shirts as hogs now. We've got to start winning. The common thing I hear from the kids is "the hogs suck"
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2017, 09:51:57 pm »

Chance to play for championship if you say OU or Bama.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2017, 09:58:18 pm »

Don't think Jackson flipped, he was a Sooner from the beginning.
And he still played TE in the Wishbone!LOL
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2017, 10:06:16 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!
Wrong. Ever heard of Cortez Kennedy? Phillip Dokes? Keith Jackson? Those names go back a ways. As long as I've covered this program a few in state kids have left most seasons. Sometimes very good players. If you actually crunch the numbers historically Arkansas does a better job of keeping instate players than most schools SEC or whatever. Three players in a 4 win season with a coaching change is not unusual.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2017, 10:08:06 pm »

That last statement is blatantly false.
where are you from in Arkansas and how old are you and are you Black or White?
Answer that then we can compare notes.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2017, 10:11:29 pm »

where are you from in Arkansas and how old are you.
I grew up in NWA and 64. What you said is not true.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2017, 10:23:06 pm »

Seems like I remember Keith didn't want to play TE in Ken Hatfield's type offense or something like that.

So he went to play in Switzerís wishbone.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2017, 10:24:02 pm »

Seems like I remember Keith didn't want to play TE in Ken Hatfield's type offense or something like that.
OU wasn't exactly squeaky clean in the Switzer era, either.  Marcus Dupree's mom got a new double-wide out of their deal.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2017, 10:25:54 pm »

state pride is stupid

Consider the source.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2017, 10:27:42 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!

It is sad to see talent leave the state, but sometimes it is understandable.  Some have left this year for a better chance at playing time.  Some have left this year for a better education.  I understand those completely.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2017, 10:28:53 pm »

Eric Mitchell missed a chance to play qb by going to OU.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2017, 10:29:13 pm »

Why are so many in state kids flipping?  Iím old, but when I grew up instate kids never considered anyone but the Hogs!
To be honest, Granny, not being ugly, I think it has more to do with the soap opera that has been on the hill for too long. JMO
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2017, 10:30:58 pm »

To be honest, Granny, not being ugly, I think it has more to do with the soap opera that has been on the hill for too long. JMO
I believe that.
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2017, 10:33:08 pm »

I'm a teacher, so I will tell you what kids think. We have been bad so much for so long most of them don't see Arkansas as a successful program. On any given day these days, I see as many other teams shirts being worn at school as razorback shirts. And that school in northeast Arkansas that nobody wants to admit is a threat? I see almost just as many red wolves shirts as hogs now. We've got to start winning. The common thing I hear from the kids is "the hogs suck"
I agree , most of these seniors were in the 6th grade the last time we were competitive, CCM has been here just a few weeks , early signing period .. I believe he has to show the 2019 recruits what his offense looks like and CCM will have plenty of time to build a relationship, go to a bowl game next year and hopefully recruit better than we have before .
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Re: Whatís happened to loyalty?
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2017, 10:34:30 pm »

I grew up in NWA and 64. What you said is not true.
Well you see you know very little of the history. Iím 71 and white. I grew up in SEA and I still live there. I saw first hand the people from SEA that fled with white flight. I know the Black Dr. that encouraged Danny Bradley to go to Oklahoma for the reason I stated. We visited often. Before he died he became more tolerant and encouraged kids to go to the UofA but only to play for Nolan.
I knew Willie Roafís father and mother, The father was a liberal gentleman. The mother was very pro Black.  The UofA never gave him a sniff. I know John Tate and his dad John is playing for Memphis and is as good as most of our Defensive linemen. Arkansas didnít give him a sniff. You are wrong.
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