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NLR & Greenwood
« on: December 15, 2017, 05:08:00 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 05:11:10 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?

Polls are basically subjective?
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 05:12:24 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?

 Either the recruiting guy's are wrong or The HS rankings are darn...
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 05:14:15 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?

Great systems and winning cultures matter.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 05:14:34 pm »

Take those rankings and clip a five dollar bill to them.  Throw them off the bridge.  The person who finds them, finds $5.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 05:15:47 pm »

Could be just great coaching.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 05:18:20 pm »

Take those rankings and clip a five dollar bill to them.  Throw them off the bridge.  The person who finds them, finds $5.

Pretty much.  All those teams around the country don't play each other, so it's all just a guessing game. 
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 05:22:40 pm »

Great systems and winning cultures matter.

Greenwood in particular.  I'd like to see them move up a division just for the competition.  And I assume they'd still likely smoke most opponents.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 05:24:06 pm »

Greenwood in particular.  I'd like to see them move up a division just for the competition.  And I assume they'd still likely smoke most opponents.
If they move up they will still be just as competetive.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 05:26:01 pm »

Greenwood in particular.  I'd like to see them move up a division just for the competition.  And I assume they'd still likely smoke most opponents.

Greenwood is the best program in the state.  Has been for a long time.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 05:26:13 pm »

If they move up they will still be just as competetive.

Probably more than competitive.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 05:29:12 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?
It is a team sport. A high school can have a group of guys who are darn good players, but just not great. If they are well coached and play hard as a team, they can win a championship.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 05:29:43 pm »

Greenwood in particular.  I'd like to see them move up a division just for the competition.  And I assume they'd still likely smoke most opponents.

Want to find out how good Greenwood really is?  Do like Siloam Springs did when they had Frazier as their QB and go play one of those Texas teams, then see how they stack up.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 05:30:49 pm »

If they move up they will still be just as competetive.
As far as Greenwood goes it's all about coaching. In 2015 they played 7 games against 7A schools and won everyone of them.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 05:31:38 pm »

Want to find out how good Greenwood really is?  Do like Siloam Springs did when they had Frazier as their QB and go play one of those Texas teams, then see how they stack up.

Shiloh Christian, Siloam Springs struggles with Harrison.......
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 05:32:25 pm »

By the way, I'm not dogging on Greenwood either, I like their program alot.  I'd just like to see how they stack up against one of the heavyweights out of Texas or Oklahoma.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2017, 05:32:38 pm »

Want to find out how good Greenwood really is?  Do like Siloam Springs did when they had Frazier as their QB and go play one of those Texas teams, then see how they stack up.

Which demonstrates the fallacy of the national rankings.  These teams don't/can't cross over and play each other. 
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 05:33:18 pm »

Shiloh Christian, Siloam Springs struggles with Harrison.......

Yeah, I got carried away.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2017, 05:33:26 pm »

Shiloh Christian, Siloam Springs struggles with Harrison.......
You leave my hometown out of this. We goblins try to mind our own business ;)
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2017, 05:35:28 pm »

You leave my hometown out of this. We goblins try to mind our own business ;)

Lol, I'll try, maybe I should have said Sheridan........
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2017, 05:36:33 pm »

Lol, I'll try, maybe I should have said Sheridan........
The one team to make Harrison look like 5A champs. You're a good man.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2017, 05:37:03 pm »

As far as Greenwood goes it's all about coaching. In 2015 they played 7 games against 7A schools and won everyone of them.

Crazy part is, theyíve been awesome since Ronnie Peacock and theyíve changed staffs and still stayed legit.  Something in the water there I guess.  Went there 9th and 10th grade and itís a borderline Spartan football culture. 

Bulldogs, what is your profession?
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2017, 05:38:09 pm »

Lol, I'll try, maybe I should have said Sheridan........

Sheridan?  Isn't Sheridan the redneck capital of Arkansas?
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2017, 05:42:58 pm »

With High School football rankings you have to remember that schools on the list rarely play each other and that they are partial based on win streaks and not on how they would perform against how teams on the list.

North Little Rock is probably the most talented team in the state on a year to year basis based on how many players sign scholarships across every level. The fact that won a state title the first time in a long time tells you how badly they underachieve.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2017, 06:10:09 pm »

Greenwood in particular.  I'd like to see them move up a division just for the competition.  And I assume they'd still likely smoke most opponents.

Greenwood is already smoking the 7A teams that they play.  They are smoking everybody else too.
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2017, 06:19:09 pm »

You leave my hometown out of this. We goblins try to mind our own business ;)
Most people think we all belong to the klan and run around in our white sheets! Funny thing is Iíve never actually met a person in the khan!
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2017, 06:23:13 pm »

Lol, I'll try, maybe I should have said Sheridan........

Too close to Malvern...try again.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2017, 06:24:09 pm »

The noseguard or DT was in the Pine Bluff backfield all night. I know he was very thick and muscular moved well. I'm guessing he lacks height? No idea where he's going? He's a monster.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2017, 06:26:25 pm »

Too close to Malvern...try again.

Nope, I'll stick with Sheridan, that's Siloam's speed these days.....
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2017, 06:27:16 pm »

Most people think we all belong to the klan and run around in our white sheets! Funny thing is Iíve never actually met a person in the khan!
Well I can't say that I haven't but the biggest question I get asked is what is it like there? Well it's like living in a nursing home. Also my last name is close to Burlsworth so I always get the are you related to Brandon question
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2017, 06:32:39 pm »

Well I can't say that I haven't but the biggest question I get asked is what is it like there? Well it's like living in a nursing home.

....and I always knew, if I was lucky, that someday I'd get old.  I just never expected it to happen this quick.   :(
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2017, 07:00:50 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?
Because the state of Arkansas has always been underevaluated and under appreciated by the National Services.
Arkansas is a ďflyover ď state. They think itís not worth the investment in manpower and simply are convinced thereís not enough return on investment to really spend manhours on the ground doing serious evaluation of the statesí talent base.
Itís easier and safer to invest time, effort and energy in the old mainstays of TX, CA, FL, GA, ....

Thereís no question in my mind that kids are overlooked year in, year out in state.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2017, 07:07:52 pm »

With High School football rankings you have to remember that schools on the list rarely play each other and that they are partial based on win streaks and not on how they would perform against how teams on the list.

North Little Rock is probably the most talented team in the state on a year to year basis based on how many players sign scholarships across every level. The fact that won a state title the first time in a long time tells you how badly they underachieve.

North Little Rock had terrible, terrible coaching for many years - Bolding and the new coach from Starkville have provided quality coaching and NLR has been on a upward trajectory.
Heck - Bolding has made Parkview competitive in his short time there - which is almost unbelievable.
High school is all about coaching.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2017, 07:25:48 pm »

Want to find out how good Greenwood really is?  Do like Siloam Springs did when they had Frazier as their QB and go play one of those Texas teams, then see how they stack up.



That wasnít Siloam it was Shiloh!
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2017, 07:30:31 pm »

Greenwood is the best program in the state.  Has been for a long time.

How is youth football in Greenwood?
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2017, 07:42:20 pm »

How is youth football in Greenwood?

Havenít been back in a while but from what I remember you start with your class as a pitbull and continue in that system through your senior year.  The development is constant and consistent and by the time it counts youíve been playing with the same dudes for a decade.  Itís such an effective program. 
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2017, 07:56:25 pm »

There are about 1.1 million HS football players in the country and about 1,100 of them are rated  3, 4, or 5 star.  The chance of having multiple star rated players on one team is very remote.
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2017, 08:03:12 pm »

Havenít been back in a while but from what I remember you start with your class as a pitbull and continue in that system through your senior year.  The development is constant and consistent and by the time it counts youíve been playing with the same dudes for a decade.  Itís such an effective program. 

This the way it is throughout the South.  Arkansas needs strong youth football programs, especially in central Arkansas.  Not just for the sake of football but for the sake of the kids. 
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2017, 08:11:06 pm »

North Little Rock had terrible, terrible coaching for many years - Bolding and the new coach from Starkville have provided quality coaching and NLR has been on a upward trajectory.
Heck - Bolding has made Parkview competitive in his short time there - which is almost unbelievable.
High school is all about coaching.

This^^^^

NLR hasnít had decent coaching since before they combined the two high schools my senior year. Ever since Bolding came we have trended upwards. The new coach seems to have it together. I foresee NLR competing for championships for quite some time barring another scandal or coaching change. Facilities are top notch, talent pool is there, and the city is starting to really get behind them.
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2017, 08:13:16 pm »

Havenít been back in a while but from what I remember you start with your class as a pitbull and continue in that system through your senior year.  The development is constant and consistent and by the time it counts youíve been playing with the same dudes for a decade.  Itís such an effective program.

This is what Cabot has done for years, but unfortunately they havenít progressed their style enough. Not enough big boys to play like they have before.
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2017, 08:13:48 pm »

Southside in FS is terrible now because all those kids transfer to GW. Heck I know a kid from VB that transferred there and didnít play a down. Drives almost 45 mins twice a day to go to school.
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2017, 08:44:17 pm »

Years ago Don Struebing told me a story that demonstrates why some towns consistently produce winning football teams. He said, "When you play football for Springdale you don't appear in public if you lose on Friday night. You go the barbershop, the old men in there will wear you out. You go to Neal's Cafe, it's worse. You gotta go to church and as soon as it's over you better head for the car cause they'll get you there too."

Some places losing is not an option. Winning is part of the culture.
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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2017, 08:45:47 pm »

This is what Cabot has done for years, but unfortunately they havenít progressed their style enough. Not enough big boys to play like they have before.
Cabot hasn't progressed from their one dimensional dead T. Until they do, they will never win another championship.
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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2017, 08:46:58 pm »

Years ago Don Struebing told me a story that demonstrates why some towns consistently produce winning football teams. He said, "When you play football for Springdale you don't appear in public if you lose on Friday night. You go the barbershop, the old men in there will wear you out. You go to Neal's Cafe, it's worse. You gotta go to church and as soon as it's over you better head for the car cause they'll get you there too."

Some places losing is not an option. It's part of the culture.
Don would know, and he passed that winning attitude down to a lot of those kids when he was at Har-Ber.
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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2017, 08:48:28 pm »

As far as NLR goes, I give all the credit to Randy Sandefur. He has endured through all of the bad head coaches.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2017, 08:52:18 pm »

The noseguard or DT was in the Pine Bluff backfield all night. I know he was very thick and muscular moved well. I'm guessing he lacks height? No idea where he's going? He's a monster.

 Heís very big and pretty good. But heís not the smartest guy in the world. He canít get a qualifying score on the ACT. He may play JUCO ball and work on that.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2017, 09:03:25 pm »

As far as NLR goes, I give all the credit to Randy Sandefur. He has endured through all of the bad head coaches.

Yes he has. He was their when I graduated in 1991.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2017, 09:21:55 pm »

Keep in mind, the rankings only rank the seniors.

Noland is a 4 star, btw.

NLR has a WR that will be ranked. He's a sophomore I believe.

Both teams probably have underclassmen that will be ranked as well.
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2017, 10:00:37 pm »

Crazy part is, theyíve been awesome since Ronnie Peacock and theyíve changed staffs and still stayed legit.  Something in the water there I guess.  Went there 9th and 10th grade and itís a borderline Spartan football culture. 

Bulldogs, what is your profession?


Something in the water?


Transplants from next door more like it
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Re: NLR & Greenwood
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2017, 10:06:17 pm »

Ranked 8th and 16th nationally and only one 2 star and one 3 star recruit between them. How is that?

Neither one are in USA Today's Top 25. My Allen Eagles are number 3  ;D

I believe they are both in the top 10 of the Southwest Region rankings on USA Today though


http://usatodayhss.com/rankings/expert/boys/football/2017/18
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