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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #100 on: February 10, 2018, 10:44:49 pm »

I'm kinda waiting for y'all to point out someone that's on campus...
me too.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2018, 10:47:01 pm »

Your math is god awful.

Here is the roster breakdown of players on scholarship

5 star:
1. McTelvin Agim (5 star)

4 stars:

2. Brian Wallace
3. Devwah Whaley
4. Chevin Calloway
5. Hjalte Froholdt
6. Montaric Brown
7. Cheyenne O'Grady
8. Will Gragg
9. Jamario Bell
10. Austin Capps
11. T.J. Hammonds
12. Jalen Merrick
13. Ty Storey
14. Brandon Martin
15. Jeremy Patton
16. Briston Guidry

3 stars

17. Chase Hayden
18. Daulton Hyatt
19. Koilan Jackson
20. Jordan Jones
21. Austin Cantrell
22. Colton Jackson
23. La'Michael Pettway
24. Kamren Curl
25. Nate Dalton
26. Dalton Wagner
27. Maleek Barkley
28. Jonathan Marshall
29. Kofi Boateng
30. Jarrod Barnes
31. Alexy Jean-Baptiste
32. De'Jon Harris
33. Deon Stewart
34. Armon Watts
35. Kirby Adcock
36. Kyrei Fisher
37. Dre Greenlaw
38. Shane Clenin
39. Maleek Williams
40. Giovanni LaFrance
41. Jarques McClellion
42. Deon Edwards
43. Cole Kelley
44. Santos Ramirez
45. De'Vion Warren
46. Michael Taylor II
47. Derrick Munson
48. David Porter
49. Jared Cornelius
50. Jack Kraus
51. Jordon Curtis
52. Kendrick Jackson
53. Hayden Johnson
54. Jake Hall
55. Korey Hernandez
56. Britto Tutt
57. Josh Liddell
58. Deion Malone
59. Josh Paul
60. Ryan Pulley
61. Grayson Gunter
62. Dee Walker
63. Jonathan Nance
64. Dylan Hays
65. Randy Ramsey
66. Blake Johnson
67. Micahh Smith

2 star or unrated

68. Hayden Henry
69. Gabe Richardson
70. Ty Clary
71. T.J. Smith
72. Johnny Gibson
73. Connor Limpert (I think he is on scholarship - might not be)

PLUS the recruits we just signed:

4 star additions (according to 247):

74. Bumper Pool
75. Connor Noland

3 star additions (according to 247):

76. Michael Woods
77. Isaiah Nichols
78. Myles Mason
79. Billy Ferrell
80. Ladarrius Bishop
81. Joseph Foucha
82. Courtre Alexander
83. Nick Fulwider
84. Noah Gatlin
85. Rakeem Boyd
86. Ryan Winkel
87. Andrew Parker
88. John Stephen Jones
89. Silas Robinson

That's 89 scholarship players which puts us over the limit.

Plus all the walk-ons.
Good work, Factchecker.

So, out of 89 scholly players, a total of six are two stars. EXACTLY my point, thanks.

Also, a WHOLE bunch of those supposed "3*s" on the list are actually 4*s. Like Billy Ferrell, Dorian Gerald, and Miles Mason just in the new class. Dalton Hyatt was a ESPN Top150 guy and he is "just a 3*" on that list. We have over 30 player who are a 4* on at least one of the three major sites. Team is far from "mostly 2 and 3 stars".

Also, nobody counts walk-ons in any way as they are irrelevant, and EVRY teams walkons are just a batch of 2 and 3 star guys. There arent 5* walkons.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2018, 05:43:27 am »

Good work, Factchecker.

So, out of 89 scholly players, a total of six are two stars. EXACTLY my point, thanks.

Also, a WHOLE bunch of those supposed "3*s" on the list are actually 4*s. Like Billy Ferrell, Dorian Gerald, and Miles Mason just in the new class. Dalton Hyatt was a ESPN Top150 guy and he is "just a 3*" on that list. We have over 30 player who are a 4* on at least one of the three major sites. Team is far from "mostly 2 and 3 stars".

Also, nobody counts walk-ons in any way as they are irrelevant, and EVRY teams walkons are just a batch of 2 and 3 star guys. There arent 5* walkons.

The team has 105 players on the roster - walkons are NOT irrelevant...some are preferred or like I said earlier are good players coming off injuries, behavior issues, etc. Burlsworth was a walk-on - to say they are irrelevant shows a lot about you.

Roster - 105 players

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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2018, 06:34:38 am »

The team has 105 players on the roster - walkons are NOT irrelevant...some are preferred or like I said earlier are good players coming off injuries, behavior issues, etc. Burlsworth was a walk-on - to say they are irrelevant shows a lot about you.

Roster - 105 players
Burlsworth was such an outlier they made a movie about his story. I don't think he means to say the walk-ons are irrelevant as people, but to the purpose of this discussion of "stars".
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2018, 07:12:27 am »

Burlsworth was such an outlier they made a movie about his story. I don't think he means to say the walk-ons are irrelevant as people, but to the purpose of this discussion of "stars".

This is a discussion of the 'roster' - as the thread title implies - it was also a discussion of how 2&3 star guys make All SEC and go to the NFL at a higher clip than any other star ranking....

Btw - most walkons have a 'story' - not just scrub guys from Alpena...these are football players that got thrown off track for one reason or another. Not just a kid from Clifty that decides he wants to practice w the Razorbacks.

Get real.

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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2018, 12:34:25 pm »

This is a discussion of the 'roster' - as the thread title implies - it was also a discussion of how 2&3 star guys make All SEC and go to the NFL at a higher clip than any other star ranking....

Btw - most walkons have a 'story' - not just scrub guys from Alpena...these are football players that got thrown off track for one reason or another. Not just a kid from Clifty that decides he wants to practice w the Razorbacks.

Get real.


So going by this match. Does bamma have more 2 stars then 4 stars?  I'l hang up and listen
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2018, 12:43:59 pm »

So going by this match. Does bamma have more 2 stars then 4 stars?  I'l hang up and listen

Bama has 3 star walkons probably....do the research - don't know.

Let me know when you get a chance.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2018, 12:44:28 pm »

This is a discussion of the 'roster' - as the thread title implies - it was also a discussion of how 2&3 star guys make All SEC and go to the NFL at a higher clip than any other star ranking....

Btw - most walkons have a 'story' - not just scrub guys from Alpena...these are football players that got thrown off track for one reason or another. Not just a kid from Clifty that decides he wants to practice w the Razorbacks.

Get real.
You dont get to decide the entire discussion just b/c you started a thread. Hell, you start 20% of the threads on HV. ridiculous.

It's irrelevant to the discussion b/c EVERYBODY has 2* and 3* walkons, it says absolutely jackdarn about a program. Why even include it in the discussion? You are just trying to back your way into some sort of face saving after calling Arkansas a 2* school when we sign , on average, 1.3 2*s per season LMAO. 1.3!!! that vs the average 6.5 4*s per year. Since you dont math good, thats five times more 4*s than 2*s on scholarship at Arkansas. Or, 500% more 4*s.

 Also, the 105 man "roster" you keep bringing up. Riddle me this. How many players travel to a road game?  You know, the guys that actually might see the field; called a Travel Roster. Ill hang up and listen, Bart.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2018, 12:51:25 pm »

You dont get to decide the entire discussion just b/c you started a thread. Hell, you start 20% of the threads on HV. ridiculous.

It's irrelevant to the discussion b/c EVERYBODY has 2* and 3* walkons, it says absolutely jackdarn about a program. Why even include it in the discussion? You are just trying to back your way into some sort of face saving after calling Arkansas a 2* school when we sign , on average, 1.3 2*s per season LMAO. 1.3!!! that vs the average 6.5 4*s per year. Since you dont math good, thats five times more 4*s than 2*s on scholarship at Arkansas. Or, 500% more 4*s.

 Also, the 105 man "roster" you keep bringing up. Riddle me this. How many players travel to a road game?  You know, the guys that actually might see the field; called a Travel Roster. Ill hang up and listen, Bart.

It's not about who we sign....this thread is about the roster.

You can start about thread about scholarship recipients and their rankings, if you like.

Do you need help starting a thread or just want to bitch about being wrong? Btw, I think being loaded w 2&3 stars and walkons is a positive....you missed that part. It's not a negative, a positive.  I'm not a stars guy
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2018, 12:54:59 pm »

It's not about who we sign....this thread is about the roster.

You can start about thread about scholarship recipients and their rankings, if you like.

Do you need help starting a thread or just want to bitch about being wrong?
you need to lay off the sauce; your brain is addled.

One more time. THERE is NOTHING to "discuss" about walk-ons. The are ALWAYS 3* or less, in every program, always. The ONLY exception to that is like a coaches son or a millionaire kid trying to help out the school, like a legacy player.

ARKANSAS is NOT a 2 and 3 star school. Its just not. It's a 3 and 4 star school, by ANY measure, even if you ARE counting walk ons. And you are literally the only poster in this thread who cant seem to grasp that. We still coolio in my book, but this is a lost cause.

it's /Thread. go ahead and get some pale ass last word in, im out.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2018, 12:56:28 pm »

you need to lay off the sauce; your brain is addled.

One more time. THERE is NOTHING to "discuss" about walk-ons. The are ALWAYS 3* or less, in every program, always. The ONLY exception to that is like a coaches son or a millionaire kid trying to help out the school, like a legacy player.

ARKANSAS is NOT a 2 and 3 star school. Its just not. It's a 3 and 4 star school, by ANY measure, even if you ARE counting walk ons. And you are literally the only poster in this thread who cant seem to grasp that.

it's /Thread. go ahead and get some pale ass last word in, im out.

Very insightful....

You struggle at math, obviously
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2018, 12:58:55 pm »

If we're going to go by the absurdity of the full roster, half of Alabama's roster is somewhere between unranked to 3 star.

https://247sports.com/Team/Alabama-Crimson-Tide-164/Roster
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2018, 01:06:25 pm »

If we're going to go by the absurdity of the full roster, half of Alabama's roster is somewhere between unranked to 3 star.

https://247sports.com/Team/Alabama-Crimson-Tide-164/Roster
A HUGE difference in 'Bama and almost every other program is that no matter how many stars a kid has they find a way to develop their talent and help them play to their maximum potential. Inarguably talent counts; however, it's what you do with that talent AND how you develop the potential of EVERY player that truly separates the great coaches and the programs they run. Under Saban the Tide has feasted on players of ALL skill/rating levels; it's one thing that's made the program so difficult to defeat.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2018, 01:07:40 pm »

I mean, I agree.  But that wasn't the argument here. 
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2018, 01:09:18 pm »

A HUGE difference in 'Bama and almost every other program is that no matter how many stars a kid has they find a way to develop their talent and help them play to their maximum potential. Inarguably talent counts; however, it's what you do with that talent AND how you develop the potential of EVERY player that truly separates the great coaches and the programs they run.

Exactly

If anybody remembers Neb during the days when they were powerful...they had the best walkon program in the nation. O lineman would give up scholarships to small schools and walk on at Neb with the hopes of earning a scholarship.

One of Scott Frosts number ONE goals is the restore the redshirt program

http://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/recruiting/signing-day/scott-frost-hopes-to-expand-roster-with-goal-of-restoring/article_bc029f73-946f-5082-8b72-3b4db94cde38.html

 "We want to make sure we have the right guys in the program, the right walk-ons in the program, as well. And guys we feel like can come in here and get in Zach Duval's (strength and conditioning) program, and get with our coaches and develop into players, and eventually be on the field and help this football team.

"That's what's happened at Nebraska in the past, and I'd like to see it happen again."

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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2018, 01:13:40 pm »

A HUGE difference in 'Bama and almost every other program is that no matter how many stars a kid has they find a way to develop their talent and help them play to their maximum potential.

Well, Oklahoma's roster is the same way.

https://247sports.com/Team/Oklahoma-Sooners-Football-39/Roster

And Clemson

https://247sports.com/Team/Clemson-Tigers-Football-3/Roster

And Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Bulldogs-Football-172/Roster

And Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Team/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Football-79/Roster

Etc, etc.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2018, 01:16:00 pm »

One more time.....it's not about stars

It's about player development

All together now:

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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2018, 01:18:23 pm »

One more time.....it's not about stars

It's about player development

All together now:

Odd, considering the title of this thread and the discussions that have been going on throughout it.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2018, 01:21:05 pm »

Odd, considering the title of this thread and the discussions that have been going on throughout it.

Why is the title of this thread considered negative?

In the spirit of not caring about stars and player development - It should be a positive thread.

CCM doens't care about stars - why are we so wrapped up in them? Let's develop some players and go win some damn games. Simple.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2018, 01:26:14 pm »

Well, Oklahoma's roster is the same way.

https://247sports.com/Team/Oklahoma-Sooners-Football-39/Roster

And Clemson

https://247sports.com/Team/Clemson-Tigers-Football-3/Roster

And Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Bulldogs-Football-172/Roster

And Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Team/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Football-79/Roster

Etc, etc.
exactly. it's pointless to talk about the bottom half of a 105 man roster when only 22 players are starters on off/def. scholarship players matter much more. Like 98% of it.

Also, on the 105 again. ONLY 80 players can dress and play, not 105.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2018, 01:49:22 pm »

Well, Oklahoma's roster is the same way.

https://247sports.com/Team/Oklahoma-Sooners-Football-39/Roster

And Clemson

https://247sports.com/Team/Clemson-Tigers-Football-3/Roster

And Georgia.

https://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Bulldogs-Football-172/Roster

And Ohio State.

https://247sports.com/Team/Ohio-State-Buckeyes-Football-79/Roster

Etc, etc.
Okay, I'll concede that Alabama is not the only program that can do such; however, they still stand out IMO as being the BEST at such. Whatever one takes away from such an observation is that NO MATTER the name of the program or the team MOST are able to take virtually ALL their roster, no matter rankings/stars and upgrade their play through coaching and other developmental techniques. That's why a COMBINATION of star power and talent development is IMO the best approach to ultimate success. The Hogs need to do a better job in both areas going forward.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2018, 02:13:34 pm »

exactly. it's pointless to talk about the bottom half of a 105 man roster when only 22 players are starters on off/def. scholarship players matter much more. Like 98% of it.

Also, on the 105 again. ONLY 80 players can dress and play, not 105.

I guess you've missed the point behind the whole walk on / player development discussion...
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2018, 09:33:36 pm »

Wonder what ol' 3-star Chase Hayden would look like if we could slip a high school jersey on him this year and turn him loose...or any of a whole bunch of players on the current roster.

Guess he'd be in trouble if he had to try and turn the corner against a 4-star LB, huh... ;D

Yeah. And poor lil ol' TJ...he'd prolly just get tore up by some 5-star CB... ;)


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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2018, 09:47:54 pm »

If recruiting was an exact science we never would have lost Toledo!
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #124 on: February 12, 2018, 06:49:27 pm »

I agree with OP, coaching is the largest contributor for Arkansas to compete for SEC championships.  Historically, we rank 9th in the SEC Recruiting.  During the Petrino and Nutt(gulp) eras, Arkansas competed for SEC championships.  We have proven we can compete with "average" SEC recruiting classes.  THERE IS HOPE!
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #125 on: February 12, 2018, 07:25:43 pm »

Quote
One more time.....it's not about stars

It's about player development

All together now:

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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #126 on: February 12, 2018, 08:19:02 pm »

One more time.....it's not about stars

It's about player development

All together now:



It's about both, not just one or the other.
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #127 on: February 12, 2018, 08:29:53 pm »

It's about both, not just one or the other.

Twist apparently just stays drunk all the time. 
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Re: We have a roster full of 2 and 3 star guys
« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2018, 09:12:22 pm »

Twist apparently just stays drunk all the time.

I drink a bit...but alcohol is not my drug of choice

I agree, it's about a blend of stars and development...but I'm not a believer in the accuracy of the stars system
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