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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2017, 01:34:08 am »

Why would you want Gus?  He can't win the west with the recruiting classes he gets at Auburn.  He'll do worse at Arkansas than he does at Auburn. He's winning 7-8 games a year with top 10 talent, I just can't see how any one could think he'd do better here playing in the exact same division. At least when we first Hired Bielema you could pretend what he was doing would work here and he could compete in the SEC west. You already know exactly how Gus can do.

Umm he won the west and made the NC game. Sitting at 7-2 now. Thats pretty darn good.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2017, 05:49:14 am »

Iíd take Gus in a heartbeat.  Should have been the hire instead of Bert anyway.

Great! More mediocrity.  He can't win enough at Auburn, so what do you think he will do with less talent and a slightly harder schedule?  Great.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2017, 06:05:52 am »

I don't think Gus will be offered the Arkansas job. Too toxic and he'd come in with 50 percent of the fan base against him. I think it's more likely he will be offered the A&M job, at least from SEC schools. As for the $2.5 million he'd owe if he leaves, he won't pay that because the school that hires him will pay that. If Gus goes, he'll go where he can be worshipped the most. Yes, his ego is that big. That's not Arkansas.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2017, 06:10:04 am »

What will the impact be on recruiting?

Are the small number of commits hard to the UofA or BB or their position coach?

Would an early BB exit help considering we get a good/great hire?

I'll hang up and listen.
As is the case with every single hire, it all depends on who the new hire is.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2017, 06:47:51 am »

Don't be so sure about Gus. He has more support than you apparently realize. And yes, I know a lot of the $$$$.


Yes let's hire Gus and divide the fan base on day one. Excellent plan.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #105 on: November 11, 2017, 06:51:43 am »

I am afraid Les Miles has already been offered and accepted.  He wants to coach again, particularly in the SEC.
I think Miles is a last resort mainly because of his age
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #106 on: November 11, 2017, 06:56:11 am »

Umm he won the west and made the NC game. Sitting at 7-2 now. Thats pretty darn good.

That was in 2013, and since he's won 8, 7, and 8, games and this year he's won 7 and likely going to lose 2 of his next 3 and have another 8 win season.  Now I may be wrong, but I can't see how he is going to even be able to do that good at Arkansas given that his last 4 recruiting classes have been ranked 10th, 6th, 9th, and 6th, and ours were 22,23,29,23 nationally. He would be playing the exact same teams but with less talent. Hiring him makes no sense whatsoever. With a lot of candidates you can look at their body of work and try to guess how they may do here against the type of competition we face weekly. With Gus you already know exactly how he'll do, not very good.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #107 on: November 11, 2017, 07:00:21 am »

I don't think Gus will be offered the Arkansas job. Too toxic and he'd come in with 50 percent of the fan base against him. I think it's more likely he will be offered the A&M job, at least from SEC schools. As for the $2.5 million he'd owe if he leaves, he won't pay that because the school that hires him will pay that. If Gus goes, he'll go where he can be worshipped the most. Yes, his ego is that big. That's not Arkansas.
I thought the same thing a week ago but things have changed.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #108 on: November 11, 2017, 07:04:45 am »

No to Gus




Hopefully he has a no compete clause for SEC schools!!!
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #109 on: November 11, 2017, 07:43:09 am »

Hopefully it's Norvell or Frost.

I like Frost too, but his ties to Nebraska go way back.  If those folks up there should fire their coach Scott Frost would seem a natural for them.  Even if our opening came up first and we got him here I'd always wonder if he was looking to bolt to 'Big Red' at the first opportunity. 
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Fire Brett Bielema!
« Reply #110 on: November 11, 2017, 08:06:22 am »

Just wanted to be the first one to say it today. Preemptive strike.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #111 on: November 11, 2017, 08:06:37 am »

I thought the same thing a week ago but things have changed.

Of course those that want him see this present situation as their best chance in five years to get him and they are going after it for all they are worth. I don't think they will succeed. The GOBN is far strong than the Springdale chapter of same club. And that's assuming the GOBN can get anything done anymore.
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Re: Fire Brett Bielema!
« Reply #112 on: November 11, 2017, 08:11:19 am »

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Re: Fire Brett Bielema!
« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2017, 08:12:50 am »

You forgot fire the carpetbagger too...
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2017, 08:14:34 am »

I never pretended Bert would do squat at Arkansas.  He was a bad hire and like many others then, I knew it.  Sounds like you didnít.
Gus... he would have been the best hire for us at the time.  We would NOT be in the position we are now, had Gus been hired instead of Bert.
The issue isnít if Gus would be an upgrade over Bert today; he would be.  The question should be is who would be an upgrade over Gus that we could realistically hire?  It really doesnít matter anyway as Gus would never take the Arkansas job.  Sadly, Auburn is a much better job than Arkansas is today; thanks to Long and Bert.

So, you knew this back in 2012, I'm guessing since you were posting back then that you were still in school at Shiloh?
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2017, 08:18:09 am »

Don't be so sure about Gus. He has more support than you apparently realize. And yes, I know a lot of the $$$$.

I really don't want Gus coaching Arkansas.  That being said, I'll fully support the next coach for at least the first three years.  After that they will have to earn my support.

This fan base has been fractured for far too long.  It's time everyone get behind the new coach, whoever that may be.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2017, 08:23:37 am »

So, you knew this back in 2012, I'm guessing since you were posting back then that you were still in school at Shiloh?

Youíre darned right I knew back in 2012 that Bert WAS NOT a good hire for Arkansas. Lots of informed people did as well.  Bert was NEVER going to be successful bringing big 10 football to Arkansas.  That plus his hubris was his undoing. 
Posts on hogville...LOL.  My goodness, what a baseline for relevance. 
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2017, 08:26:48 am »

Youíre darned right I knew back in 2012 that Bert WAS NOT a good hire for Arkansas. Lots of informed people did as well.  Bert was NEVER going to be successful bringing big 10 football to Arkansas.  That plus his hubris was his undoing. 
Posts on hogville...LOL.  My goodness, what a baseline for relevance. 

So, you posted this anywhere? I mean, you took the time and trouble to sign up on here a month ago to tell us all of your wisdom, I figure you were shouting it from the mountain tops in 2012.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2017, 08:28:43 am »

I'm hoping its Greg Schiano.  Fits the profile of getting another northerner, so Long is happy.  He's a solid recruiter, pulled in some good classes at Rutgers, which can't be easy to recruit to.

Plus he has the benefit of being a hell of a defensive coach.  Pair him with an OC who can work with that side of the ball, and I think he could turn us around next year.

Although he failed in the NFL, there's plenty of other guys who failed there and came back to college to succeed. 

If we can't land him, I'd settle for Gundy.  My dream candidate would be Leach, but I don't see any way he comes here.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #119 on: November 11, 2017, 08:30:34 am »

I'm hoping its Greg Schiano.  Fits the profile of getting another northerner, so Long is happy.  He's a solid recruiter, pulled in some good classes at Rutgers, which can't be easy to recruit to.

Plus he has the benefit of being a hell of a defensive coach.  Pair him with an OC who can work with that side of the ball, and I think he could turn us around next year.

Although he failed in the NFL, there's plenty of other guys who failed there and came back to college to succeed. 

If we can't land him, I'd settle for Gundy.  My dream candidate would be Leach, but I don't see any way he comes here.

The plane was in Columbus last month.................or if could have been Steinmetz sold his house there. 
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2017, 08:32:53 am »

It would buy him at least 4-6 more years making $4m+. His wife would be closer to family. No one would be trying to run him off for losing to Bama and UGA.


But you would have a rather large contingent that would immediately start trying to run him off just because he's Gus.  It would  be just as bad as if we tried to bring back BP or Hootie.

I just don't think we should be trying to hire a coach that has such a large group of people already lined up against him.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #121 on: November 11, 2017, 08:33:07 am »

I used to hate Gus as much as anyone, but guys.. he's a million times better than what we have right now.. if you can't see that, then I don't know what to say. This is the worst Razorback team I've ever witnessed. #AnyoneButBielema
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« Reply #122 on: November 11, 2017, 09:16:40 am »

Just wanted to be the first one to say it today. Preemptive strike.

Yep...
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #123 on: November 11, 2017, 09:23:05 am »

It may take a dip this cycle, but every coach has recruited about the same.
That's why we need a dynamic recruiter.  We need to be close to the level of A&M, Tenn, SCarolina and beat the Mississippi schools in order to move up in the SEC on the field.  Hire Brent Venables!

Maybe Norvell can recruit, I don't know.  But we won't be able to compete consistently unless we recruit better than we currently are. 
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« Reply #124 on: November 11, 2017, 09:43:20 am »

This speculation we have in coach searches is a barrel of fun, and 99.99% is pure speculation it's usually someone we didn't even think of. We learn who knows something and who is blowing smoke by the time we have our new coach. So let's keep it up. ;D
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« Reply #125 on: November 11, 2017, 09:53:08 am »


But you would have a rather large contingent that would immediately start trying to run him off just because he's Gus.  It would  be just as bad as if we tried to bring back BP or Hootie.

I just don't think we should be trying to hire a coach that has such a large group of people already lined up against him.

Agreed. Gus would last maybe 3 years. There is too much animosity over what happened in 2006.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #126 on: November 11, 2017, 10:10:42 am »

So, you posted this anywhere? I mean, you took the time and trouble to sign up on here a month ago to tell us all of your wisdom, I figure you were shouting it from the mountain tops in 2012.

He completely missed your point.  Not surprising.
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #127 on: November 11, 2017, 10:19:50 am »

So, you posted this anywhere? I mean, you took the time and trouble to sign up on here a month ago to tell us all of your wisdom, I figure you were shouting it from the mountain tops in 2012.

What part of: ďmy world doesnít revolve around hogville postsĒ donít you understand?  Hint:Mr. 42,000 posts....people have dialogue and opinions that donít include Hogville.  Why donít you try it!
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« Reply #128 on: November 11, 2017, 10:23:39 am »

What part of: ďmy world doesnít revolve around hogville postsĒ donít you understand?  Hint:Mr. 42,000 posts....people have dialogue and opinions that donít include Hogville.  Why donít you try it!

Did I say HV? You're the one who keeps mentioning HV, not me. So, the reason to come on here and tell us now, 5 years after the fact is? I mean, your world doesn't revolve around HV?
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« Reply #129 on: November 11, 2017, 10:26:56 am »

My sprint guides just informed me that Norvelle is the next coach and two of the present coaches will be retained. We will get the DL coach from ASU and the offensive line coach from Iowa State.

Wait .. waht's that? .. .yes .. three of teh staff will be from texas .. . yes .. yessssss .. .now lottery numbers ... 13, no 15 .. wait no .. . .. dammit
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« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2017, 10:27:10 am »

Be kind of hard for Gus to beat Auburn.
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« Reply #131 on: November 11, 2017, 10:29:45 am »

My sprint guides just informed me that Norvelle is the next coach and two of the present coaches will be retained. We will get the DL coach from ASU and the offensive line coach from Iowa State.

Wait .. waht's that? .. .yes .. three of teh staff will be from texas .. . yes .. yessssss .. .now lottery numbers ... 13, no 15 .. wait no .. . .. dammit
That pretty good stuff your smoking?
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« Reply #132 on: November 11, 2017, 10:31:07 am »

My sprint guides just informed me that Norvelle is the next coach and two of the present coaches will be retained. We will get the DL coach from ASU and the offensive line coach from Iowa State.

Wait .. waht's that? .. .yes .. three of teh staff will be from texas .. . yes .. yessssss .. .now lottery numbers ... 13, no 15 .. wait no .. . .. dammit
puff puff pass....
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« Reply #133 on: November 11, 2017, 10:37:00 am »

I am high on life fellas. Pity those that are not.

My spirit guide just informed me that Coach O just gave a rallying call to his team in a strange unknown language. They are cheering and frothing from the mouth.

My guide just slipped into the Razorback locker room and the coaches are eating blueberry pie with their hands.
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« Reply #134 on: November 11, 2017, 10:42:56 am »

Did I say HV? You're the one who keeps mentioning HV, not me. So, the reason to come on here and tell us now, 5 years after the fact is? I mean, your world doesn't revolve around HV?

Iíve tried to make this as simple for you to understand as I can; Iím sorry you canít seem to get it.  Let me try it one more time as remedially as I can.  I (as did many other insightful people) knew, when hired, that Bert-ball would fail.  Iím sorry if you canít grasp that.  Posting or not posting has no bearing on that; irrespective of YOUR worldview, Mr. 42,000 posts, that posting matters.  It doesnít. Get it?
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« Reply #135 on: November 11, 2017, 10:43:49 am »

May be time to change the thread title. Take off the "If" and replace it with "When".
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« Reply #136 on: November 11, 2017, 10:46:34 am »

Be kind of hard for Gus to beat Auburn.

He did it in the NC game vs Florida State and a few other times...
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« Reply #137 on: November 11, 2017, 10:47:29 am »

Agreed. Gus would last maybe 3 years. There is too much animosity over what happened in 2006.
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« Reply #138 on: November 11, 2017, 10:52:07 am »

What will the impact be on recruiting?

Are the small number of commits hard to the UofA or BB or their position coach?

Would an early BB exit help considering we get a good/great hire?

I'll hang up and listen.
If? It's already a done deal, friendo. As for ramifications of change in coaches, we will go from a bad head coach (his team has won 11 SEC games in 4 5/8's seasons, to a new head coach with energy, new potential and hope in the fanbase. Hope is gone now. No brainer to get someone else in there.
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« Reply #139 on: November 11, 2017, 10:56:43 am »

Iíve tried to make this as simple for you to understand as I can; Iím sorry you canít seem to get it.  Let me try it one more time as remedially as I can.  I (as did many other insightful people) knew, when hired, that Bert-ball would fail.  Iím sorry if you canít grasp that.  Posting or not posting has no bearing on that; irrespective of YOUR worldview, Mr. 42,000 posts, that posting matters.  It doesnít. Get it?


Cool, so you signed up to tell us what you thought 5 years ago......
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« Reply #140 on: November 11, 2017, 11:04:06 am »

Cool, so you signed up to tell us what you thought 5 years ago......

No, apparently just you.
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« Reply #141 on: November 11, 2017, 11:09:39 am »

No, apparently just you.
I'll give you this, good or bad you've been on HV one month and 4 days and pick a fight with one of the most reliable posters we have.
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« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2017, 11:18:27 am »

I'll give you this, good or bad you've been on HV one month and 4 days and pick a fight with one of the most reliable posters we have.

Iím only responding to his confusion. Not picking any fights with you or your reliable buddies.
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« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2017, 01:45:54 pm »

The $$$$ doesnít want Gus, so no Gus. We wonít be looking backwards. Gus has 0.0%. His name may be floated, but if they beat Georgia, it wonít even be floated. Unless, something drastic changes itíll most likely be Norvell or Neal Brown.

What is your source? Just a guess?
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« Reply #144 on: November 11, 2017, 01:51:01 pm »

People on Radio/TV have said firing the coach now (Before season end) will do no good.

I say people are not going to show up for the remaining home games, because they don't want to take the chance that their attendance, is in any measure, is perceived as support for BB to be retained.  If they let him go now..the commitment to change would have fans more likely to attend, just to show the players their support and will be there for them next season with who ever is hired to coach them.
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« Reply #145 on: November 11, 2017, 01:53:18 pm »

People on Radio/TV have said firing the coach now (Before season end) will do no good.

I say people are not going to show up for the remaining home games, because they don't want to take the chance that their attendance, is in any measure, is perceived as support for BB to be retained.  If they let him go now..the commitment to change would have fans more likely to attend, just to show the players their support and will be there for them next season with who ever is hired to coach them.
Next 2 games will be full due to the freak show that U of A football has become. Everyone enjoys a circus and a car wreck. Get to see this entire staff coach their last two games at Arkansas.
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« Reply #146 on: November 11, 2017, 02:13:23 pm »

What is your source? Just a guess?

He has zero sources, and as much as it pains me, Gus has a lot of support to be on the Hill. I hope their new AD loves Gus and keeps him down on the Plains.
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« Reply #147 on: November 11, 2017, 02:28:22 pm »

That was in 2013, and since he's won 8, 7, and 8, games and this year he's won 7 and likely going to lose 2 of his next 3 and have another 8 win season.  Now I may be wrong, but I can't see how he is going to even be able to do that good at Arkansas given that his last 4 recruiting classes have been ranked 10th, 6th, 9th, and 6th, and ours were 22,23,29,23 nationally. He would be playing the exact same teams but with less talent. Hiring him makes no sense whatsoever. With a lot of candidates you can look at their body of work and try to guess how they may do here against the type of competition we face weekly. With Gus you already know exactly how he'll do, not very good.

I have read on this message board for quite sometime how this coach won't work and the other one would not be a good hire. And another one would split the fan base. So, I have three questions.

1. Is Arkansas a 1st tier or 2nd tier school?
2. How many games does a coach have to win on average for the fans to be happy enough to keep?
3. And Which coach would Arkansas have to hire for this to become a reality?
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Re: If BB gets the axe
« Reply #148 on: November 11, 2017, 02:35:15 pm »

He has zero sources, and as much as it pains me, Gus has a lot of support to be on the Hill. I hope their new AD loves Gus and keeps him down on the Plains.

Who supports Gus? You heard Paul Finebaum mention that it would be interesting, and you took that as the gospel. I donít know who theyíll hire, but it wonít be Gus.
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