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Collateral damage to Enos
« on: November 08, 2017, 01:57:28 pm »

Coming into the season, Enos was hitting everyone's radar for landing a major gig in the very near future.  He even may have had some mid-level feelers last year and was certainly on some SEC teams OC shortlist, if not for the non-compete.   

He turned BA into an NFLer and the offense was clicking (other than OL woes) when AA took over.  This year the OL is worse, he doesn't have an NFL TE, the WR core was young before JC went down, RB injuries, AA running for his life, AND a defense that is somehow even worse than last year's historically bad performance.   While much of that doesn't fall on his shoulders, I didn't see his calming influence on AA when things were going bad which was surprising. 

Since he has been here, we have found a way to outscore our terrible Defense often and pull out wins.  Maybe it's a function of the Bellyma self destruction and the whole team crying uncle.  Assuming Bert loses his job, that will also likely mean Enos isn't retained and he could be scrambling to take something vs. what I suspected would happen to him being able to be selective and take a higher profile job, like say TN or something on that level. 

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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2017, 01:59:44 pm »

I feel like when he leaves here after CBB is gone he will have some good offers. He’s a good OC, he just has too much to overcome here with CBB at the helm.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2017, 02:00:36 pm »

Bert is overruling him. Plus there's the history with Matt Canada. I doubt anyone is gonna fault him for the crap team here. Plus Anderson is a big reason the offense struggles a lot.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2017, 02:02:19 pm »

He will be okay. He has proven himself
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2017, 02:02:30 pm »

Either Bielema has been handcuffing him and affecting the calls made on the field or he is highly overrated, just my opinion. He has called some good games here and there but has made just as many puzzling decisions (End of the Mississippi State game when BA was on fire, jet sweeps inside the 5 yd line, and the 4th and 1 dribble pass, for instance)
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2017, 02:04:52 pm »

Enos is a fine OC in my opinion. I think he will have no problem landing on his feet.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2017, 02:09:37 pm »

I think he does really well in his preperation and game planning.  Not so sure about his on the fly adjustments.  But then again we were spoiled to Petrino's elite ability at that. 
    I don't fault him for plays that didn't work, because he has called a lot of crazy one's that did work over the last few years. You gotta take the good with the bad. I think he will be fine, and land a job somewhere and I wouldn't be too terribly upset if he somehow stayed after Beilema is gone.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2017, 02:15:00 pm »

I think a fine OC would have seen how bad our O line was in the off-season and made adjustments to scheme around it. Yes KA is the line coach but Enos is KAs boss so it is under Enos’ authority and obligation to field a good o line.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 02:16:15 pm »

I think a fine OC would have seen how bad our O line was in the off-season and made adjustments to scheme around it. Yes KA is the line coach but Enos is KAs boss so it is under Enos’ authority and obligation to field a good o line.
How would you "scheme" around it?
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 02:16:44 pm »

I think a fine OC would have seen how bad our O line was in the off-season and made adjustments to scheme around it. Yes KA is the line coach but Enos is KAs boss so it is under Enos’ authority and obligation to field a good o line.

A fine OC will continually struggle to make chicken darn into chicken salad. Our OL is a mess and Bret is responsible.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 02:20:46 pm »

It’s hard to judge any of these assistants with the possible exception of Anderson.  Fish rots from the head and like Petrino was able to make his weak staff look good, this coach makes assistants look bad.  Are they all world beaters?  No, probably not.  Are they as bad as they look?  Almost certainly not.

It is just a shoddy disorganized mess up there right now.  No one is going to triumph in that atmosphere.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 02:21:47 pm »

He needs to cut and run soon for his own self preservation.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 02:22:03 pm »

How would you "scheme" around it?

Not sure but he’s getting paid $800,000 to figure it out
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2017, 02:23:11 pm »

I feel like when he leaves here after CBB is gone he will have some good offers. He’s a good OC, he just has too much to overcome here with CBB at the helm.

Sure.  Look at his predecessor.  The coaches know what the problem is at Arkansas.  Is isn't Enos.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2017, 02:25:16 pm »

Sure.  Look at his predecessor.  The coaches know what the problem is at Arkansas.  Is isn't Enos.

I still believe that Chaney will eventually show why Chaney is terrible. Although with Georgia level talent maybe he won’t get desperate and call crappy plays repeatedly.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2017, 02:28:57 pm »

Most football coaches are able to identify what's wrong with the offense and it's not the OC. The avg. fan can detect what's blatantly wrong with the offense.

The day that Sam Pittman left for UGA was the day that the downfall started for the CBB era.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2017, 02:29:48 pm »

Enos is a fine OC in my opinion. I think he will have no problem landing on his feet.
Generally speaking Enos has done a pretty good job as an OC. Obviously this year has been pretty much a disaster; however, with that in mind one has to ask "Did Dan all of a sudden forget how to call plays and execute a sound game plan or is there other factors at work-such a very poor OL play and/or his struggling to find playmakers at places like WR ??? Personally I think it's likely the latter; and perhaps even a smattering of possible interference from the HC when it comes to play calling.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2017, 02:40:00 pm »

Not sure but he’s getting paid $800,000 to figure it out

You can't scheme around a bad o-line and beat competition (who might make more money than him, like that really matters) that doesn't have to scheme around theirs. 

At some point, they're just better and there's nothing he can do about that. 
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2017, 02:40:53 pm »

I fully believe that one reason Enos is so high on CK is that he has been able convince Bert that because of CK’s inexperience and his comfort with the shotgun to do more things from the shotgun and with spread principles.  Whereas with AA Bert insisted on a lot more under center and longer developing plays that got him killed.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 02:43:51 pm »

He will be fine and with all the HC jobs opening up will be in demand as an OC when HC builds his staff or could get a look as a G5 HC as those ranks are culled for better jobs. If GD Jim Honey Boo Boo can end up at GA then Dan Enos has nothing to worry about
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 02:45:33 pm »

I believe Enos and Chaney are good at their jobs.  I believe both were used.  I hope Enos isn't damaged enough to run his career.  Left alone and with a decent line coach, i suspect he could put a good offense on the field.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 03:03:06 pm »

Here's the bottom line... I don't get a sense that we can out-scheme anybody. And the fact that a few send ago, Enos said he forgot about getting Hammonds involved in the game, makes him very suspect to me. Also the inability to make in-game adjustments is killing this team. Maybe it's the bad leadership from the top, but no matter, this team is NEVER prepared.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 03:07:56 pm »


As bad as our offensive line is, our offense is still better than our defense.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 03:09:40 pm »

How would you "scheme" around it?
If all he was doing is scheming around a porous OL, then he might be able to do something. When your boss is constantly killing any momentum you build, limiting the use of play makers, etc, I don't know if anyone could overcome that.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 03:33:14 pm »

As bad as our offensive line is, our offense is still better than our defense.

Is this Rick Schaeffer?

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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2017, 03:46:26 pm »

As bad as our offensive line is, our offense is still better than our defense.
Now how's THAT for a "left handed compliment" ??? :-[
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2017, 03:51:16 pm »



The day that Sam Pittman left for UGA was the day that the downfall started for the CBB era.

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Well said Dave
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2017, 06:31:35 pm »

This might be Dan's best year. The fact we are averaging 30 points a game (55th nationally) with this God-awful OL, after losing our starting RB, our best starting WR, our All-American center, our starting QB, and our entire receiving core after last season is pretty impressive. Not to mention an incompetent HC who seems to insist on the playing and not-playing of certain players.

For comparison, we averaged 30.3 points per game last year and were 57th in scoring O. In 2015, we averaged 36 PPG and were 27th (that was obviously probably the best year, but we were also loaded. I am surprised we have scored as much as we have this year.)


I acknowledge our average could fall with the upcoming games, though that is no guarantee with MSU and Mizzou.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2017, 06:51:05 pm »

Either Bielema has been handcuffing him and affecting the calls made on the field or he is highly overrated, just my opinion. He has called some good games here and there but has made just as many puzzling decisions (End of the Mississippi State game when BA was on fire, jet sweeps inside the 5 yd line, and the 4th and 1 dribble pass, for instance)
All Bert, same crazy chit happened with Chaney.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2017, 08:02:29 pm »

Enos can take care of himself.  Will be in great demand everywhere.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2017, 08:13:03 pm »

This might be Dan's best year. The fact we are averaging 30 points a game (55th nationally) with this God-awful OL, after losing our starting RB, our best starting WR, our All-American center, our starting QB, and our entire receiving core after last season is pretty impressive. Not to mention an incompetent HC who seems to insist on the playing and not-playing of certain players.

For comparison, we averaged 30.3 points per game last year and were 57th in scoring O. In 2015, we averaged 36 PPG and were 27th (that was obviously probably the best year, but we were also loaded. I am surprised we have scored as much as we have this year.)


I acknowledge our average could fall with the upcoming games, though that is no guarantee with MSU and Mizzou.

Great post.
Very different and balanced take.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2017, 08:19:47 pm »

Enos offense has always sucked in the red zone
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2017, 09:05:23 pm »

I have to admit, I like Enos, and I actually thought that BB was going to lose to the Chantarella's last weekend, and he would likely be the interim.  I actually wanted to see how he would do, because I think we could do worse with our next hire than Enos as HC. 

Am I the only one who sort of had at least a little curiosity about how he might do?   
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2017, 09:07:01 pm »

How would you "scheme" around it?
like Mike Leach has for years. Like we will next year with mike.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2017, 09:08:55 pm »

like Mike Leach has for years. Like we will next year with mike.

You don’t really believe that do you?
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2017, 09:11:04 pm »

How would you "scheme" around it?


Run your offense from the punt formation?
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2017, 09:13:05 pm »

Enos offense has always sucked in the red zone


But we don't know just how much Bert interferes with what Enos wants to do.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2017, 09:20:48 pm »

The only 2 decent Coaches on this coaching staff (Enos and Lunney, Jr.) are now damaged.

One of the consequences of hiring from the Mediocre 10 Conference a Head Coach with a sham record.

Hopefully, Enos and Lunney, Jr. can salvage their coaching careers, perhaps in the Sun Belt Conference.   
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2017, 09:59:36 pm »

The only 2 decent Coaches on this coaching staff (Enos and Lunney, Jr.) are now damaged.

One of the consequences of hiring from the Mediocre 10 Conference a Head Coach with a sham record.

Hopefully, Enos and Lunney, Jr. can salvage their coaching careers, perhaps in the Sun Belt Conference.

They’ll both be at p5 jobs unless Enos is a head coach at a lower level.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2017, 10:01:52 pm »

The only 2 decent Coaches on this coaching staff (Enos and Lunney, Jr.) are now damaged.

One of the consequences of hiring from the Mediocre 10 Conference a Head Coach with a sham record.

Hopefully, Enos and Lunney, Jr. can salvage their coaching careers, perhaps in the Sun Belt Conference.

Our TEs have progressed horribly, I sold all my Lunney stock.Having 3 nfl TEs in Henry, Derby, and Gragg made his job easy.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2017, 10:37:02 pm »

Enos is a fine OC in my opinion. I think he will have no problem landing on his feet.

 Who knows he may be back someday too...
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2017, 10:44:46 pm »

I feel like when he leaves here after CBB is gone he will have some good offers. He’s a good OC, he just has too much to overcome here with CBB at the helm.

How do y'all account for alot of the bone headed play calling we see at times?  Are you going to tell me that Bielema over rules Enos on all the bone headed ones?
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2017, 10:52:02 pm »

This might be Dan's best year. The fact we are averaging 30 points a game (55th nationally) with this God-awful OL, after losing our starting RB, our best starting WR, our All-American center, our starting QB, and our entire receiving core after last season is pretty impressive. Not to mention an incompetent HC who seems to insist on the playing and not-playing of certain players.

For comparison, we averaged 30.3 points per game last year and were 57th in scoring O. In 2015, we averaged 36 PPG and were 27th (that was obviously probably the best year, but we were also loaded. I am surprised we have scored as much as we have this year.)


I acknowledge our average could fall with the upcoming games, though that is no guarantee with MSU and Mizzou.

Hadn't looked past the terrible record to see we are scoring points.   Good post.  He certainly has less to work with...whatever tard made the comment about his salary vs the terrible OL has no clue.  One weak link can be schemed around.  2 is almost impossible, especially if they are on the same side.  Having 4, even with an All-American at Center severely limits most play calls.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2017, 10:59:53 pm »

Am I the only one who sort of had at least a little curiosity about how he might do?   

I would rather have him than the majority of the names that those proclaiming to be "in-the-know" keep throwing around.  Especially since I don't think we bid enough to win the Norvell sweepstakes.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2017, 11:15:13 pm »

How do y'all account for alot of the bone headed play calling we see at times?  Are you going to tell me that Bielema over rules Enos on all the bone headed ones?

Bone head plays are just ones that don't work...
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2017, 11:51:12 pm »


The day that Sam Pittman left for UGA was the day that the downfall started for the CBB era.



Well said Dave

Sam Pittman didn't leave for Georgia. He went to a directional Florida school THEN went to Georgia, right?
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2017, 08:08:19 am »

Sam Pittman didn't leave for Georgia. He went to a directional Florida school THEN went to Georgia, right?

Nope.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2017, 08:15:24 am »

Our Oline HAS regressed under Anderson. But it wasn't great under Pittman, either.

If reports are correct, Enos and Bielema don't see eye to eye on planning....but the offense has sucked since Enos got here, so I'm not dazzled by him, either way.

I think everyone on our staff takes a hit on their resume'. I think it's likely they deserve it.
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2017, 08:19:24 am »

Our Oline HAS regressed under Anderson. But it wasn't great under Pittman, either.

If reports are correct, Enos and Bielema don't see eye to eye on planning....but the offense has sucked since Enos got here, so I'm not dazzled by him, either way.

I think everyone on our staff takes a hit on their resume'. I think it's likely they deserve it.

The offense has NOT sucked under Enos.  Where do you get that from?  It's not true statistically, won us the games that we have won, and has showcased the talent we do have very well.  Unfortunately our OL stinks and it's hampered this year terribly bad because of it. 
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Re: Collateral damage to Enos
« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2017, 08:28:53 am »

I was finally bored enough last night that I watched "The Bret Bielema Show" I had recorded.  I initially believed B when he said he let his OC's coach without interference.  I no longer believe that after seeing several instances over the past five years where he's said conflicting things about why a specific play was called.  Just last night he said in the final TD drive he said to put Hammonds in and run the sweep.  He also said on the final drive that he told Enos he had four downs all the way and that he didn't care whether he ran or passed the ball on every play.  That tells me he's given Enos specific directions in the past that have handcuffed what Enos might have otherwise called if he were given complete freedom.  B may not be calling the plays on every down, but there's no doubt in my mind he's given instructions to Enos how plays should be mixed and matched.  Add to that, I believe B is the one who says who will play or not play on both sides of the ball and how many snaps an individual may or may not get.  I've seen several instances where Bielema loves to tinker and I think it's negatively affected Enos and possibly Rhodes natural tendencies.

There's no doubt in my mind that coaches on offense have been told they will get a certain amount of carries to D. Williams and Whaley.  I believe that's one of the reasons it took Hammonds so long to get any meaningful snaps. 
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Fox 16 Arkansas