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Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« on: November 05, 2017, 09:48:29 am »

I personally think itís easier to build a good offense here than defense because of the in state talent draw.  But, my lord the defense is terrible.  What do you guys think?
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 10:00:01 am »

What sense does it make to fire BOTH your HC and AD at the same time?? Do you realize how long that will take to fill both positions and how all of the candidates we are discussing will be long gone? I get that CBB needs to go, it just didn't work. Why the disgust and vile hate for Jeff Long is beside me. I just don't quite understand it. We've got some real haters on this panel. I wish you people would find another team.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 10:03:46 am »

Mizzou has a defensive head coach, yet a good offense. It really doesn't matter. You need a leader. I'd take Norvell, Morris, or Venables.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2017, 10:04:40 am »

Convinced our best hope is to outscore folks.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2017, 10:14:43 am »

Venables is the only defensive Asst out there I can get behind.

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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2017, 10:58:28 am »

Dave Doeren, a defensive coach, hired Eliah Drinkwitz who is a great offensive mind.  IMO, if you can just recruit a good defensive line, then you take a ton pressure off the back side.  That's what Doeren has done along with a pretty good offense. We can do that at Arkansas.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2017, 11:00:32 am »

The way the game is played now, it's easier to gameplan to outscore opponents than it is to stop them. It's also a lot easier to recruit offensive players than it is defensive. Typically, your defensive guys are going to need a year or two of development before they are ready make real contributions. You can get offensive guys that are ready to go immediately.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2017, 01:35:46 pm »

Dave Doeren, a defensive coach, hired Eliah Drinkwitz who is a great offensive mind.  IMO, if you can just recruit a good defensive line, then you take a ton pressure off the back side.  That's what Doeren has done along with a pretty good offense. We can do that at Arkansas.

Doeren is Bret Bielemaís best friend. He wonít take this job after we fire Bret
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 02:05:30 pm »

Give me an offensive-minded coach. Really all I want is a 8-win team that is fun to watch. And that doesn't embarrass itself against lesser opponents like Bert has done so so often.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2017, 07:45:20 pm »

Doeren is Bret Bielemaís best friend. He wonít take this job after we fire Bret
I was only speaking to how a defensive minded coach can just hire a talented coordinator.  No way Doeren would take the Ark job.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 07:49:30 pm »

Defense minded.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 11:45:41 pm »

You teach offense but recruit defense.  We have to recruit stud defensive players to stop the run and CBs who can man up.  If we continue to finish in the bottom 3 or 4 teams in the SEC in recruiting we will not be able to compete in conference games on a consistent basis.  Have to find a HC and staff who can recruit and get us to the middle of the pack in recruiting which gives us a chance to be in top half in performance with player development. 
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2017, 06:26:13 am »

We need to go the TCU route on defense....speed, aggression and more speed.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 06:40:04 am »

Give me an offensive-minded coach. Really all I want is a 8-win team that is fun to watch. And that doesn't embarrass itself against lesser opponents like Bert has done so so often.

I'm with you there for the most part.  The great thing about a gun slingin' offense is that you're never out of a game.  That's what I loved about Petrino's team.  I never turned a game off because we always had a chance to come back.  8 wins per year and jump up to 10 or 11 every few years when everything bounces our way, would be just fine with me.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2017, 06:41:27 am »

Offense


Not at Big10 plodder one either
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2017, 07:59:41 am »

Speed and quickness minded. I don't care if we win 14-10 or 48-45. Give me playmakers who will make it happen.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2017, 01:40:27 pm »

I think it kinda depends on what your expectations are for the program.  I think itís easier to build a competitive team trying to outscore someone.  If you want to a team that has a chance to win the conference you better have a good defense though.  The last 15 years Arkansas has been able to score but the main issue has been on the defensive side.  You can bring an a offensive or defensive mind as a HC and they can still bring in great coordinators for the other side of the ball.  Another thing is it seems like Arkansas doesnít produce as many SEC defensive players.  Thatís why I lean a little more toward a defensive mind and hope he hires a offensive genius to run the offense.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2017, 01:51:31 pm »

I was only speaking to how a defensive minded coach can just hire a talented coordinator.  No way Doeren would take the Ark job.

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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2017, 01:52:13 pm »

Mizzou has a defensive head coach, yet a good offense. It really doesn't matter. You need a leader. I'd take Norvell, Morris, or Venables.

Yep next guy needs to be high energy and willing to go out and sell the program to fans and recruits regardless if he has a defensive or offensive background.  Gary Patterson was a defensive guy but his teams have been known for dynamic offenses as well.  Stoops was a DC before going to OU but has had some very good OCs as well, Mike Leach, Mark Mangino in the early years.  Venables knows the importance of a dynamic offense in modern football.
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Re: Defensive minded or offensive minded head coach?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 11:23:00 am »

Yep next guy needs to be high energy and willing to go out and sell the program to fans and recruits regardless if he has a defensive or offensive background.  Gary Patterson was a defensive guy but his teams have been known for dynamic offenses as well.  Stoops was a DC before going to OU but has had some very good OCs as well, Mike Leach, Mark Mangino in the early years.  Venables knows the importance of a dynamic offense in modern football.

Good point
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