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Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« on: October 29, 2017, 05:00:22 pm »

With the news that McElwain is all but gone,  after being at Florida three years,  and taking the gators to the East Title two out of three of those years it got me wondering if SEC coaches are giving impossible expectations. It's been rumored that Gus Malzahn might be fired,  and he has done very well at Auburn,  including taking them to a National Championship and the sugar bowl two out of the three years he has been there. They also fired Gene Chizik after year 4, when he had previously went bowling every year,  including winning the National Championship.  Les Miles was fired - who did excellent at LSU:  In his 12 years there,  he went bowling every year,  including Two BCS Championships (Winning one of them)  and a sugar bowl, two cotton bowls.  Out of the 12 bowls,  he won 8 of them.

Mark Richt went bowling 14 times out of his 15 years at Georgia,  including two sugar bowls.   Of course, him and Les were coaches a while, but they still were great coaches that did excellent and were fired. Mark Richt is now doing well at Miami.   Now, it seems like coaches are expected to start winning championships in year three,  and every year after that, or they are on the hot seat.   Kevin Sumlin is another one.  I have heard he might be fired.  He has went bowling every year - including a cotton bowl.  I know he hasn't done spectacular - but fired, really?

It just seems to me that the expectations and pressure on coaches in the SEC are ridiculous.  If I were a coach, I am not sure I would even want to come to the SEC at this point.

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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 05:09:44 pm »

Nick's Success at Bama made everyone uptight!
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 05:10:35 pm »

With big money comes big expectations. Coaches know what they're getting into. However, with pay everywhere going up, some may choose not to participate at some of the crazier schools. We'll see I guess.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 05:11:41 pm »

Nick's Success at Bama made everyone uptight!

This is the bottom line. It's the Cold War thing. If your opponent has a massive army with nukes at their disposal... you gotta keep pace or risk being annihilated. Saban's presence makes everyone trigger happy.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 05:15:20 pm »

No. 
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 05:15:23 pm »

Arkansas doesn't.....
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 05:22:14 pm »

Arkansas doesn't.....
No we keep them to long, waiting to long to fire Jon Pelphry was a big part in fans losing interest in Razorback Basketball and most fans have not come back.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 05:24:18 pm »

We have had ours for going on 5 years and he has a losing record, so no.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 05:31:00 pm »

I would say that I am surprised that Fl was the first team to fire their coach.  I thought Butch Jones would be the first to go and CBB would be a close 2nd at the end of the season.  Now I'm sure TN will let CBJ go within the next two weeks.  I'm a TN Alum and all my Vol friends are in full meltdown mode.  Most are saying their biggest concern is that they can't afford a big buyout and a competitive salary for a new coach.  Many think we are in a much better place financially.  Not sure I agree.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 05:31:47 pm »

Some schools have a quick trigger, not us.
We'll still have CBB this time next year and he'll still have a losing SEC record.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 05:34:24 pm »

Some schools have a quick trigger, not us.
We'll still have CBB this time next year and he'll still have a losing SEC record.

I would not bet the farm 🚜 on that.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 05:37:12 pm »

Some schools have a quick trigger, not us.
We'll still have CBB this time next year and he'll still have a losing SEC record.

Since he's more than 8 games under .500, that's not going out on a limb.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2017, 05:37:42 pm »

With the news that McElwain is all but gone,  after being at Florida three years,  and taking the gators to the East Title two out of three of those years it got me wondering if SEC coaches are giving impossible expectations. It's been rumored that Gus Malzahn might be fired,  and he has done very well at Auburn,  including taking them to a National Championship and the sugar bowl two out of the three years he has been there. They also fired Gene Chizik after year 4, when he had previously went bowling every year,  including winning the National Championship.  Les Miles was fired - who did excellent at LSU:  In his 12 years there,  he went bowling every year,  including Two BCS Championships (Winning one of them)  and a sugar bowl, two cotton bowls.  Out of the 12 bowls,  he won 8 of them.

Mark Richt went bowling 14 times out of his 15 years at Georgia,  including two sugar bowls.   Of course, him and Les were coaches a while, but they still were great coaches that did excellent and were fired. Mark Richt is now doing well at Miami.   Now, it seems like coaches are expected to start winning championships in year three,  and every year after that, or they are on the hot seat.   Kevin Sumlin is another one.  I have heard he might be fired.  He has went bowling every year - including a cotton bowl.  I know he hasn't done spectacular - but fired, really?

It just seems to me that the expectations and pressure on coaches in the SEC are ridiculous.  If I were a coach, I am not sure I would even want to come to the SEC at this point.


As long as these school offer ungodly amounts of money, there will be a long line of applicants.
Sign a contract and become an instant multi-millionaire.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 05:40:04 pm »

Arkansas doesn't.....

The fix is easy: Put a restriction i the next coach's contract to deduct $1M each time he says he's turning the corner.

Bret Bielema and "turning the corner" 110,000 references as of 10/29/2017.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 05:41:24 pm »

our chancellor, steinmetz, who spent time at ohio state has commented, "at ohio state you got 2 years. it's been FIVE."
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2017, 06:14:04 pm »

our chancellor, steinmetz, who spent time at ohio state has commented, "at ohio state you got 2 years. it's been FIVE."

God I hope that is an accurate quote.  That for the first time gives me hope for the future.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2017, 06:18:19 pm »

No, and some don't fire them quick enough.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2017, 06:29:28 pm »

Most SEC programs care more about winning than offering on the job training programs for employees they are paying a few million dollars per year.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2017, 06:45:23 pm »

With the news that McElwain is all but gone,  after being at Florida three years,  and taking the gators to the East Title two out of three of those years it got me wondering if SEC coaches are giving impossible expectations. It's been rumored that Gus Malzahn might be fired,  and he has done very well at Auburn,  including taking them to a National Championship and the sugar bowl two out of the three years he has been there. They also fired Gene Chizik after year 4, when he had previously went bowling every year,  including winning the National Championship.  Les Miles was fired - who did excellent at LSU:  In his 12 years there,  he went bowling every year,  including Two BCS Championships (Winning one of them)  and a sugar bowl, two cotton bowls.  Out of the 12 bowls,  he won 8 of them.

Mark Richt went bowling 14 times out of his 15 years at Georgia,  including two sugar bowls.   Of course, him and Les were coaches a while, but they still were great coaches that did excellent and were fired. Mark Richt is now doing well at Miami.   Now, it seems like coaches are expected to start winning championships in year three,  and every year after that, or they are on the hot seat.   Kevin Sumlin is another one.  I have heard he might be fired.  He has went bowling every year - including a cotton bowl.  I know he hasn't done spectacular - but fired, really?

It just seems to me that the expectations and pressure on coaches in the SEC are ridiculous.  If I were a coach, I am not sure I would even want to come to the SEC at this point.


No. Look how much they get paid...other than maybe Arkansas and Vandy, winning football games is of utmost importance. They know what they are signing up for.

Those schools you are referencing? They want to win and are serious about it. Cant win enough games? Cant win a championship? We don't want you and will pay someone else to give it a try. That's the attitude of the SEC.

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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2017, 06:49:40 pm »

I would not bet the farm 🚜 on that.

I have the farm and Grandpa's farm that Jeff and Bret will still be here in Oct. 2018


As bad as you want Jeff gone, he ain't leaving nor is Bret. This has been a 6 year program from the start.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2017, 06:55:28 pm »

I have the farm and Grandpa's farm that Jeff and Bret will still be here in Oct. 2018


As bad as you want Jeff gone, he ain't leaving nor is Bret. This has been a 6 year program from the start.
This won't surprise me one bit. Two or three weeks ago this was THE word. I don't think most people understand our current culture and how we are the exact opposite of a Florida or Alabama in terms of what is important to the people that make decisions. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2017, 07:12:15 pm »

This won't surprise me one bit. Two or three weeks ago this was THE word. I don't think most people understand our current culture and how we are the exact opposite of a Florida or Alabama in terms of what is important to the people that make decisions. 

Then we might as well move to the Sun Belt Conference.

When you are in a cutthroat conference, a 6 year plan of mediocrity is not feasible.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2017, 07:19:36 pm »

our chancellor, steinmetz, who spent time at ohio state has commented, "at ohio state you got 2 years. it's been FIVE."
Maybe he needs to go first.
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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2017, 07:21:49 pm »

This won't surprise me one bit. Two or three weeks ago this was THE word. I don't think most people understand our current culture and how we are the exact opposite of a Florida or Alabama in terms of what is important to the people that make decisions.


As bad as I hate it, it is true.

Coaching pool doesn't favor us
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2017, 07:38:19 pm »

People need to quit using bowl games as a measure on a teams or coaches success.

Half of all D1 teams go to a bowl game.  Half.

Going to a bowl might be nice for the players but it's certainly not indicative of a teams success. 

It just means they were mediocre or above.  At a decent football program, going to a bowl game every year should be automatic.
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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2017, 07:40:11 pm »

People need to quit using bowl games as a measure on a teams or coaches success.

Half of all D1 teams go to a bowl game.  Half.

Going to a bowl might be nice for the players but it's certainly not indicative of a teams success. 

It just means they were mediocre or above.  At a decent football program, going to a bowl game every year should be automatic.
I'm pretty sure it's more than half.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2017, 07:46:32 pm »


As bad as I hate it, it is true.

Coaching pool doesn't favor us
Why doesn't it? It favors us the same as it does any other P5 school. Or is it the poor little Arkiesaw card? 
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2017, 07:58:42 pm »

I'm pretty sure it's more than half.


You're right.

I had it mind that the number of bowl teams was around 67-68 out of 130 FBS teams.  After looking it up, last year there were 41 bowls, 82 teams, so almost 2/3rds of teams go bowling.
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Re: Does the SEC fire coaches too quickly?
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2017, 08:32:27 pm »

I have the farm and Grandpa's farm that Jeff and Bret will still be here in Oct. 2018


As bad as you want Jeff gone, he ain't leaving nor is Bret. This has been a 6 year program from the start.
. I hate it, but I know you are correct. After all the yelling and screaming we will have the same AD and coach next year. If you want change STOP donating and buying tickets! Changes only occur when itís absolutely obvious fans are not supporting a loser program anymore!
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2017, 08:48:46 pm »

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