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Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« on: October 29, 2017, 03:01:42 pm »

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/tennessee-football-vols-butch-jones-future-1029
 University of Tennessee officials are discussing Butch Jones’ immediate future as coach of the Vols on Sunday afternoon, according to sources close to the program.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2017, 03:02:07 pm »

Hahahahahahaha



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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2017, 03:02:11 pm »

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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2017, 03:03:41 pm »

I despise Tennessee, but I was rooting for them to beat Kentucky last night so they might reconsider and keep Jones.  Doesn't look like there's even a possibility of that now.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2017, 03:06:12 pm »

They want a chance to hire a coach before Florida..
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2017, 03:08:41 pm »

While at Arkansas....
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2017, 03:12:11 pm »

Somebody is going to beat us to norvell.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2017, 03:12:52 pm »

While at Arkansas....



To be fair if he would have lost yesterday it may have happened.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2017, 03:15:57 pm »

I despise Tennessee, but I was rooting for them to beat Kentucky last night so they might reconsider and keep Jones.  Doesn't look like there's even a possibility of that now.
Word I heard from over in east Tennessee was there was no way they were going to seriously consider retaining Jones even had they manage to beat UK. They're ready to "clean house" and start over.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2017, 03:18:09 pm »

Somebody is going to beat us to norvell.
No one will beat anybody to Norvell. He'll wait until the end of the season and then field offers.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2017, 03:20:01 pm »

Coaches will wait until the end of their season, then sell their services to the highest bidder.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2017, 03:20:58 pm »

Coaches will wait until the end of their season, then sell their services to the highest bidder.
Not anymore with the new signing date for Recruiting in December.. 
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2017, 03:25:58 pm »

Not anymore with the new signing date for Recruiting in December.. 


So a coach is going to leave his current school 4 weeks early?

I'll say this

Arkansas, Flordia and Tennessee (and whoever else has an opening) will all make their hires that later part of the first week in December or into the second week.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2017, 03:27:02 pm »

No one will beat anybody to Norvell. He'll wait until the end of the season and then field offers.

As will every other sitting coach
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2017, 03:38:15 pm »

They want a chance to hire a coach before Florida..
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2017, 04:24:06 pm »

While at Arkansas....

Then we hire Paul Rhodes or enos as interim. The players fall in love with the “players coach” Bs. Jeff loves it. And we keep the interim for next year.


No. No. No. let the season play out if indeed he is going to be fired. I don’t want an interim. Florida will retain Shannon as head coach. Just watch.



But I honestly feel like B will get another year.
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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2017, 04:38:26 pm »

Then we hire Paul Rhodes or enos as interim. The players fall in love with the “players coach” Bs. Jeff loves it. And we keep the interim for next year.


No. No. No. let the season play out if indeed he is going to be fired. I don’t want an interim. Florida will retain Shannon as head coach. Just watch.



But I honestly feel like B will get another year.

I agree with most of this except Randy Shannon.  FL doesn’t want a defensive minded coach at this point.  Someone who might retain him as DC?  Sure.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2017, 09:30:19 pm »

I want Shannon back on our Staff!
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2017, 09:33:24 pm »

Word I heard from over in east Tennessee was there was no way they were going to seriously consider retaining Jones even had they manage to beat UK. They're ready to "clean house" and start over.


Matt Campbell come on down.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2017, 09:39:27 pm »

Somebody is going to beat us to norvell.
That's right, Long should be trying to sell Norvell on the Arkansas job right now. The season is already ruined, we have 1 sure victory left.  We need to forget about this year and plan for the future.
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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2017, 08:39:50 am »

If we “offer” Norvell comparable money, I would be willing to bet he chooses us over Florida or Tennessee.  For all those who say our expectations are out of whack, look at those fan bases and tell me what you see?  For Christ sake, who wants a job where your expectations are so high you are fired halfway into your third year when you can make the same money at a program where, even though the coach is a failure, some idiots want to give him a sixth year?  Norvell is from Texas, has Arkansas ties and knows we’ll build a statue to him for what Florida would fire him over.  Now, I know once upon a time it was different.  However, when was the last time Florida, LSU or Tennessee managed to hire a BIG name and why do you think that is?  Coaches aren’t stupid.  They do factor expectations, stability and longevity into their decisions.
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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2017, 08:49:59 am »

That's right, Long should be trying to sell Norvell on the Arkansas job right now. The season is already ruined, we have 1 sure victory left.  We need to forget about this year and plan for the future.

Norvell most likely wouldn't talk directly to Jeff Long at this juncture so Long would have to talk to Norvell's agent and let him talk to Norvell privately.
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2017, 08:52:27 am »

Not anymore with the new signing date for Recruiting in December..

Anybody leaving 4 weeks early will get labeled as a bad guy for leaving his current players in the middle of the season.  The former school will bad mouth it to the press. The fans of the former team will spew venom.  Some players will suddenly remember bad stories about their now gone coach.
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2017, 08:54:11 am »

If we “offer” Norvell comparable money, I would be willing to bet he chooses us over Florida or Tennessee.  For all those who say our expectations are out of whack, look at those fan bases and tell me what you see?  For Christ sake, who wants a job where your expectations are so high you are fired halfway into your third year when you can make the same money at a program where, even though the coach is a failure, some idiots want to give him a sixth year?  Norvell is from Texas, has Arkansas ties and knows we’ll build a statue to him for what Florida would fire him over.  Now, I know once upon a time it was different.  However, when was the last time Florida, LSU or Tennessee managed to hire a BIG name and why do you think that is?  Coaches aren’t stupid.  They do factor expectations, stability and longevity into their decisions.

The answer is recruiting base.  If all the schools will fire you for not winning, best to go to the school that has twice the recruiting base.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2017, 08:58:07 am »

That's right, Long should be trying to sell Norvell on the Arkansas job right now. The season is already ruined, we have 1 sure victory left.  We need to forget about this year and plan for the future.

1.  I'm not ready to tell Allen, Bijhon, and other seniors we're forgetting about the rest of this year.
2.  Norvell ain't coming to Arkansas unless the bigger names go ahead an pass. Norvell has done well enough that someone else will offer him.  He's smart enough not to say yes immediately, before finding out who else is interested. He knows what Arkansas' recruiting base is.
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2017, 08:59:08 am »

Florida ain't as easy as it was a when Miami was down and it was Florida and FSU.  Their facilities are now officially crap and are worse than every SEC school except Vandy.  They are just about the only Big 5 team in the country without an indoor facility.  UCF and USF now have better facilities and Miami is good again.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2017, 08:59:25 am »

Bye Butch.
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2017, 09:01:46 am »

The answer is recruiting base.  If all the schools will fire you for not winning, best to go to the school that has twice the recruiting base.

Haven't you heard, recruiting base does not matter, just gotta get players that "want it" more.
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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2017, 09:02:33 am »

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2017, 09:05:21 am »

1.  I'm not ready to tell Allen, Bijhon, and other seniors we're forgetting about the rest of this year.
2.  Norvell ain't coming to Arkansas unless the bigger names go ahead an pass. Norvell has done well enough that someone else will offer him.  He's smart enough not to say yes immediately, before finding out who else is interested. He knows what Arkansas' recruiting base is.

Firing Bielema isn't telling the seniors we are forgetting about the rest of the year. With his record, you would be telling the seniors that you care about the rest of the year.
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2017, 09:10:32 am »

Anybody leaving 4 weeks early will get labeled as a bad guy for leaving his current players in the middle of the season.  The former school will bad mouth it to the press. The fans of the former team will spew venom.  Some players will suddenly remember bad stories about their now gone coach.

If Long privately talks to Norvell's agent and arranges a deal with Norvell under the table and Norvell accepts privately through his agent, Long can then announce that CBB will not be retained after the regular season ends and say nothing more. Then after the Memphis Tigers last game is over, Long can ask UM for permission to talk to Norvell about the job and officially offer it to him. Norvell would officially accept, a press conference would be quickly be arranged where he would be introduced and get immediately to work solidifying the recruiting class for the early signing period.
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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2017, 09:12:43 am »

If Long privately talks to Norvell's agent and arranges a deal with Norvell under the table and Norvell accepts privately through his agent, Long can then announce that CBB will not be retained after the regular season ends and say nothing more. Then after the Memphis Tigers last game is over, Long can ask UM for permission to talk to Norvell about the job and officially offer it to him. Norvell would officially accept, a press conference would be quickly be arranged where he would be introduced and get immediately to work solidifying the recruiting class for the early signing period.

I feel like this may be what is happening behind the scenes. 
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2017, 09:17:54 am »

No reports they fired the Tinner coach yet.
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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2017, 09:18:00 am »

If Long privately talks to Norvell's agent and arranges a deal with Norvell under the table and Norvell accepts privately through his agent, Long can then announce that CBB will not be retained after the regular season ends and say nothing more. Then after the Memphis Tigers last game is over, Long can ask UM for permission to talk to Norvell about the job and officially offer it to him. Norvell would officially accept, a press conference would be quickly be arranged where he would be introduced and get immediately to work solidifying the recruiting class for the early signing period.

Then why announce early that BB will not be retained. IF all the other hypotheticals happen, and IF Norvell has "accepted" or said he will accept when offered, just do it like it is usually done. Everyone plays their last game of the regular season, BB gets let go, Norvell gets offered and accepts.
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2017, 09:21:31 am »

Yep most will set back and let FLA look like the bad guys.
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2017, 09:24:43 am »

No one will beat anybody to Norvell. He'll wait until the end of the season and then field offers.


Its the old I'm not  talking to that school answer but I bet his agent is.
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2017, 09:26:46 am »

Its the old I'm not  talking to that school answer but I bet his agent is.

Which is one reason to have an agent.

With as many schools that it looks like will be looking for a new coach, I doubt anyone jumps on any job very early. Just in the SEC alone it could be as many as 6 schools.
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2017, 09:27:26 am »

If Long privately talks to Norvell's agent and arranges a deal with Norvell under the table and Norvell accepts privately through his agent, Long can then announce that CBB will not be retained after the regular season ends and say nothing more. Then after the Memphis Tigers last game is over, Long can ask UM for permission to talk to Norvell about the job and officially offer it to him. Norvell would officially accept, a press conference would be quickly be arranged where he would be introduced and get immediately to work solidifying the recruiting class for the early signing period.

Beat me to it if.   That is if we have an opening and that is who is targeted.  We ought to know by now that the smoke about anyone is probable intentional leaking to distract from what is really happening.
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2017, 09:30:06 am »

Which is one reason to have an agent.

With as many schools that it looks like will be looking for a new coach, I doubt anyone jumps on any job very early. Just in the SEC alone it could be as many as 6 schools.

Only way that a coach would jump early is if it was the ideal situation. 
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2017, 09:32:37 am »

Only way that a coach would jump early is if it was the ideal situation. 

IF a school just fired a coach for not winning enough games, it is not an "ideal" situation.
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2017, 09:34:48 am »

If we “offer” Norvell comparable money, I would be willing to bet he chooses us over Florida or Tennessee.  For all those who say our expectations are out of whack, look at those fan bases and tell me what you see?  For Christ sake, who wants a job where your expectations are so high you are fired halfway into your third year when you can make the same money at a program where, even though the coach is a failure, some idiots want to give him a sixth year?  Norvell is from Texas, has Arkansas ties and knows we’ll build a statue to him for what Florida would fire him over.  Now, I know once upon a time it was different.  However, when was the last time Florida, LSU or Tennessee managed to hire a BIG name and why do you think that is?  Coaches aren’t stupid.  They do factor expectations, stability and longevity into their decisions.

Exaggerations.

None of these programs expectations are out of whack. 

McElwain didn't just lose the job because of on the field. 

Butch on the field has been unacceptable by any of our standards especially when considering their recruiting.  They had an opportunity with UGa and Florida being down and couldn't step up. 

An Arkansas coach going 7-5 and 8-4 will not make past 4-5 seasons with a happy fan base.  They may have enough support to keep their job.  And if we get into another coach for life situation, they may stay for a while longer especially if they don't go Dale and screw it up. 
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 09:56:25 am »

1.  I'm not ready to tell Allen, Bijhon, and other seniors we're forgetting about the rest of this year.
2.  Norvell ain't coming to Arkansas unless the bigger names go ahead an pass. Norvell has done well enough that someone else will offer him.  He's smart enough not to say yes immediately, before finding out who else is interested. He knows what Arkansas' recruiting base is.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2017, 10:10:34 am »

Florida ain't as easy as it was a when Miami was down and it was Florida and FSU.  Their facilities are now officially crap and are worse than every SEC school except Vandy.  They are just about the only Big 5 team in the country without an indoor facility.  UCF and USF now have better facilities and Miami is good again.


Florida does have an indoor practice facility and has had for a few years. Georgia was the last SEC team not to have a practice facility and they just built one.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2017, 10:11:34 am »

Florida does have an indoor practice facility and has had for a few years. Georgia was the last SEC team not to have a practice facility and they just built one.

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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2017, 10:13:16 am »

Florida does have an indoor practice facility and has had for a few years. Georgia was the last SEC team not to have a practice facility and they just built one.

Aside from Vanderbilt and maybe Missouri, everybody in the SEC has Taj Mahal facilities now.  I mean, how much more can you pamper athletes? 
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2017, 10:13:25 am »

I think they made up their minds several games ago and I just bet you he knows what they will tell him.     I thought they would wait until after the season.

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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2017, 10:13:47 am »

If Long privately talks to Norvell's agent and arranges a deal with Norvell under the table and Norvell accepts privately through his agent, Long can then announce that CBB will not be retained after the regular season ends and say nothing more. Then after the Memphis Tigers last game is over, Long can ask UM for permission to talk to Norvell about the job and officially offer it to him. Norvell would officially accept, a press conference would be quickly be arranged where he would be introduced and get immediately to work solidifying the recruiting class for the early signing period.

So you constantly skewer Long saying he doesn't have integrity yet you then want him to do something like that which would show a lack of it when trying to hire someone. Only you can come up with something that ironic.
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Re: Tennessee meeting this afternoon on Butch...
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2017, 10:15:02 am »

Aside from Vanderbilt and maybe Missouri, everybody in the SEC has Taj Mahal facilities now.  I mean, how much more can you pamper athletes? 

They basically live for 4-5 years in all-inclusive, taxpayer-funded resorts.
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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2017, 10:16:46 am »

Aside from Vanderbilt and maybe Missouri, everybody in the SEC has Taj Mahal facilities now.  I mean, how much more can you pamper athletes? 

Pay them I guess.  That is what it will take to make some happy but do give them a percentage of jersey sales or percentage of the gate or just give them all about the same like what I hear they are doing now.
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2017, 10:18:25 am »

Ok

They also have plans for a new football facility like we and others have built with new locker, meeting, training rooms and offices. Estimates between $60 to $100 million.
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