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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #100 on: October 25, 2017, 10:58:48 pm »

Hopefully Tuberville wouldn't bail out on a donor during a banquet or meeting:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/12/12/tommy-tuberville-texas-tech-cincinnati/1763615/


Wished Jeff would leave that quick....
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #101 on: October 25, 2017, 11:08:00 pm »


Unfortunately the only thing it’s showcased in the last 6 years is how much they own us.

Troof

Our SEC record over the last 6 years,  indicates that most SEC teams.....own us.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #102 on: October 25, 2017, 11:32:09 pm »

This program would be a lot better off if Tommy were AD. It would have been a lot better off if Tommy had been hired instead of HDN.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #103 on: October 25, 2017, 11:34:30 pm »

Umm someone tell Tommy, Steve Spurrier, Urban Myer, Les Myles, Phil Fulmer, Mark Ritch were all offensive guys.  Just to name a few.

And Muschamp and Chizik, two huge fails, were defensive. I would also argue Gus, Petrino, Sumlin, Mullen, Franklin (not sure here) are all offensive-minded but also great coaches. Keeping Miss State and A&M at 8 wins year in and year out, sometimes more than 8, is an incredible job in itself.

As far as "out coaching" someone in the SEC, that is PRECISELY how LSU lost to Troy, how Toledo beat Arkansas, and how so many underdogs have beaten far greater talent.

Day in and day out, you need quality depth but Houston Nutt was neither great strategist nor supplied with superior talent and he won many more games that the current coach. So coaching matters a great deal. Or, maybe Mullen and Sumlin have recruited much better than their predecessors. Likely, it's a combination of both but both are also good offensive minds.

Lastly, Saban may be a "defensive-minded" coach but his teams have actually had an offensive shift the last few years. Defense, sure, clock control, sure, but SCORE also. 

Defense wins championships. But offense wins games. No score, no win. If your defense gives up a single field goal, and you can not score, you LOSE despite your great defense.

SCORE. It's the only way to win if the other team also scores.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #104 on: October 25, 2017, 11:47:52 pm »

What I don't get about the "we need a good ole Arkansas boy" mindset.  Who was the last good ole Arkansas boy that took us to the top?

Ken Hatfield says "howdy",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2017, 12:13:45 am »

Ken Hatfield says "howdy",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The reason Ken Hatfield was hired over Jimmy Johnson is because he was wining at the AF academy with 2 and 3 star smaller players. I remember reading Orville Henry's article and he went into great deal about the reason.  That was the one thing that FB was aware  of he would get a coach with an edge.  Hatfield used the Wish Bone, it was different enough from what everyone else was doing at the time that the team were playing had only one week to prepare. That's what we want in our next HC.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2017, 12:17:25 am »

The reason Ken Hatfield was hired over Jimmy Johnson is because he was wining at the AF academy with 2 and 3 star smaller players. I remember reading Orville Henry's article and he went into great deal about the reason.  That was the one thing that FB was aware  of he would get a coach with an edge.  Hatfield used the Wish Bone, it was different enough from what everyone else was doing at the time that the team were playing had only one week to prepare. That's what we want in our next HC.

I have friends who were in the BAC then.  Frank was all about Ken because he beat Notre Dame and I'm pretty sure JFB called the game for ABC.  Anyway, at the time it was a HUGE upset, huge and it helped Hatfield get the job.

The only problem was the HC of Notre Dame at the time.  It was the one and only Jerry Faust.

Would've still hired JJ if it were me.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2017, 12:25:03 am »

I have friends who were in the BAC then.  Frank was all about Ken because he beat Notre Dame and I'm pretty sure JFB called the game for ABC.  Anyway, at the time it was a HUGE upset, huge and it helped Hatfield get the job.

The only problem was the HC of Notre Dame at the time.  It was the one and only Jerry Faust.

Would've still hired JJ if it were me.
Jerry Faust was Notre Dame's CBB.  Yes Frank was impressed that Hatfield beat ND with less talent using the wishbone  The successful coaches at Arkansas have had an edge. Lou Holtz was very creative and better that most coaches, Ken Hatfield had the wish bone and BP has one the best offensive minds in college football.  In addition he can work wonders with his OB.  Even HDN won games he shouldn't have because he is great motivator. 
 
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #108 on: October 26, 2017, 02:49:11 am »

I wouldn't be surprised if he's not our next coach either. Someone posted "who would be a safe hire" that's about as safe of a hire as you can get. He appears to still have a fire to coach.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #109 on: October 26, 2017, 03:41:14 am »

We could do a lot worse than Tommy!!!  I like his ideas.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #110 on: October 26, 2017, 04:55:27 am »

Great idea! Move the spring game so that recruits don't get to see the campus. Brilliant stuff here.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #111 on: October 26, 2017, 06:40:38 am »

Great idea! Move the spring game so that recruits don't get to see the campus. Brilliant stuff here.
So the campus is really bringing in the 5-stars. I think to show recruits that most of the state is behind them is important too. Maybe we should get back to our roots. So far nothing in the last 5 years seems to work. I would say that most facilities in the SEC either matches or exceeds Arkansas.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #112 on: October 26, 2017, 07:17:13 am »

Virtually guaranteed that he’ll never be the AD at Arkansas by saying that we should always play at least one game in Little Rock and probably a Spring Game.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #113 on: October 26, 2017, 08:31:56 am »

For some reason I just can't stand that guy.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #114 on: October 26, 2017, 08:32:50 am »

This program would be a lot better off if Tommy were AD. It would have been a lot better off if Tommy had been hired instead of HDN.


Now that is the Gospel TRUTH!!!
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« Reply #115 on: October 26, 2017, 08:35:46 am »

Yep..... our greatest athletic director, the man who built the Razorbacks, Frank Broyles was an Arkansa- Oh, wait.... he was from Georgia.

I understand maybe wanting a former Razorback or an alumnus because you want someone who has a connection to the university.  However, being born within the state lines of Arkansas doesn't give you some inherit gift to be the athletic director at The University of Arkansas.

I never brought up Broyles. That is completely separate to the statement I made. My original comment was more of a dig at Jeff Long and how he can't relate to the people of this state, can't make those personal connections, and can't even begin to understand what runs through our minds when he basically comes out and says that winning isn't important. Not only is it important to us that our Hogs win at a respectable clip, it's imperative...Get someone in here who understands what this program represents.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #116 on: October 26, 2017, 08:48:48 am »

If he was the AD, would CBB have the guidance he needs like he had in Wisconsin?

Only guidance bielema needs is on-star guiding his ass out of arkansas.
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #117 on: October 26, 2017, 08:49:43 am »


We need to get back to being a wild wet hog with fangs........we are now a pot belly pig.

The best thing I've ever read on Hogville.
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« Reply #118 on: October 26, 2017, 08:51:37 am »

Only guidance bielema needs is on-star guiding his ass out of arkansas.
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« Reply #119 on: October 26, 2017, 08:52:30 am »

Only guidance bielema needs is on-star guiding his ass out of arkansas.

Amen
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #120 on: October 26, 2017, 09:03:10 am »

tommy is sure running for office. it sounds like his focus group did a great getting him ready for his time in arkansas
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Re: Tommy Tuberville - NWA TD Club
« Reply #121 on: October 26, 2017, 09:05:50 am »

"Nothin' smells worse than a wet hog" ...Lost 34-0.
That is what started my dislike for him.
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« Reply #122 on: October 26, 2017, 09:16:24 am »

tommy is sure running for office. it sounds like his focus group did a great getting him ready for his time in arkansas

He might actually be planning to running for office.

Tommy was going to run for governor of Alabama but I don't think coaching at Auburn helped his prospects.

He probably thinks the Arkansas voters will be easier to win over.
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« Reply #123 on: October 26, 2017, 09:19:11 am »

He might actually be planning to running for office.

Tommy was going to run for governor of Alabama but I don't think coaching at Auburn helped his prospects.

He probably thinks the Arkansas voters will be easier to win over.

the offices he is running for is AD or head coach
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« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2017, 09:30:20 am »

Now that is the Gospel TRUTH!!!

I agree that Tommy would be a good AD but I disagree on the head coach part. He went on to Auburn where he was fired a few years later, then to Texas Tech where they were getting ready to fire him had he not left for Cincinnati where he flopped. With a track record like that, I'm not sure he would have been any better than Nutt as the HC.
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« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2017, 09:32:40 am »

the offices he is running for is AD or head coach

Well, he'll lose those races, too.
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« Reply #126 on: October 26, 2017, 09:42:07 am »

Those running Tubberville down here were definitely predictable.
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« Reply #127 on: October 26, 2017, 09:44:14 am »

If he was the AD, would CBB have the guidance he needs like he had in Wisconsin?

Yes, he would.

Tommy, " Son, the door is right over there."
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« Reply #128 on: October 26, 2017, 09:52:36 am »

Yes, he would.

Tommy, " Son, the door is right over there."

Agreed. If Tommy is the AD then Bret is out in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #129 on: October 26, 2017, 10:04:49 am »

I agree that Tommy would be a good AD but I disagree on the head coach part. He went on to Auburn where he was fired a few years later, then to Texas Tech where they were getting ready to fire him had he not left for Cincinnati where he flopped. With a track record like that, I'm not sure he would have been any better than Nutt as the HC.

He was at auburn 10 years and he resigned.
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« Reply #130 on: October 26, 2017, 10:15:47 am »

He was at auburn 10 years and he resigned.

That was the official version but he was actually told "resign or be fired".

If you'll remember, that was the year the Auburn AD privately met with Bobby Petrino behind Tuberville's back to gauge his interest in the job.
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« Reply #131 on: October 26, 2017, 10:18:31 am »

Those running Tubberville down here were definitely predictable.

Tubs would be and is the archetype of a Razorback head coach.  Pretty much a has been that was once highly successful but prime is past.

Always reaching backward when we should be reaching forward.
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« Reply #132 on: October 26, 2017, 10:20:51 am »

Tubs would be and is the archetype of a Razorback head coach.  Pretty much a has been that was once highly successful but prime is past.

Always reaching backward when we should be reaching forward.

Don’t necessarily disagree. My only comment was that those who are running him down were predictable.

And Danny Ford is the only one who I can recall who fits your mold.  You’re describing  Hogville longings.

Tubberville was the right call in 1997, though. John White screwed the pooch.
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« Reply #133 on: October 26, 2017, 10:22:33 am »

Don’t necessarily disagree. My only comment was that those who are running him down were predictable.

and i agree they are, predictable because this would be "common" to me if we woke up 3 months from now and Tubs is whom is hired.  I guess safe is another word though i wouldn't have much confidence in "elite" success or same level as he had at Auburn, but we would be better then we are now lol....
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« Reply #134 on: October 26, 2017, 10:26:04 am »

and i agree they are, predictable because this would be "common" to me if we woke up 3 months from now and Tubs is whom is hired.  I guess safe is another word though i wouldn't have much confidence in "elite" success or same level as he had at Auburn, but we would be better then we are now lol....

We need new energy, not a retread. Tube was good, but there's a reason he's gone from Auburn, to Tech, to Cincinnati, to unemployed.
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« Reply #135 on: October 26, 2017, 10:27:21 am »

We need new energy, not a retread. Tube was good, but there's a reason he's gone from Auburn, to Tech, to Cincinnati, to unemployed.

Yep
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« Reply #136 on: October 26, 2017, 10:27:38 am »

I wouldn't want Tubby as coach.  But he probably would make a good AD.  Even if he isn't an AD someone should reach out to him for advice or perhaps to be a member of the committee to get a new coach.
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« Reply #137 on: October 26, 2017, 10:28:32 am »

We need new energy, not a retread. Tube was good, but there's a reason he's gone from Auburn, to Tech, to Cincinnati, to unemployed.
totally agree i would take new energy over proven success honestly.
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« Reply #138 on: October 26, 2017, 10:31:52 am »

Tuberville would certainly be a better coach that what Arkansas has now -- but that is a low bar. Not sure he would be among the first 10 names I would call.

Re AD, I don't doubt he would be able to do the job. But that is not the direction the vast majority of universities are going these days. It used to be football coaches became ADs. Not so much any more.
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« Reply #139 on: October 26, 2017, 10:32:19 am »

I'm ready to hire a guy under 40 with something to prove.  And frankly, I'm not too sure that Tubbs is right on his "defense" mantra.  Offense is where the game is these days and the rules even favor it.  Even Saban has adjusted what he does.

Defense is still important but the paradigm has shifted now to the point that maybe a defense that keeps another team to 30 points or less is a good defense and you need an offense capable of scoring that many in a so so day.
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« Reply #140 on: October 26, 2017, 02:22:29 pm »

In a general sense he is somewhat correct about it starting with defense in the SEC, but he is not totally correct.

To be more specific though, there are a few positions that have to be elite.

An elite Quarterback
An elite Offensive Left Tackle
2 elite Defensive Tackles
An elite Middle Linebacker
An elite boundary side of the field Cornerback

Kevin Sumlin defeated Nick Saban in 2012 by having an elite QB and an elite Offensive Left Tackle.
We're 0-5 on that stat.  I agree with you.  2 elite CBs and you can man up on D all game and blitz whenever you want.  Look at what we have lost to injuries this year.
Top RB before season started
Top CB in first game
Top WR in third game
Top QB and OL in last couple of games

Odds of that are pretty slim but it happened to us.  In no way does that excuse our performance this year but it definitely hurts. 
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« Reply #141 on: October 26, 2017, 02:31:21 pm »

We're 0-5 on that stat.  I agree with you.  2 elite CBs and you can man up on D all game and blitz whenever you want.  Look at what we have lost to injuries this year.
Top RB before season started
Top CB in first game
Top WR in third game
Top QB and OL in last couple of games

Odds of that are pretty slim but it happened to us.  In no way does that excuse our performance this year but it definitely hurts.
Even with all of those players through end of the season, this team would be 2-6 at best in SEC this year. OL sucked from get-go, so did QB and WRs as a group. And defense was not going to ever control LOS so didn't matter much that we lost top CB. We are so thin, as always, that losing these guys means we'll be even worse. So instead of 2-6, probably 0-8. If we lose Saturday, I predict 0-8.
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« Reply #142 on: October 26, 2017, 05:50:54 pm »

Coaching Auburn soured me on TT....right or wrong.

Same, but now i wish he was still at Auburn.
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