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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2017, 04:49:38 pm »

I wasn't calling for MA head but I do remember questioning his in game management and some of the minutes he gave some player. It took him awhile to realize that last year team was better at playing zone than man. Wasn't it Oklahom State that beat us like we were a middle school team before he started coming around to playing more zone? I feel he is a good coach and that we have one of the better coaches in the SEC. 
Based on what??
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2017, 06:19:33 pm »

Based on what??

I have posted the below stats before but this is why I think Mike is a good coach and doing a good job here:

Stan Heath
2002-2003: 9-19 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2003-2004: 12-16 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2004-2005: 18-12 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2005-2006: 22-10 Overall; 10-6 Conference
2006-2007: 21-14 Overall; 7-9 Conference

Stan's Total: 82-71 Overall (.536); 31-49 Conference (.388)

John Pelphrey
2007-2008: 23-12 Overall; 9-7 Conference
2008-2009: 14-16 Overall; 2-14 Conference
2009-2010: 14-18 Overall; 7-9 Conference
2010-2011: 18-13 Overall; 7-9 Conference

John's Total: 69-59 Overall (.539); 25-39 Conference (.391)

Stan and Pelphrey Combined: 151-130 Overall (.537); 56-88 Conference (.389)

Mike Anderson
2011-2012: 18-14 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2012-2013: 19-13 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2013-2014: 22-12 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2014-2015: 27-9 Overall; 13-5 Conference
2015-2016: 16-16 Overall; 9-9 Conference
2016-2017: 26-10 Overall; 12-6 Conference

Mike's Total: 128-74 Overall (.633); 60-46 Conference (.566)

A Couple Points:
- In the 9 years prior to Mike we had 2 winning conference records. In Mike's 6 completed seasons we've had 4.
- Mike's Overall record is 9.6 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.633-.537). If you look at as a growth rate, .633/.537-1 = 17.9%
- Mike's Conference record is 17.7 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.566-.389). If you look at as a growth rate, .566/.389-1 = 45.6%
- Mike's conference winning percentage is better than both Stan and Pelphrey's OVERALL winning percentage while at Arkansas
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2017, 06:44:47 pm »

Until we can consistently play solid defense ( stopping dribble penetration and proper rotation on the backside of our defense) and consistently move without the ball on offense, most people will think that the Hogs are mediocre. The SEC has been down for many years and the Hogs have shown flashes of brilliance and then fell flat on their face the next game. There is no doubt that the Hog program should be in the top three to four in the SEC every year due to it being a down league. The recruiting situation is working itself out better lately but player development has to step up this year with so many new faces and next year with more coming. Talent should not be a issue in the coming years but fundamental basketball skills need to be honed quicker.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2017, 06:47:35 pm »

Yeah, it was the Oklahoma State game last year that was the low point of the season. It felt like we were teetering on the edge of the wheels coming off. But then we started playing more zone, and it worked like crazy.  And thank God it did.  Because we have HUGE momentum in recruiting now. If we would’ve had to start completely over with hiring a new coach and installing a new system with new players...that would’ve been another 3 year set back to the program (at least). So it’s great that it worked out and that we are now starting to benefit from having that continuity in our program again.
We had a great recruiting class this year, and I think we are set to have great recruiting classes for the next 2 or 3 years.  I feel like this is just the beginning of us finally being back to being a basketball program to be feared.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2017, 11:48:04 am »

I have posted the below stats before but this is why I think Mike is a good coach and doing a good job here:

Stan Heath
2002-2003: 9-19 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2003-2004: 12-16 Overall; 4-12 Conference
2004-2005: 18-12 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2005-2006: 22-10 Overall; 10-6 Conference
2006-2007: 21-14 Overall; 7-9 Conference

Stan's Total: 82-71 Overall (.536); 31-49 Conference (.388)

John Pelphrey
2007-2008: 23-12 Overall; 9-7 Conference
2008-2009: 14-16 Overall; 2-14 Conference
2009-2010: 14-18 Overall; 7-9 Conference
2010-2011: 18-13 Overall; 7-9 Conference

John's Total: 69-59 Overall (.539); 25-39 Conference (.391)

Stan and Pelphrey Combined: 151-130 Overall (.537); 56-88 Conference (.389)

Mike Anderson
2011-2012: 18-14 Overall; 6-10 Conference
2012-2013: 19-13 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2013-2014: 22-12 Overall; 10-8 Conference
2014-2015: 27-9 Overall; 13-5 Conference
2015-2016: 16-16 Overall; 9-9 Conference
2016-2017: 26-10 Overall; 12-6 Conference

Mike's Total: 128-74 Overall (.633); 60-46 Conference (.566)

A Couple Points:
- In the 9 years prior to Mike we had 2 winning conference records. In Mike's 6 completed seasons we've had 4.
- Mike's Overall record is 9.6 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.633-.537). If you look at as a growth rate, .633/.537-1 = 17.9%
- Mike's Conference record is 17.7 percentage points better than what we experienced the previous 9 years (.566-.389). If you look at as a growth rate, .566/.389-1 = 45.6%
- Mike's conference winning percentage is better than both Stan and Pelphrey's OVERALL winning percentage while at Arkansas
I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2017, 11:54:37 am »

I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.
Because you hate context. Probably more that you hate but I’ll leave it at that.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2017, 11:59:30 am »

Same poster that start this thread just predicted a 15-16 record in the season prediction thread.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2017, 12:10:19 pm »

I'm sorry, but i would consider an overall conference winning percentage of .566 to be MEDIOCRE.

This has a very Donald trump feel to it.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2017, 12:14:08 pm »

Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2017, 12:36:06 pm »

Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year. 
SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2017, 02:20:53 pm »

SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

The league was as bad if not worse before Mike arrived and we only had 2 seasons out of the 9 prior to Mike's arrival that we were better than 9-9.

Mike has done notably better than our prior two coaches and has us trending in the right direction.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2017, 02:23:21 pm »

SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

Even in an improved SEC, the worst I could see the Hogs finishing would be 8-10.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2017, 02:26:20 pm »

SEC has been horrible.  9-9 isn't anything to brag about.

The SEC for the past 6-7 teams has always had the best players but took a while to gel or randomly to gel.  So many of the SEC teams would start off pretty bad but end up being really strong by the time conference came around.  This cause the SEC to be viewed in a negative light, despite how good they really are. 

If you don't believe me, research how the SEC fares in the tournament compared to other conferences and how many players in the NBA the SEC has.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2017, 03:45:20 pm »

Mike Anderson would never get into the 2-4 conference win territory.  Even when all the wheels came off, he went 9-9 in conference.  Also, the 22-12 year we were snubbed.  We swept Kentucky that year.

We weren't snubbed.  Stop droning on about it.  Played a weak non conference schedule.  Beat 1 eventual NCAAT team in the non conf - La Lafayette.  The UK wins were it as far as resume building wins.  The second UK win came when they were playing poorly and lost 3 of 4 and 4 of 7 and only offense was throw it towards the backboard, get the rebound and get to the line.  If we were hanging onto the bubble before the 30 pt loss to Bama and 2pt loss to a 14-20 SC team we weren't close to it after those losses. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2017, 04:49:41 pm »

The SEC for the past 6-7 teams has always had the best players but took a while to gel or randomly to gel.  So many of the SEC teams would start off pretty bad but end up being really strong by the time conference came around.  This cause the SEC to be viewed in a negative light, despite how good they really are. 

If you don't believe me, research how the SEC fares in the tournament compared to other conferences and how many players in the NBA the SEC has.
Well, be happy with 9-9 in the SEC.  That is your prerogative.  I'm not.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2017, 05:18:19 pm »

Well, be happy with 9-9 in the SEC.  That is your prerogative.  I'm not.
You are like 0-5 today on comprehending what my posts mean. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2017, 05:45:23 pm »

You are like 0-5 today on comprehending what my posts mean. 
And you, sir, are 0-6 at posting objectively and clearly. (I included the Trump reference post because I didn't understand it, either)
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2017, 05:48:57 pm »

You are like 0-5 today on comprehending what my posts mean. 

I would just stop bothering. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2017, 05:53:28 pm »

Until we can consistently play solid defense ( stopping dribble penetration and proper rotation on the backside of our defense) and consistently move without the ball on offense, most people will think that the Hogs are mediocre. The SEC has been down for many years and the Hogs have shown flashes of brilliance and then fell flat on their face the next game. There is no doubt that the Hog program should be in the top three to four in the SEC every year due to it being a down league. The recruiting situation is working itself out better lately but player development has to step up this year with so many new faces and next year with more coming. Talent should not be a issue in the coming years but fundamental basketball skills need to be honed quicker.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2017, 08:28:24 pm »

And you, sir, are 0-6 at posting objectively and clearly. (I included the Trump reference post because I didn't understand it, either)

Posts are clear, you're just too dense.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2017, 08:30:23 pm »

I would just stop bothering.

Mm yes, basketball season is here and so is Higgie Piggie to take a crap on our ascending basketball program.  I get it, every year we ascend the more you're wrong.  You'll find a hole to crawl back in soon, when our bball program hits that next level.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2017, 05:39:29 pm »

Mm yes, basketball season is here and so is Higgie Piggie to take a crap on our ascending basketball program.  I get it, every year we ascend the more you're wrong.  You'll find a hole to crawl back in soon, when our bball program hits that next level.

Excuse me? You really don’t read much of my posts then.  I have talked highly of our team often. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2017, 07:34:47 pm »

Excuse me? You really don’t read much of my posts then.  I have talked highly of our team often.


I might be thinking of RazorPiggie.  My B. 
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« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2017, 08:49:48 pm »


I might be thinking of RazorPiggie.  My B. 

No problem.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2017, 08:55:22 pm »

Not a whole lot to dispute mediocre....

50 programs have done better over last 20 years.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #75 on: November 03, 2017, 09:02:18 pm »

Hobhog - have anything else to add or is 4 threads enough?
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2017, 09:06:19 pm »

Hobhog - have anything else to add or is 4 threads enough?

I have a feeling I'm just getting started. Have I said something wrong?
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #77 on: November 03, 2017, 09:07:33 pm »

Not a whole lot to dispute mediocre....

50 programs have done better over last 20 years.

How about since Anderson has been here? 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #78 on: November 03, 2017, 09:09:08 pm »

I have a feeling I'm just getting started. Have I said something wrong?

Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #79 on: November 03, 2017, 09:10:11 pm »

How about since Anderson has been here?

You tell me.
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #80 on: November 03, 2017, 09:10:38 pm »

Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.

Yea I'm not overreacting.  I want to make comments, but its hard to having just listened to the game.  Really do think we need Thompson, cook and hopefully garland back for depth though. 
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #81 on: November 03, 2017, 09:10:54 pm »

You tell me.

Top three in the sec. 
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« Reply #82 on: November 03, 2017, 09:12:52 pm »

Just getting started with the season and won by 14. We are tinkering with lineups and have 3 guys out. Just relax and enjoy it, we have some great players on this team.

Agreed. I'll shut it down. This is year 7 and I expect a lot and something doesn't feel right. But I'll try to be patient....
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Re: Apparently people think the basketball program is mediocre
« Reply #84 on: November 03, 2017, 09:40:59 pm »

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