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HawgWild

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New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« on: October 23, 2017, 10:12:56 am »

Article on the front page of today's paper. Cost saving approach I thought. No, it'll actually cost $1.3 million more than using steel.

Arkansas timber industry promotion? No, the cross laminated timber beams will be made over seas.

"But no Arkansas wood will be used in the main structural components following a competitive bid process managed by contractor Nabholz, Clairmont said. The low bidder at about $5.3 million was a firm called Holzpak, Clairmont said. Holzpak is a partner with European manufacturer Binderholz Bausysteme GmbH, headquartered in Austria."

So, why do we want to spend more money using wood from Austria?

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/oct/23/ua-dorms-to-be-built-of-timber-20171023-1/


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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2017, 12:17:16 pm »

Raises maintenance and insurance cost as well
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 12:51:57 pm »

Perhaps the genius who decided to "let" this contract is the same one at the IRS who gave Equifax the $7 million contract shortly after the data breach news was released. While this contract has apparently been temporarily placed on "hold" I have no doubt the government will end up doing the "right thing" and let poor Equifax have the desperately needed business. Anyone actually believe the U of A won't follow a similar path. Besides, ultimately it's not their personal monies so why should either entity care?
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 01:28:41 pm »

If it was an architectural feature I might understand, but it won't be seen. If it was made in Arkansas, I could understand. Choosing to spend $1.3 million more for a feature that is none of these things.......... And like you said V8D, "it's not their personal monies".
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 08:12:30 am »

If it was an architectural feature I might understand, but it won't be seen. If it was made in Arkansas, I could understand. Choosing to spend $1.3 million more for a feature that is none of these things.......... And like you said V8D, "it's not their personal monies".

Well, I thought there would to be some exposed beams, you know for the "architectural look".
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 08:46:52 am »

Apparently some will be exposed: "Panels used in the Stadium Drive residence hall project will be about eight-feet wide and 40-feet long, Baribeau said, some forming exposed wooden floors for the structure."

Dangers of a quick read. I was primarily reacting to going overseas for a product and paying more to do so. But, what do I know? Today's DG editorial page sees this as a "golden opportunity" "to boost the state's timber industry", even though the state's timber industry will not benefit one dime.

I often find myself in the minority opinion pool. <sigh>
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2017, 09:41:13 am »

Apparently some will be exposed: "Panels used in the Stadium Drive residence hall project will be about eight-feet wide and 40-feet long, Baribeau said, some forming exposed wooden floors for the structure."

Dangers of a quick read. I was primarily reacting to going overseas for a product and paying more to do so. But, what do I know? Today's DG editorial page sees this as a "golden opportunity" "to boost the state's timber industry", even though the state's timber industry will not benefit one dime.

I often find myself in the minority opinion pool. <sigh>

Oh, I agree 100%, and on top of the timber industry, we have two steel mills sitting on the Mississippi that make steel beams, stupid idea in my opinion. It's just a waste of money, which isn't unusual for people spending other's.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2017, 11:17:39 am »

CLT is a new and upcoming thing. Lots of buildings popping up around NWA include this now. Architect's love it, but it carries a high price. They like it because most of the CLT will be exposed and pleasing to the eye.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 12:39:50 pm »

Also the fee is almost always based upon final cost of the project.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2017, 12:42:12 pm »

CLT is a new and upcoming thing. Lots of buildings popping up around NWA include this now. Architect's love it, but it carries a high price. They like it because most of the CLT will be exposed and pleasing to the eye.

The newly built NEW SCHOOL on Joyce has alot of this - it looks great....the least they used local rock and masons to do the exterior. The native stone / wood combo looks awesome.

I don't understand why we couldn't get this from an Arkansas or at least US source-just the shipping costs from Austria will be enormous.

Nabholz did the bidding - they usually hire local crews and materials - don't know what happened here.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2017, 09:42:55 pm »

The newly built NEW SCHOOL on Joyce has alot of this - it looks great....the least they used local rock and masons to do the exterior. The native stone / wood combo looks awesome.

I don't understand why we couldn't get this from an Arkansas or at least US source-just the shipping costs from Austria will be enormous.

Nabholz did the bidding - they usually hire local crews and materials - don't know what happened here.

Nabholz will "bid" jobs, but a LARGE part of their work is "negotiated". They like to donate money and get awarded jobs and negotiate the cost type maneuver.  Or that all loved, cost plus jobs. 
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 12:01:42 pm »

Bette than the asbestos that was in my dorm.  They were nice enough to remove it while I was living there.  Im sure the plastic sheets protected us all.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2017, 02:52:14 pm »

Waste of our tax dollars.
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Re: New UA Dorms to be built of timber
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2017, 02:59:14 pm »

Not aware of anyone making that product locally

So youd hafta source the wood, have it made, then ship back for Arkansas grown timber.....inefficient


Most lumber that comes from Arkansas is low quality yellow pine framing lumber or the stuff they make fences/decks out of.  Some hardwood
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