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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2017, 09:13:08 pm »

And then, there are just posters
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2017, 09:19:52 pm »

Just so you know- I don’t seem to be able to change “posters” to what I really typed which was “a$$holes” from an iPad
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2017, 09:21:01 pm »

I admit after the Auburn game last year, CBB lost my respect as our HC, and I hoped for an immediate departure. That being said like most on here I feel compassion for the man - I can't imagine how difficult it must be to lose time and time again then have to meet the press and once again have to deal with all your failures. I don't believe he was ever a fit in Fayetteville, but I do wish him much success and happiness wherever he may land.

As for the 3 - 4 negative posters on this thread; I hope you don't ever find your job on the line - what goes around comes around...
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2017, 09:23:49 pm »

I can't speak for everybody. So I will just say, class is free. And being rich does not mean you don't deserve basic human respect. CBB should be and will be fired in a few days. There is no need to call anybody names. There is no need to be nasty. Is nastiness the worse sin to beset humanity? No. But it isn't needed. It doesn't help and I bet it is hard on families.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2017, 09:25:04 pm »

Just so you know- I don’t seem to be able to change “posters” to what I really typed which was “a$$holes” from an iPad

I am guessing that is an amazing website based autocorrect. Beautiful.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2017, 04:52:38 am »

The only place he is off, possibly, is by saying majority.  Lots of people who actually had to deal with him in more than a ‘meet and greet’ fashion seem to feel that way about Long.  To be fair, others don’t, but he isn’t some great guy that got caught up in palace intrigue.  He absolutely mistreated some good people who didn’t deserve it; some others got what they deserved.  It’s his inability to distinguish and his manner that got him.



Correct, the man was a first class jerk, and that's being nice. The first time I met him I despised him and it went downhill from there. Bielema was a great guy, who you could not help but like. Just was not the man for the job. I can take the vitriol for Jeffie, but not so much for Bielema.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2017, 05:29:32 am »

It doesn’t matter if he made 100 million a year. He’s still a human being, and as such deserves respect as any other. BB is a good guy. Does he deserve to lose his job? Yes. Does he deserve the absolute hateful crap? Absolutely not.

Exactly. He deserves respect because he acts like a human being unlike some on here apparently.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2017, 05:33:44 am »

You're gonna have a problem garnering a lot of sympathy for individuals who have made the kind of money that Bielema has made during his tenure here. Typically, the larger issue with losing a job is loss of income. Yeah, he's going to lose income, but he should have plenty stored up for this rainy day that's just ahead. You can call it class envy, or whatever, but it really is hard to spin up much sympathy.

Sympathy and respect for someone that by all indications is a nice person has NOTHING to do with how much money they make. I've worked for people that were super rich and nice and had my respect. I've worked for others that were super rich and big [CENSORED] bags and I didn't respect them as much or at all. One can be tough on the job though and still earn my respect. It's all on how they go about treating people in general. It's the proverbial "not what you say but how you say it" that matters to me.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2017, 06:01:59 am »

Everyone keeps talking about what a great guy he is.....but what does it say about your character when you are making $4 million a year and can't dedicate yourself to your job or apply the same discipline you ask of your players to yourself?
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2017, 07:18:10 am »

Everyone keeps talking about what a great guy he is.....but what does it say about your character when you are making $4 million a year and can't dedicate yourself to your job or apply the same discipline you ask of your players to yourself?

Just because he didn't win enough doesn't mean he wasn't dedicated to his job.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2017, 07:48:01 am »

Just because he didn't win enough doesn't mean he wasn't dedicated to his job.

Certainly agree with you.  He just wasn't a good fit here for whatever reasons.  I have to say I've never wanted to see anyone succeed here more than I wanted him to.  Great guy, represented the school well, good sense of humor.  Bet they miss him at the SEC meeting this year.  ;) 
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2017, 09:09:26 am »

Everyone keeps talking about what a great guy he is.....but what does it say about your character when you are making $4 million a year and can't dedicate yourself to your job or apply the same discipline you ask of your players to yourself?

He dedicated himself to the job, he was just dedicated in the wrong fashion about the wrong things. He made some strange decisions and had some strange ideas, but that doesn't mean he wasn't dedicated or didn't care.

Bielema has looked progressively rougher over the last two seasons. You don't look more and more stressed and hopeless when you don't care. Bielema cared, he just couldn't fix the problem. That's not a personal attack and anyone that thinks he didn't care about the players or the Razorbacks is a fool.

Because you don't have the skill doesn't mean you don't have the heart.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2017, 09:28:00 am »

Someone mentioned it above; maybe it is a "class warfare" kind of thing.

I've never envied major college coaches. I wouldn't want a job that required me to work seven days a week for half the year. I wouldn't want a job where I got kudos for scheduling "family time" at my office so that my wife and kids could see me. I wouldn't want a job where thousands of people, many of whom couldn't even diagram a play on a white board, criticize me daily.

I don't begrudge what coaches make, for all of those reasons. I could not care less how much our new coach makes; get all he can get, I say.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2017, 10:15:28 am »

Someone mentioned it above; maybe it is a "class warfare" kind of thing.

I've never envied major college coaches. I wouldn't want a job that required me to work seven days a week for half the year. I wouldn't want a job where I got kudos for scheduling "family time" at my office so that my wife and kids could see me. I wouldn't want a job where thousands of people, many of whom couldn't even diagram a play on a white board, criticize me daily.

I don't begrudge what coaches make, for all of those reasons. I could not care less how much our new coach makes; get all he can get, I say.
Totally agree with all of this. I guess if you have a passion for coaching and you are good at it, you gravitate to the level where you make a lot of $ but the pressure has to be high.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2017, 10:48:09 am »

Someone mentioned it above; maybe it is a "class warfare" kind of thing.

I've never envied major college coaches. I wouldn't want a job that required me to work seven days a week for half the year. I wouldn't want a job where I got kudos for scheduling "family time" at my office so that my wife and kids could see me. I wouldn't want a job where thousands of people, many of whom couldn't even diagram a play on a white board, criticize me daily.

I don't begrudge what coaches make, for all of those reasons. I could not care less how much our new coach makes; get all he can get, I say.

Bert didn't do these things either. Main reason he's getting fired and why our team sucks.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2017, 11:50:36 am »

I respect him as a human being.  That has nothing to do with any of this.

Arkansas did not hire him or Long to be human beings or great guys.  They were poor at their jobs.  The teams had no discipline, could not/would not finish games.  We did not hire a dad for the players to "love them."  That's ok but they were not hired for that.  They were hired to win championships or at least compete for one.  Not even close.  Go cry baby somewhere else.

I doubt very many of you whinners even knew him except on TV.  And if you did, so what?  He failed.  He did not know what he was doing from all results.  I wish him the best but glad he's being given another year.
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Re: The Other Side of Coaching
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2017, 06:57:44 am »

He has made more money than us...so what??? Why begrudge him. He didn't get it done here but so what. Thats what people who won at the major d1 level get paid. He deserved it.  Guess what he didn't perform as well here so his next contract wont be as big. .its how the world works. I hate it didnt work out. I liked him because he was genuine. Hard to find that anymore. I wish him the best. Some of you guys are just miserable. I hate it for you and your families.   
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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2017, 08:16:15 am »

The idea of begrudging someone because they have become wealthy is hilarious. That’s 100% missing the point here. Understand, I love capitalism and the idea of it. Where I get sideways is when the pity card/nice guy stuff starts. For one thing our last coach got thrown in the fiery pit of fan and media hell for his off the field misdoings...Bielema seems to get a pass because he’s a “nice guy.” I take issue with that.

Then....this morphs into “well he’s a really great coach, he just couldn’t get it done at Arkansas because it’s such a tough job.” I have an even bigger issue with this notion. Both Houston Nutt and Petrino proved it is possible to have moderate to good success here. Maybe not championship great...but good seasons are a possibility. You just take a look at the D. Nowkhah deal the other day...we are in danger of this becoming our permanent perception aka Vanderbilt among media and younger generation fans.
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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2017, 10:38:27 am »

I respect him as a human being.  That has nothing to do with any of this.

Not me. Makes millions to be the face of the program and looks like an unshaven good year blimp.
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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2017, 10:31:20 pm »

There are a couple here that say the animosity wasn't toward the coach. I just read a post that called him Shrek. The animosity was and still is for the coach. Even after he is fired some folks can't just be nice.

I agree. There was definitely a lot of animosity towards him that just seemed like too much. You think he is a bad coach? Fine. You don't feel sorry for him because he's made millions? Fine. However, all the personal attacks, calling him fat, shrek, dumb, slob, etc., does nothing but make the fan base look bad.

I do feel for him, not because he is going to lose his income, but because as a coach you develop a lot of close relationships with your players and staff. Guys at this level have quit worrying about money long ago. Sure, they want to make as much as possible, but they aren't doing it for the money. They are doing it for the players and because they want to feel the sense of accomplishment that comes with being successful at the highest level. He's going to feel the feeling of failure for the first time in his life. He's going to leave here with the regret of unfinished business that he can never finish. He's going to leave with the feeling of letting down a lot of players that he's worked his tail off for the past few years. He's going to leave here knowing that he's hated by many of the fans that he wanted so badly to give a winning product to. He represented our university very well in most aspects. Unfortunately, the one he's judged on is the one he failed at.
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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2017, 10:44:50 pm »

The idea of begrudging someone because they have become wealthy is hilarious. That’s 100% missing the point here. Understand, I love capitalism and the idea of it. Where I get sideways is when the pity card/nice guy stuff starts. For one thing our last coach got thrown in the fiery pit of fan and media hell for his off the field misdoings...Bielema seems to get a pass because he’s a “nice guy.” I take issue with that.

Then....this morphs into “well he’s a really great coach, he just couldn’t get it done at Arkansas because it’s such a tough job.” I have an even bigger issue with this notion. Both Houston Nutt and Petrino proved it is possible to have moderate to good success here. Maybe not championship great...but good seasons are a possibility. You just take a look at the D. Nowkhah deal the other day...we are in danger of this becoming our permanent perception aka Vanderbilt among media and younger generation fans.

Petrino got vilified by the media and the fans because his misdoings where so public. They were made worse because people didn't like him. That's something he brought on himself. He was unfriendly to many people. A large portion of that group was media members. You don't want your missteps reported, then you better befriend the media.

Bielema has given the media and fans unbelievable access. He makes himself and players available multiple times a week. He treats everyone with respect when he talks to them, and makes them feel like he is interested.

I have no idea if Bielema really has the personal issues that a few on here claim. I do think he likes to drink a little, but he's a grown man and can do as he pleases. You can be a good person and enjoy a few drinks. I think the stories of him being an excessive alcoholic are probably embellished quite a bit. I find it funny that these stories only arise about him when people are angry with him. You didn't hear the stories out of Wisconsin until he left them. You didn't hear much about them here until things went way south win/loss wise. If you did hear it before then, it was from the few vocal minority that hated the guy from the get go, and they were carrying those stories forward from his Wisconsin days.

Like I said, I don't know whether the stories are true or not. I just have a hard time believing them because they only seem like people piling on. I've seen the guy out in public quite a few times and never seen him slobbering drunk. Just seems like people throwing stuff out there hoping that it sticks in case the record wasn't enough to get him booted. 
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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2017, 10:46:10 pm »

he did every thing he was supposed to other than win football games. Fire him. Move on.
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« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2017, 10:54:58 pm »

I can't imagine how horrible it must be to make around $20 million over 5 years and then to get a 7 figure severance package. Poor guy. Hope he can find a way to survive this
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« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2017, 10:56:00 pm »

I can't imagine how horrible it must be to make around $20 million over 5 years and then to get a 7 figure severance package.

They may have to downgrade to a 6 bedroom house, with a smaller pool.

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« Reply #74 on: Today at 03:27:12 am »

did somebody put a gun to the bots and make them approve and offer this contract to BB.   You are bitching about the wrong people here.  BB did what all of us would have done    taken their offer and either accepting or rejecting it. 
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« Reply #75 on: Today at 05:41:00 am »

They may have to downgrade to a 6 bedroom house, with a smaller pool.

Don't think he fits in a smaller pool.
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