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Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 11:25:05 pm »

Are you saying tech doesn't recruit Texas?
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 11:27:02 pm »

Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 

He lost to Tcu same as we did.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 11:28:40 pm »

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them!

Gundy is better than Bielema but -

247 Composite Recruting Rankings:

2013

Arkansas: 23
Oklahoma State: 31
https://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2014

Oklahoma State: 27
Arkansas: 28
https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2015

Arkansas: 22
Oklahoma State: 40
https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2016

Arkansas: 23
Oklahoma State: 45
https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2017

Arkansas: 27
Oklahoma State: 38
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 11:29:50 pm »

Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 
They have a better coach.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 11:32:13 pm »

pretty simple....George Jones singing a Hank Sr. song pretty much says it all..             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMaqHNzM3kg


ad: but for the life of me that sounds like Lefty Frizzel, nevertheless, the meaning is on point
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 11:32:42 pm »

They have a better coach.
They recruit Texas because of location but also because Texas High schools almost all play the same kind of football Ok st(and most of the Big 12) plays. Easy transition for the kids.   
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 11:33:48 pm »

Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 
Guess they didn't take enough because TCU skull drug them in Stillwater.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 11:38:52 pm »

Gundy is better than Bielema but -

247 Composite Recruting Rankings:

2013

Arkansas: 23
Oklahoma State: 31
https://247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2014

Oklahoma State: 27
Arkansas: 28
https://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2015

Arkansas: 22
Oklahoma State: 40
https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2016

Arkansas: 23
Oklahoma State: 45
https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

2017

Arkansas: 27
Oklahoma State: 38
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings
Good post.  This just emphasizes even more how much smarter of a recruiter Gundy is than Bilema and how much better of an Xs and Os/in-game coach Gundy is than Bielema.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 11:40:23 pm »

Good post.  This just emphasizes even more how much smarter of a recruiter Gundy is than Bilema and how much better of an Xs and Os/in-game coach Gundy is than Bielema.
How'd that work out against TCU this year?
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 11:45:39 pm »

Guess they didn't take enough because TCU skull drug them in Stillwater.

Exactly!  Arkansas should be able to out recruit TCU as well!  In any given year Arkansas should get the best 8 - 12 players from Arkansas.  I contend our next biggest state for players should be Texas!  This is how Frank Broyles won! 
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 11:48:55 pm »

Exactly!  Arkansas should be able to out recruit TCU as well!  In any given year Arkansas should get the best 8 - 12 players from Arkansas.  I contend our next biggest state for players should be Texas!  This is how Frank Broyles won! 
We typically out-recruit TCU as well. They, also, have a better coach.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2017, 11:54:44 pm »

We typically out-recruit TCU as well. They, also, have a better coach.
TCU has a top 5 coach. Patterson is a great coach.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2017, 12:04:34 am »

 Arkansas should be able to field a pretty solid team with just players from Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas. Now that doesn't mean we should over look Missouri and Oklahoma. Its just that we really don't need to focus anywhere else outside of this region.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2017, 12:08:31 am »

They recruit Texas because of location but also because Texas High schools almost all play the same kind of football Ok st(and most of the Big 12) plays. Easy transition for the kids.

This really is a misnomer. The same kind of football?  I mean handoffs, passes, QB under center or shotgun, blocking, running in the A gap or off tackle, catching the ball, out routes, post routes, fade routes, crossing routes etc. are basically the exact same physical movements regardless of the "style" of football you play. It really all boils down to coaching. Specifically preparation and instruction.

I don't think Bielema has done a good job in getting players with instincts to be football smart. I could care less about their B-average given how much help they have with tutors and the advantages being an athlete bring. Athlete Privilege is pretty sweet ya know.

Good players are going to perform better than average players. Given the limited amount of practice time and limited contact trying to build a program by developing lesser athletes only puts you behind the 8-ball and you have a longer maturity and learning process. Those programs that are starting with a better athlete and better player are seeing results on the field quicker and their results are of a higher quality as well.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2017, 12:17:43 am »

In any given year Arkansas should get the best 8 - 12 players from Arkansas. 


I've long said this how the walk-on program should be operated.  Find the 10 best football players in the state. Not the 10 fastest, the 10 strongest, the 10 biggest, the 10 whatever measurable you can come up with just the 10 best gamers, the 10 best that bring it and have leadership qualities.  You get 10 of the best football minds and Razorback crazy kids in the state, you put them on the team and what do you get?

You get a really competitive scout team. In a 4 year period you get 35 damn good football players that will push the 85 scholarship players day in and day out. You get depth, you get players that make less mistakes and play with an edge. They may not the most physically gifted, but are scholarship players aren't exactly elite athlete either. Add the mistake that is Body by Herb and you get less athletic players over time and those walk-ons will become even more competitive and we'll see those guys get playing time that is earned rather than scrambling to find depth like is happening this season. (or on the OL scrambling to find starters)

I'd rather we use the walk-on program to give Arkansas kids chances than rich kids from out of state that want the bigtime football college experience.

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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2017, 12:18:27 am »

Yes, they recruit Texas.

The difference with them is that they run a system that the Texas HS players have been taught and have played for years.  We run a power system that's foreign to the recruits.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2017, 06:57:39 am »

Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 

Since Gundy started having double digit win seasons (2010), he has (through 2016) averaged signing 14 Texas players each year. Though during 2015, 2016 and 2017 he only signed 10, 7 and 9 respectively so that average number of signees from Texas could be trending down.

From 2002-2007 Nutt signed an average of 6.5 each year, Petrino averaged 4.5 and Bielema from 2013-2017 signed 3, 1, 4, 4 and 2 respectively.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2017, 07:39:44 am »

Yes, they recruit Texas.

The difference with them is that they run a system that the Texas HS players have been taught and have played for years.  We run a power system that's foreign to the recruits.

 If true. Then who fault is it?
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2017, 09:06:26 am »

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Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them!

This always cracks me up. Because people in other parts of the country consider Arkansas to be a sh1thole of inbred redneck and nothing here. 
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2017, 09:27:20 am »

Since Gundy started having double digit win seasons (2010), he has (through 2016) averaged signing 14 Texas players each year. Though during 2015, 2016 and 2017 he only signed 10, 7 and 9 respectively so that average number of signees from Texas could be trending down.

From 2002-2007 Nutt signed an average of 6.5 each year, Petrino averaged 4.5 and Bielema from 2013-2017 signed 3, 1, 4, 4 and 2 respectively.
Good info Muskogee.  I thought they had at least half the team from Texas.  I also thought they take take way more academic risks than Arkansas.  Am I wrong on that?  I remember the SI article from a few years ago about their renegade program and it was some scary stuff.  Although they were never put on probation so maybe it was more rumors than facts.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2017, 09:29:13 am »

If true. Then who fault is it?
Texas HS for playing wussy flag football? LOL!
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2017, 09:48:48 am »

Good post.  This just emphasizes even more how much smarter of a recruiter Gundy is than Bilema and how much better of an Xs and Os/in-game coach Gundy is than Bielema.

I agre gundy is better, but the recruiting ranking doesnít really show much because of conference. 

We are higher in recruiting, but rank 5th or 6th in the west division and about 10-12 in the overall conference.  While Oklahoma State I believe is in the top 5 of their conference.  That is a huge difference. 

People need to understand the difference in conference.  We out recruit Oklahoma State and even TCU. We would be ranked 3rd over all in the big 12 most years with our recruiting, but we donít play in the big 12. 
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 07:09:04 am »

If we played in that sissified conference we'd would a won it more than not. Gundy just getting the benefits of playing in pretty much the Sun Belt. HCBB ain't had the luxuries of playing in weak conferences he's done played in the two best their is.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2017, 11:51:32 am »

Arkansas should be a better program than Oklahoma State.  Gundy has made Texas recruiting priority #1 for OSU.  This is exactly what Arkansas did in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's, our glory years.  Why hasn't Coach B figured this out?  4.5 hours from McKinney to Fayetteville!

Texas can take 25.  Texas A&M can take 25.  Everyone else is up for grabs!  That is how Oklahoma State wins!

Have you ever been to Stillwater?  It is a joke that we can't outrecruit them! 

Yes we should do better in Texas and Memphis.
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Re: Oklahoma State beats Texas Tech 9 years in a row. How? They recruit Texas!
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2017, 09:47:57 am »

If Arkansas played Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa State, et.al. year in and year out we wouldn't be complaining about recruiting.
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