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Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« on: September 30, 2017, 02:38:45 pm »

We finally had some wideouts step up. Our running game took a step forward and we have some exciting talent in the backfield. Allen looked spot on minus the pick that he forced. O'Grady looks legit.

Defense looked soft like they didn't wanna get beat deep. I never understood that approach. But, they have a legit QB and good talent at WR..  Give them credit, they are pretty good on timing routes. We stuffed the run when they did try. Didn't seem to get enough pressure from rushing 3 and too many soft spots in the zone.....we gotta correct one or the other.

Special teams were solid.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2017, 02:42:22 pm »

Mostly agree, although with the kick out of bounds and mediocre tackling I wasn't real impressed with special teams. I mean, they didn't run one back so there's that.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2017, 03:01:40 pm »

We finally had some wideouts step up. Our running game took a step forward and we have some exciting talent in the backfield. Allen looked spot on minus the pick that he forced. O'Grady looks legit.

Defense looked soft like they didn't wanna get beat deep. I never understood that approach. But, they have a legit QB and good talent at WR..  Give them credit, they are pretty good on timing routes. We stuffed the run when they did try. Didn't seem to get enough pressure from rushing 3 and too many soft spots in the zone.....we gotta correct one or the other.

Special teams were solid.

We faced a QB who typically gets the ball out early, so much more difficult to get pressure on him. We will likely see more of that from SEC teams in the future with better receivers, so we need to find a better way to create pressure. I will say however, that when we wanted to create extra pressure, we did. We need more of that. Are we holding back our pressures for the SEC schedule? We will see.

Perfect we aren't. Not where we need to be. Should have scored more than 50 on these guys and limited them to 14 or less, but we are improving overall. That said, Allen still doesn't look just right. Not sure what it is be he isn't the same QB from last year. Did the receivers from last year make him look better? Maybe? Good news is that we seem to have more receivers coming forward this year, or do we? Jordan Jones had 4 for 84 yds, Stewart 4 for 71, Nance 6 for 58 and O'Grady 3 for 38.

Need to get our TE's more involved.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 03:03:01 pm »

Improvements from the WR's for sure... not sure the O Line did any better or the defense though.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 03:03:21 pm »

The offense look pretty dadgum good. The defense has to step it up for the upcoming games
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 03:03:51 pm »

Solid win
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2017, 03:16:15 pm »

I'll take it
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2017, 03:26:22 pm »

Good win. A couple of those NMS guys (QB,WR)have a chance to play on Sundays.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2017, 03:30:03 pm »

they did not allow the running back anything
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 03:30:44 pm »

Looked good all around, play like that next week, eliminate the turnovers and we stand a good chance.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2017, 03:39:09 pm »

Good win. A couple of those NMS guys (QB,WR)have a chance to play on Sundays.

You may be right, but it seems to be the mantra after every game!
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 04:05:46 pm »

We faced a QB who typically gets the ball out early, so much more difficult to get pressure on him. We will likely see more of that from SEC teams in the future with better receivers, so we need to find a better way to create pressure. I will say however, that when we wanted to create extra pressure, we did. We need more of that. Are we holding back our pressures for the SEC schedule? We will see.

Perfect we aren't. Not where we need to be. Should have scored more than 50 on these guys and limited them to 14 or less, but we are improving overall. That said, Allen still doesn't look just right. Not sure what it is be he isn't the same QB from last year. Did the receivers from last year make him look better? Maybe? Good news is that we seem to have more receivers coming forward this year, or do we? Jordan Jones had 4 for 84 yds, Stewart 4 for 71, Nance 6 for 58 and O'Grady 3 for 38.

Need to get our TE's more involved.

This is a good point for the most part. My issue is when the guy had all day to throw it. I understand not getting pressure on a 3 step drop and put, but it seemed to me, more times than not, the guy had time to watch plays develop 15 yards down field. That's concerning to me.

I think we have the horses, I'm just not sure about the scheme.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2017, 04:07:06 pm »


Should of kicked the FG
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2017, 04:16:13 pm »

We only gave up 11 rushing yards.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2017, 04:22:15 pm »

We only gave up 11 rushing yards.

Nice. I don't think our defense was especially pumped up this game but still did this.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 04:25:00 pm »

We finally had some wideouts step up. Our running game took a step forward and we have some exciting talent in the backfield. Allen looked spot on minus the pick that he forced. O'Grady looks legit.

Defense looked soft like they didn't wanna get beat deep. I never understood that approach. But, they have a legit QB and good talent at WR..  Give them credit, they are pretty good on timing routes. We stuffed the run when they did try. Didn't seem to get enough pressure from rushing 3 and too many soft spots in the zone.....we gotta correct one or the other.

Special teams were solid.

Very little QB pressure. SEC games will be tough unless something changes
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 04:27:36 pm »

About as expected. There is no doubt at all Hogs can manhandle teams that have clearly inferior talent. Playing against SEC level talent is another challenge ...no doubt Hogs will beat Missouri, but the rest of the schedule still looks reasonably daunting. South Carolina will be a good test.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2017, 04:27:52 pm »


Yeah this was a 'sisters of the poor' game, that shouldn't be forgotten. 

They have 3 legit chances to win a SEC game this season and the first one is next weekend.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2017, 04:37:20 pm »

we all have our agendas huh sirpigs?
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2017, 05:05:34 pm »

We finally had some wideouts step up. Our running game took a step forward and we have some exciting talent in the backfield. Allen looked spot on minus the pick that he forced. O'Grady looks legit.

Defense looked soft like they didn't wanna get beat deep. I never understood that approach. But, they have a legit QB and good talent at WR..  Give them credit, they are pretty good on timing routes. We stuffed the run when they did try. Didn't seem to get enough pressure from rushing 3 and too many soft spots in the zone.....we gotta correct one or the other.

Special teams were solid.
Passing D still sucks. It makes me sick to watch this soft coverage. No pride and fight whatsoever. Just let them do whatever they want and go wherever they want.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2017, 05:08:09 pm »

We finally had some wideouts step up. Our running game took a step forward and we have some exciting talent in the backfield. Allen looked spot on minus the pick that he forced. O'Grady looks legit.

Defense looked soft like they didn't wanna get beat deep. I never understood that approach. But, they have a legit QB and good talent at WR..  Give them credit, they are pretty good on timing routes. We stuffed the run when they did try. Didn't seem to get enough pressure from rushing 3 and too many soft spots in the zone.....we gotta correct one or the other.

Special teams were solid.

I think we can see quite an impressive group of wide outs beginning to emerge. Happened last week a couple of times, and several times today, with very impressive speed and catches. Cause for a bit of optimism.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2017, 05:23:12 pm »

That said, Allen still doesn't look just right. Not sure what it is be he isn't the same QB from last year. Did the receivers from last year make him look better? Maybe?

I attribute his recent tentativeness to having been virtually murdered so often since taking over at QB. Seems to me it began sometime after mid-season last year, his effectiveness peaking at mid-season. He's still a pretty good QB, in my opinion, and will hopefully regain his previous sparkle.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2017, 06:17:04 pm »

It seems to be the issue is scheme related, but it also doesn't appear to be a vintage Rhodes defense. It seems like has been more aggressive in his past.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2017, 08:02:56 pm »

Mostly agree, although with the kick out of bounds and mediocre tackling I wasn't real impressed with special teams. I mean, they didn't run one back so there's that.
Our kick coverage team seems slow. I have no evidence other than the yardline we have reached when they field the ball, but I wonder if we have enough speed on the field covering kickoffs.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2017, 11:09:05 pm »

It seems to be the issue is scheme related, but it also doesn't appear to be a vintage Rhodes defense. It seems like has been more aggressive in his past.

Its almost exclusively prevent defense. Make teams have laborious drives, making them anxious or prone to mistakes, and add in the chance for a T/O. We seem to be pretty decent at CB and ILB but ordinary at OLB and undermanned at safety. This is about speed and tackling, but also game smarts - a career of being "bust up a running play" safety is too much for good coaching to completely undo with our safeties (it appears).

I also suspect they want to master the prevent and are worried that too many blitz packages leave them prone to gaffes in the back end. Remember, they do not have several years of repping the schemes in spring + fall practices. Only so many nuances will go in this first year.

Coverage units were good today. I think many of us are guilty of presuming that a kick that doesn't boom out of the EZ is a bad kick, or that they'd prefer all kicks to boom out of the EZ. They are using the improved team speed to try and pin teams deep. As big as a touchback is to fans, the momentum and emotional boost provided by a big coverage play is even bigger to players.

As for the OL, it is the slowest to be developed of any unit on the team. And, teams will know that is your weakness and go after it. This is no different than when Mallet and Wilson would be blasted for several weeks as the OL struggled to gain all the nuances of the system. I want to see growth over the season, and do not expect miracles game to game.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2017, 11:44:11 pm »

Yeah this was a 'sisters of the poor' game, that shouldn't be forgotten. 

They have 3 legit chances to win a SEC game this season and the first one is next weekend.
3 "legit" chances or 5? I count USCe, MSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou and now LSU.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2017, 01:27:17 pm »

we all have our agendas huh sirpigs?

Yes. The agenda here is finding positive things to talk about. If you can't do that, find one of the numerous other threads to be an idiot.
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Re: Mostly impressive showing from the hogs....
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2017, 01:30:27 pm »

Defense played vanilla on purpose.  Didn't want to take any chances getting gashed on a long pass so we gave them cushion.  The run was non existent.  Honestly starting to think we might win more games than originally thought after TCU. 
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