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A Modest Proposal
« on: September 27, 2017, 06:38:36 pm »

Do away with the "one and done rule." Make any kid who wants to play college basketball commit to three years. If he declares for the NBA draft out of high school and isn't drafted, he can go to Europe or learn to flip burgers at McDonald's. Get the AAU and the shoe companies out of college basketball. Return it to the concept of "student-athlete."
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2017, 06:51:06 pm »

Sounds like a rule to help NCAA basketball more than the NBA. The NBA has little incentive to make that rule, and they are only party that can do away with one-and-done.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2017, 07:09:42 pm »

Great idea, but I agree that the NBA is the issue.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 07:15:09 pm »

Let players who do not get drafted in the 1st round return to college, like in baseball. That way when someone declares and gets injured in workouts or isn't drafted, he can still go back to school.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 07:27:06 pm »

Let players who do not get drafted in the 1st round return to college, like in baseball. That way when someone declares and gets injured in workouts or isn't drafted, he can still go back to school.

Yeah there is absolutely no reason they can't make this happen.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 07:38:55 pm »

Sounds like a rule to help NCAA basketball more than the NBA. The NBA has little incentive to make that rule, and they are only party that can do away with one-and-done.
NBA vets love the rule.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 07:43:12 pm »

It is paradoxical to expect the product to improve by weeding out the most significant talents.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 09:08:49 pm »

NBA vets love the rule.

One-and-done?
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 09:20:08 pm »

I agree....it is terrible for college basketball. I also hope this purge of dishonest folks resets the stage for the better.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2017, 07:14:43 am »

The kids will simply go to the G-league or overseas. These top 100 kids typically only go to school to get more exposure.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2017, 08:47:13 am »

Do away with the "one and done rule." Make any kid who wants to play college basketball commit to three years. If he declares for the NBA draft out of high school and isn't drafted, he can go to Europe or learn to flip burgers at McDonald's. Get the AAU and the shoe companies out of college basketball. Return it to the concept of "student-athlete."

I think you can make it 2 years for basketball.

If you are good enough to get drafted out of High School, awesome. If not, you have to stay in college for 2 years. That means going to classes and stuff, not just an 8 month party like with most 5 star players.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2017, 08:59:02 am »

Sounds like a rule to help NCAA basketball more than the NBA. The NBA has little incentive to make that rule, and they are only party that can do away with one-and-done.
I don't think this is true at all. The NBA was in support of the one-and-done rule to begin with, because it kept people out of the league and draft who shouldn't have been there in the first place, and it provided them with slightly more mature products to evaluate and draft.
I like Wilson's proposal of 3 years, but I wouldn't make a rule declaring them ineligible if they aren't drafted. I think the biggest issue we could run into would be someone getting drafted, electing to go to college instead, and valuable picks being lost. That probably is why NBA team would be against that. That happens in baseball, but baseball's draft is so well organized and complex that teams generally know when that will or will not happen.
Maybe we just say 2 years? I think that really hurts the one-and-dones but helps everyone else.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2017, 09:10:14 am »

I don't think this is true at all. The NBA was in support of the one-and-done rule to begin with, because it kept people out of the league and draft who shouldn't have been there in the first place, and it provided them with slightly more mature products to evaluate and draft.
I like Wilson's proposal of 3 years, but I wouldn't make a rule declaring them ineligible if they aren't drafted. I think the biggest issue we could run into would be someone getting drafted, electing to go to college instead, and valuable picks being lost. That probably is why NBA team would be against that. That happens in baseball, but baseball's draft is so well organized and complex that teams generally know when that will or will not happen.
Maybe we just say 2 years? I think that really hurts the one-and-dones but helps everyone else.

Uh, if the NBA doesn't want players who "shouldn't have been there in the first place".....they have the power to not draft those players. And that's really the best want to keep unready players out of the draft. The NBA has talked out of both sides of its mouth on this issue. The commissioner wants a higher age limit but the teams themselves CLEARLY prefer talent as young as they can get it. There are juniors and seniors every year with stronger resumes getting passed over for freshmen and sophomores. The NBA says one thing but its actions show another.

The game of basketball is not a sport that necessitates longer development like football or even baseball. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to put this ultimatum on players to be ready for the NBA at 18 years old or they have to wait until they are 21 years old to get another chance. I can't fathom why so many of you think that is a good rule to put in place. A player should be able to enter the NBA at any age once they're out of high school because there is no reason to restrict players by age as shown by historical data and players also develop at different rates. If a player isn't ready for the NBA, then all 30 NBA teams shouldn't be drafting that player, right? You don't have to draft someone just because they're available. No sense. None.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 09:11:04 am »

Do away with the "one and done rule." Make any kid who wants to play college basketball commit to three years. If he declares for the NBA draft out of high school and isn't drafted, he can go to Europe or learn to flip burgers at McDonald's. Get the AAU and the shoe companies out of college basketball. Return it to the concept of "student-athlete."

Follow the baseball model. Seems to be working fine. Another point- until NCAA starts  punishing repeat offenders with the death penalty, then it will never change for the better. If you look at list of schools that are implicated in FBI sting, most have long history of cheating.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 09:13:11 am »

Do away with the "one and done rule." Make any kid who wants to play college basketball commit to three years. If he declares for the NBA draft out of high school and isn't drafted, he can go to Europe or learn to flip burgers at McDonald's. Get the AAU and the shoe companies out of college basketball. Return it to the concept of "student-athlete."
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2017, 09:13:26 am »

Follow the baseball model. Seems to be working fine.

It works fine for a different sport with different developmental needs. It also works fine for a league with an expansive and long-established minor league system. The NBA does not yet have 30 G-League teams, though they will be there soon.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2017, 09:13:41 am »

One-and-done?
Yes, they were the reason the NBA went away from straight out of high school.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2017, 09:18:11 am »

Uh, if the NBA doesn't want players who "shouldn't have been there in the first place".....they have the power to not draft those players. And that's really the best want to keep unready players out of the draft. The NBA has talked out of both sides of its mouth on this issue. The commissioner wants a higher age limit but the teams themselves CLEARLY prefer talent as young as they can get it. There are juniors and seniors every year with stronger resumes getting passed over for freshmen and sophomores. The NBA says one thing but its actions show another.

The game of basketball is not a sport that necessitates longer development like football or even baseball. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to put this ultimatum on players to be ready for the NBA at 18 years old or they have to wait until they are 21 years old to get another chance. I can't fathom why so many of you think that is a good rule to put in place. A player should be able to enter the NBA at any age once they're out of high school because there is no reason to restrict players by age as shown by historical data and players also develop at different rates. If a player isn't ready for the NBA, then all 30 NBA teams shouldn't be drafting that player, right? You don't have to draft someone just because they're available. No sense. None.

The NBA is its worst enemy when it come to the draft.  IMO the one and done rule was to save NBA front offices' from themselves.  Too many teams were taking risk on kids that played a good high school allstar game.  These rules were not needed until the NBA drafted on potential of what a kid could do. Teams would tell a kid he wasn't ready now they'll draft the kid and try to develop him.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 09:22:25 am »

The NBA is its worst enemy when it come to the draft.  IMO the one and done rule was to save NBA front offices' from themselves.  Too many teams were taking risk on kids that played a good high school allstar game.  These rules were not needed until the NBA drafted on potential of what a kid could do. Teams would tell a kid he wasn't ready now they'll draft the kid and try to develop him.

Dumb reason to make a rule.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 09:26:23 am »

Yes, they were the reason the NBA went away from straight out of high school.

You sure about that?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16237629/ten-years-nba-one-done-rule-no-less-controversial

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Many players object to this logic on principle, naturally. Union leaders have long observed how absurd it is that 18-year-olds can die in Afghanistan or fly a helicopter or buy a gun but not draw an NBA paycheck. "I started working when I was 13 in New York," NBPA executive director Michele Roberts told ESPN in 2014. "I've never not worked. I understand that you want to work to support yourself and your family. It offends me that there should be some artificial limits set on someone's ability to make a living."
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 09:35:36 am »

Dumb reason to make a rule.

Yeah it is, but they pretty much had to make the rule.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 09:41:00 am »

expand the g-league
adopt the baseball rule, right out of hs, or 3 years in college
raise the g-league pay
NBA contracts like MLB contracts, if kid does not make it, they will pay for college.

this is not real difficult. bottom line the nba does not want to pay for it
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 09:41:32 am »

Let players who do not get drafted in the 1st round return to college, like in baseball. That way when someone declares and gets injured in workouts or isn't drafted, he can still go back to school.

I like this!
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 09:47:11 am »

expand the g-league
adopt the baseball rule, right out of hs, or 3 years in college
raise the g-league pay
NBA contracts like MLB contracts, if kid does not make it, they will pay for college.

this is not real difficult. bottom line the nba does not want to pay for it

I'm not sure it's that simple. Baseball's minor league development system is super complex. The two sports developmentally aren't comparable.
The reality is most G-League players just aren't good enough. Minor League Baseball works because there are enough players who want to play in it. Those not good enough to play in the NBA can make lots of money elsewhere. Opportunities overseas are fewer in baseball (basically just Japan and Korea pay enough to receive consideration). Why would you languish in the G-League when you could make $10MM/year in China?
The NBA, as already mentioned, doesn't like the high school draftees because they can't evaluate them well enough. The risks of making one bad top-10 pick are enormous. Heads roll when a bad pick is made. One-and-done or two-and-done alleviates that problem slightly.
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Re: A Modest Proposal
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2017, 09:51:29 am »

I'm not sure it's that simple. Baseball's minor league development system is super complex. The two sports developmentally aren't comparable.
The reality is most G-League players just aren't good enough. Minor League Baseball works because there are enough players who want to play in it. Those not good enough to play in the NBA can make lots of money elsewhere. Opportunities overseas are fewer in baseball (basically just Japan and Korea pay enough to receive consideration). Why would you languish in the G-League when you could make $10MM/year in China?
The NBA, as already mentioned, doesn't like the high school draftees because they can't evaluate them well enough. The risks of making one bad top-10 pick are enormous. Heads roll when a bad pick is made. One-and-done or two-and-done alleviates that problem slightly.

it is that simple. if you don't want to risk drafting a hs kid, then don't.
the draft is a gamble every year.
that is why they get paid the big bucks.
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