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Improvement from TCU game to A@M game

Yes
- 111 (64.5%)
No
- 34 (19.8%)
Couldn't tell a difference. Stayed the same.
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mckinneyhog5

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Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« on: September 26, 2017, 11:47:38 pm »

Regardless of win or loss...did the hogs improve?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2017, 11:58:22 pm by mckinneyhog5 »
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from gate 2 to game 3
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 11:52:31 pm »

No....we lost. See, in the real world that is what counts...Wins...and Losses...

Nobody ever went up to lil Jimmy after he tried jumping that ditch for the 37th time and as the ambulance drove away, looked down at Jimmy, no teeth left, one ear torn off and said hey Jimmy, progression son. You cleared the stream this time.

We lost. Zero progression.

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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from gate 2 to game 3
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2017, 11:57:23 pm »

No....we lost. See, in the real world that is what counts...Wins...and Losses...

Nobody ever went up to lil Jimmy after he tried jumped that ditch for the 37th time and as the ambulance drove away, looked down at Jimmy, no teeth left, one ear torn off and said hey Jimmy, progression son. You cleared the stream this time.

We lost. Zero progression.

PRJ
So, yes we did improve but I'm willing to cry about the wins but count a loss as just a loss.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from gate 2 to game 3
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2017, 11:59:20 pm »

No....we lost. See, in the real world that is what counts...Wins...and Losses...

Nobody ever went up to lil Jimmy after he tried jumped that ditch for the 37th time and as the ambulance drove away, looked down at Jimmy, no teeth left, one ear torn off and said hey Jimmy, progression son. You cleared the stream this time.

We lost. Zero progression.

PRJ

This is stupid.  So the only way you could possibly see improvement is whether we win or lose a game???  So let's say we go into OT against New Mexico St., but we win the game - does that mean we have improved?  And then we travel to Bama and go into OT against them, but lose the game 38-35 - does that mean we regressed just bc we lost the game?

Not saying that we improved this week (I think we did improve on offense and slightly regressed on defense), I am just saying that your rationale is completely ridiculous and does not make much sense.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2017, 12:06:44 am »

This is stupid.  So the only way you could possibly see improvement is whether we win or lose a game???  So let's say we go into OT against New Mexico St., but we win the game - does that mean we have improved?  And then we travel to Bama and go into OT against them, but lose the game 38-35 - does that mean we regressed just bc we lost the game?

Not saying that we improved this week (I think we did improve on offense and slightly regressed on defense), I am just saying that your rationale is completely ridiculous and does not make much sense.

Here is what makes sense. In year 5, game 3, we lost. We aren't in year one..or year two, where we can count our baby steps as progress and chalk it up to seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Year 5, we shouldn't be looking at progress as some moral victory. It isn't. We lost.

Jimmy had tried to jump the ditch 36 times. He tried it a 37th time. Just cuz he made it over the stream doesn't mean he cleared the other side of the embankment. He still failed. His momma took his bike away from him. Jimmy never did clear it.

Winners and losers.

PRJ
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2017, 12:07:34 am »

Improved, was actually a very entertaining high drama game.  Mute point though because Bielema fielded an unprepared team AGAIN vs TCU. 
« Last Edit: September 27, 2017, 12:41:10 am by longpig »
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2017, 12:12:49 am »

Here is what makes sense. In year 5, game 3, we lost. We aren't in year one..or year two, where we can count our baby steps as progress and chalk it up to seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Year 5, we shouldn't be looking at progress as some moral victory. It isn't. We lost.

Jimmy had tried to jump the ditch 36 times. He tried it a 37th time. Just cuz he made it over the stream doesn't mean he cleared the other side of the embankment. He still failed. His momma took his bike away from him. Jimmy never did clear it.

Winners and losers.

PRJ

I am not arguing with you about whether we improved or not, and I do not think anyone could argue with that fact that in year 5, we have not seen the improvement and therefore have regressed this year.

I am arguing with your rationale of concluding whether we have improved or not based on either winning or losing a game.  That is an extremely stupid argument, but I am starting to sense that you are not too bright...
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2017, 12:18:41 am »

Need more beasts on the d line like agim, outside him zero production and zero depth. Bama has 6 agims they can rotate. Our O line is like 4 guys you find at the hper with ragnow in the middle. But offensive play calling improved to feed Hayden and WR Jones last game.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2017, 12:19:10 am »

I tried to vote but couldn't find the option about teeth. But I am sure that we lost to a worse team Saturday than we did 2 weeks before that, teeth or no teeth.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2017, 12:23:37 am »

I am not arguing with you about whether we improved or not, and I do not think anyone could argue with that fact that in year 5, we have not seen the improvement and therefore have regressed this year.

I am arguing with your rationale of concluding whether we have improved or not based on either winning or losing a game.  That is an extremely stupid argument, but I am starting to sense that you are not too bright...

You can sense whatever you want...it is you who is dim. The fact is they do not give awards for progression. They do not write you up in the history books for showing some progress..this isn't the 6th week of school and a progress report is sent home.

All that counts is sports, in competition is Wins...And losses. Do you want me to repeat again for you slowly? All.that.matters.in.the.life.of.competition.is.wins.and.losses.

I have forgot more than you likely will ever know.

You people are starved for daddy to pat your heads arent you? Tell you that you did good...Jeez.

PRJ
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2017, 12:26:11 am »

You can sense whatever you want...it is you who is dim. The fact is they do not give awards for progression. They do not write you up in the history books for showing some progress..this isn't the 6th week of school and a progress report is sent home.

All that counts is sports, in competition is Wins...And losses. Do you want me to repeat again for you slowly? All.that.matters.in.the.life.of.competition.is.wins.and.losses.

I have forgot more than you likely will ever know.

You people are starved for daddy to pat your heads arent you? Tell you that you did good...Jeez.

PRJ

Haha wow, you completely have missed the point.  I agree that all that matters in competitive sports is winning at the end of the day.  Again, went right over your head...I can clearly see that you will not be able to understand what I am saying, so I am done wasting my time arguing with you.  Good day sir.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2017, 12:30:51 am »

Haha wow, you completely have missed the point.  I agree that all that matters in competitive sports is winning at the end of the day.  Again, went right over your head...I can clearly see that you will not be able to understand what I am saying, so I am done wasting my time arguing with you.  Good day sir.

You're missing my point. I don't care about progress in year 5. I care about wins. I am not looking for sparklers. Not looking for light, not looking for moral.victories.

Progress. Year 5 and we are talking about progress.

Good night

PRJ
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2017, 12:36:33 am »

We looked not so anemic on offense against a really bad team.  Why does that matter?  Doesn't prove a thing until we play another good team.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2017, 12:39:30 am »

Technically, I don't think they improved much at all.

Their attitude was much better though which resulted in somewhat better play.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2017, 12:48:19 am »

There was offensive improvement... we scored 43 points... and that should beat anyone in the SEC. But while the offense improved, the defense got much worse, allowing big chunks of running and passing plays.  So, balance everything out, and there wasn't enough improvement to write home about.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2017, 03:58:09 am »

yeah buddy did we improve...we were hitting on all cylinders, especially on defense...did you see that kick off coverage when some kid from A&M ran it down the sideline and we couldn't even push him out of bounds, but at least we tried...and then we are ahead with 4 minutes to go and we kick off to the A&M Twelfth Man and he ran it back from the thirty yard line to just past midfield...why we couldn't even tackle a kid from the student population before he got them in excellent field goal position to start a drive to tie the game and send it into overtime...but at least we tried...we were running around like a "wild bunch of Razorback hogs"...I see an SEC title if we continue to improve at the current rate....one thing I didn't understand though, was why our coach almost broke down and cried during the post game presser ?  oh well, maybe it was laughter through tears, my favorite emotion
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 05:26:19 am »

Don't know about improved but we proved we couldn't beat A&M again....
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 05:39:05 am »

yeah buddy did we improve...we were hitting on all cylinders, especially on defense...did you see that kick off coverage when some kid from A&M ran it down the sideline and we couldn't even push him out of bounds, but at least we tried...and then we are ahead with 4 minutes to go and we kick off to the A&M Twelfth Man and he ran it back from the thirty yard line to just past midfield...why we couldn't even tackle a kid from the student population before he got them in excellent field goal position to start a drive to tie the game and send it into overtime...but at least we tried...we were running around like a "wild bunch of Razorback hogs"...I see an SEC title if we continue to improve at the current rate....one thing I didn't understand though, was why our coach almost broke down and cried during the post game presser ?  oh well, maybe it was laughter through tears, my favorite emotion

I'm ready for Bielema to be shown the door, but that kickoff return for a TD was horsecrap. The player that would have pushed kirk out of bounds was held and then basically tackled. Could chalk it up to the refs trying to make up for the blown TD but then they wouldn't have an excuse for that pass interference in OT.

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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2017, 07:40:41 am »

I voted stay the same.

The offense improved, much better on 3rd downs and put 43 points on the board

The defense looked worse, gave up over 500 yards of offense to a third string QB.

The special teams, made their kicks but failed to cover their kicks.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2017, 07:50:40 am »

The lengths that some will go to justify a losing program just boggles the mind. 5 years of this idiocy.....
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2017, 08:05:35 am »

The lengths that some will go to justify a losing program just boggles the mind. 5 years of this idiocy.....

Who is justifying a losing program?  I don't see many. Looking for improvement doesn't justify anything. We are stuck with Bielema for the season. Some people are just looking for any bright spot they can find to try and enjoy football season. That's it. When the season is over it's time to partways with Bielema. Until then, I'll try to enjoy what parts I can. Football season is too shortlived to spend it bitter and pissed off the entire time (at least it is for me).
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2017, 08:08:33 am »

Not a chance. TCU is a legit team. A&M is akin to a sunbelt team.

Not surprising our fanbase will now try and make A&M a super power.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2017, 08:12:21 am »

I'm ready for Bielema to be shown the door, but that kickoff return for a TD was horsecrap. The player that would have pushed kirk out of bounds was held and then basically tackled. Could chalk it up to the refs trying to make up for the blown TD but then they wouldn't have an excuse for that pass interference in OT.


Pretty evenly called game. There was another big 3rd down in the second half we converted for 20 or 30 yards where we had a blatant block in the back that didn't get called.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2017, 08:19:09 am »

Pretty evenly called game. There was another big 3rd down in the second half we converted for 20 or 30 yards where we had a blatant block in the back that didn't get called.

Bad calls are gonna happen for sure. But doesnt negate the fact that he scored BECAUSE they missed a call. He more than likely would have been pushed out or tackled. Doesn't mean we would have won (no doubt we would have screwed it up anyway) but that TD can't totally be blamed on the defense.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2017, 08:29:47 am »

We didn't win, but we definitely improved, especially on offense. If the line showed even a sign of life we could be a top 25 team
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2017, 08:35:42 am »

Not enough to be any kind of a significant force in the SEC. 

If all the tarot cards come out right, Maybr (BIG Maybe) you sneak in and steal a W in Columbia.  Outside of that, Mizzou at home.

Don't really see much past that in conference play....at best.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2017, 08:39:03 am »

Still can't play defense
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2017, 08:42:25 am »

Sad we are still starting SLOW Again in Year 5.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2017, 08:52:58 am »

The defense and special teams has not improved.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from gate 2 to game 3
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2017, 08:55:22 am »

So, yes we did improve but I'm willing to cry about the wins but count a loss as just a loss.

Ya PRJ is on his crusade and will dismiss everything that contradicts him.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2017, 08:57:26 am »

You're missing my point. I don't care about progress in year 5. I care about wins. I am not looking for sparklers. Not looking for light, not looking for moral.victories.

Progress. Year 5 and we are talking about progress.

Good night

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So, you were totally cool with game 1 of the season? You weren't critical of our win?
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2017, 09:01:54 am »

Who is justifying a losing program?  I don't see many. Looking for improvement doesn't justify anything. We are stuck with Bielema for the season. Some people are just looking for any bright spot they can find to try and enjoy football season. That's it. When the season is over it's time to partways with Bielema. Until then, I'll try to enjoy what parts I can. Football season is too shortlived to spend it bitter and pissed off the entire time (at least it is for me).
That may be your stance, and it certainly is reasonable, but not so much with numerous other posters, who are willing to make any excuse for CBB and his miserable 5 year record.... I could name names but I won't.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2017, 09:17:10 am »

So, you were totally cool with game 1 of the season? You weren't critical of our win?

Yeah. We won...which we were supposed to do. Win.

And the only crusade I am on is a winning football program.  I realize your Bielema colored glasses make you think that I am on some unfair crusade against the man but you are wrong.

Again, I will ask you. I have asked this question to several and not a one can answer it with any thing other that nananana boo boo.

Tell me, on the field, where Bret is making this program better. Tell me how he has improved this football team in 5 years. I don't want integrity, no arrests, model citizens...on the field.

PRJ
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2017, 09:19:30 am »

yes, we did improve from TCU to A&M
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2017, 09:20:58 am »

Yeah. We won...which we were supposed to do. Win.

And the only crusade I am on is a winning football program.  I realize your Bielema colored glasses make you think that I am on some unfair crusade against the man but you are wrong.

Again, I will ask you. I have asked this question to several and not a one can answer it with any thing other that nananana boo boo.

Tell me, on the field, where Bret is making this program better. Tell me how he has improved this football team in 5 years. I don't want integrity, no arrests, model citizens...on the field.

PRJ

He hasn't, which is why I am ready for him to be replaced at the end of the year. However, reaching that point does not mean I have to abandon honesty and reasonable thinking.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2017, 09:59:00 am »

Regardless of win or loss...did the hogs improve?

I think you are missing at least two options. The first of course is "Frito Pie", I thought that was mandatory for all hogville polls. Kidding aside, there ought to be a "maybe/ don't Know" option. Simply because A&M is really bad, especially on Defense. So the fact that the Offense looked better than it had in the previous two games may not be improvement, but simply an indication of the quality of the team. Defense as well could have actually improved, but because the D-Coordinator was playing it safe, we actually look worse.

Now if we shutdown NMSU's Offense and have enough of a cushion that Cole plays the entire 4th quarter as QB, then I think it's safe to say we have improved.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2017, 10:41:48 am »

Poor question.  While we improved in one area (WRs getting open), we clearly regressed in others........
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2017, 10:42:56 am »

yes, we did improve from TCU to A&M

Really?  Special Teams?  Defense? 
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2017, 10:48:55 am »

Really?  Special Teams?  Defense?

offense improved

def line and secondary improved

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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2017, 11:26:39 am »

offense improved

def line and secondary improved

Ya I was ok withe the secondary considering we lost our best player for the season.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2017, 11:45:36 am »

No we didn't improve.. we still lost.  it is the same script do one thing better and two worse.  keep making the same stupid penalties at crucial times..  keep having special team breakdowns at crucial times. offense scores 43, but the defense gives up 43 + special teams 7....need a  late in the game stop on defense we  let them go 52 yards in 3 plays.   kick off team defends 5 kickoffs or how ever many  great then lets a guy  go 100  late in the game .  defense plays great (all except for 10 plays or whatever) but those 10 give up huge chunks of yardage..........  it never changes.. Hell NO we did not improve.  how can anybody fall for what looks like improvement in one or two  areas when overall it continues to be the same inconsistent play  half to half and week to week......
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2017, 12:15:25 pm »

Who is justifying a losing program?  I don't see many. Looking for improvement doesn't justify anything. We are stuck with Bielema for the season. Some people are just looking for any bright spot they can find to try and enjoy football season. That's it. When the season is over it's time to partways with Bielema. Until then, I'll try to enjoy what parts I can. Football season is too shortlived to spend it bitter and pissed off the entire time (at least it is for me).

Well said. These are my exact thoughts as well.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2017, 12:20:05 pm »

Yes on offense no on defense. 1 step forward 2 back
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2017, 12:21:03 pm »

we did better in game 3, except a few bad plays on defense
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2017, 12:21:41 pm »

No....we lost. See, in the real world that is what counts...Wins...and Losses...

Nobody ever went up to lil Jimmy after he tried jumping that ditch for the 37th time and as the ambulance drove away, looked down at Jimmy, no teeth left, one ear torn off and said hey Jimmy, progression son. You cleared the stream this time.

We lost. Zero progression.

PRJ

Well, that's pretty harsh, don't you think? The Poll was about one progression, not the 37th...
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #45 on: September 27, 2017, 12:27:23 pm »

Regardless of win or loss...did the hogs improve?
Yes. But the rest of our schedule is not standing still.

Offense: better, more creative
RB: more carries for the hot hands
WR: Nance seems to be emerging. losing J-red will hurt.
TE: finding out which ones can be clutch and which ones are merely good
OL: hot mess but at least they are working through it. were better in the 4th after CBB pushed CKA aside and crawled up their asses
QB: better than TCU, but still making key mistakes.
Short yardage/Red Zone: MUCH better

Defense: hard to tell
DB: clearly worse due to injuries
DL: hard to tell when we rushed 3 all game.. 3 can't pressure 5, because math
LB: 2 good plays, one bust... improvement? not yet

Special Teams: still a dumpster fire, still bad--just in different ways
FG: we made one. Strike up the Band!!
KO/Punting: WTH. Bad play calling and execution here cost us the game.
KR/PR: one good return.... otherwise still something you hope you don't screw up instead of an opportunity to make a big play like they should
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #46 on: September 27, 2017, 12:31:36 pm »

Who is justifying a losing program?  I don't see many. Looking for improvement doesn't justify anything. We are stuck with Bielema for the season. Some people are just looking for any bright spot they can find to try and enjoy football season. That's it. When the season is over it's time to partways with Bielema. Until then, I'll try to enjoy what parts I can. Football season is too shortlived to spend it bitter and pissed off the entire time (at least it is for me).

Amen!  9 more games = stay bitter and grow worse so, or be positive and don't have a coronary, don't let the kids see we have irrational fans that have given up...  Bottom line: CBB is not going anywhere till, at the earliest, after the Mizzou game.
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Re: Simple poll..did we improve from game 2 to game 3
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2017, 12:55:24 pm »

both of our linebacker coaches should be fired from last Saturday

that's it - that's who lost the game for us - Chad Walker and Vernon Hargreaves

they were unprepared, and did a disservice to their own players and the program

one kickoff returned for a TD? It happens

our linebackers missed reads all day, especially the second half, fact

that's not on Paul Rhoads and it's not on the def line coach John Whatshisname - their guys were prepared

it would not surprise me if Rhoads approached CBB Sunday and broached the subject of Wally Burnham being bumped up from analyst. It would not surprise me if that's still on the table
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