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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 12:28:59 am »


If there was such a thing as a 'vote of no confidence' for Long, he should get one.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 12:30:04 am »

Yikes.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 12:31:05 am »

The writer was scary accurate.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2012/jeff-long-arkansas-athletic-director/

Yes.  I think an eventual BB transition could be amicable and even beneficial to his career and our program. 

JL is a whole other ballgame.

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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 12:33:16 am »

Reading that makes me furious all over again. I had forgotten that John  L. called himself a "CEO coach" who relied on assistants just like our current buffoon.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 06:39:58 am »

Reading that makes me furious all over again. I had forgotten that John  L. called himself a "CEO coach" who relied on assistants just like our current buffoon.

You realize Frank was kind of like that CEO type also as well as a host of other successful head coaches.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 06:48:00 am »

That article loses its credibility to me when it blames Long for the way petrino parted Atlanta.  Long didn't have anything to do with Petrino parting that place.  Petrino left a crap show because of the Vick thing, however though I do believe he did it wrong to those players. 

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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 06:58:02 am »

I do not think Long wanted to promote Paul Petrino so he brings in Smith.  I thought it was a good move also at the time.

I also thought CBB was a good move at the time.  So I am not blaming Long for that.

But I do blame him for the long and very expensive Buy Out for CBB when CBB had a very bad losing record in the SEC at the time.  Sure after the Texas win we thought CBB had the train running down hill but that buy out was too expensive and way too long.

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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 07:40:24 am »

That article loses its credibility to me when it blames Long for the way petrino parted Atlanta.  Long didn't have anything to do with Petrino parting that place.  Petrino left a crap show because of the Vick thing, however though I do believe he did it wrong to those players. 



I believe I read back then that Long told Petrino he had to take the Arkansas job NOW or it was no deal.
Long wouldn't wait for the NFL season to end.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 07:52:13 am »

That article loses its credibility to me when it blames Long for the way petrino parted Atlanta.  Long didn't have anything to do with Petrino parting that place.  Petrino left a crap show because of the Vick thing, however though I do believe he did it wrong to those players. 



Petrino was leaving Atlanta that season no matter what I believe. It was just a matter of how soon could he get out of town. Not sure if Long would have waited until the end of the NFL season.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 07:56:58 am »

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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 08:01:11 am »

I believe I read back then that Long told Petrino he had to take the Arkansas job NOW or it was no deal.
Long wouldn't wait for the NFL season to end.

That's exactly right.  And then through the entire crap show that Petrino went through after that, and remember, it was bad...Long could have taken some of the heat of of Petrino by simply admitting that he gave Petrino no choice.   But he didn't, of course.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 08:08:28 am »

I believe I read back then that Long told Petrino he had to take the Arkansas job NOW or it was no deal.
Long wouldn't wait for the NFL season to end.

There was a lot of heat on Long after both Bowden and Grobe turned him down.  I'm sure he felt he couldn't afford to wait another 3 weeks.  At the time Michigan (and if I remember correctly another "name" school) was/were looking for a head coach.  Obviously it wasn't a good look but I can't blame Long for pulling the trigger.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 08:44:07 am »

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There’s nothing in Long’s past performance to give Arkansas fans much confidence in his ability to hire his third coach in a year.

Prior to Arkansas, Long’s only football coaching hire was Dave Wannstedt at Pittsburgh; it’s not exactly rocket science to hire an alumnus of the school who was a two-time NFL head coach and, by all accounts, a model citizen.

Now that the Petrino and Smith firings have blown up in Long’s face, Arkansas Chancellor G. David Gearhart needs to think long and hard–no pun intended–whether he trusts Long to get things right the third time around.

4th time is a charm?
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 08:59:24 am »

5 years ago you guys was patting him on the back for hiring Bret! Just stop it!
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2017, 09:08:30 am »

5 years ago you guys was patting him on the back for hiring Bret! Just stop it!

Everyone was patting ARKANSAS on the back for hiring a guy who had just won the BIG10 for a 3rd time. You can look back in hindsight and say it didn't work out, but not one thing AT THE TIME was bad about that hire.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2017, 04:38:11 pm »

5 years ago you guys was patting him on the back for hiring Bret! Just stop it!

Ummm not this guy.  I said when he was hired that he wouldn't work out.  I said it was HDN 2.0 and of course was roasted.  I HATE HDN but in terms of wins it's been no where close to HDN 2.0.

The two best coaches since JFB has been Holtz and BP, what do those two guys have in common ?
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2017, 08:40:45 am »

Ummm not this guy.  I said when he was hired that he wouldn't work out.  I said it was HDN 2.0 and of course was roasted.  I HATE HDN but in terms of wins it's been no where close to HDN 2.0.

The two best coaches since JFB has been Holtz and BP, what do those two guys have in common ?

They were hard to work for and with cause they were DEMANDING!
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2017, 08:53:26 am »

Ummm not this guy.  I said when he was hired that he wouldn't work out.  I said it was HDN 2.0 and of course was roasted.  I HATE HDN but in terms of wins it's been no where close to HDN 2.0.
Ummm not this guy.  I said when he was hired that he wouldn't work out.  I said it was HDN 2.0 and of course was roasted.  I HATE HDN but in terms of wins it's been no where close to HDN 2.0.

The two best coaches since JFB has been Holtz and BP, what do those two guys have in common ?

I said the same thing. ANY competent couch would have won more than 3 games that first season, no ifs, ands, or buts...
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2017, 01:53:21 pm »

I said the same thing. ANY competent couch would have won more than 3 games that first season, no ifs, ands, or buts...

Yep
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2017, 02:08:07 pm »

Everyone was patting ARKANSAS on the back for hiring a guy who had just won the BIG10 for a 3rd time. You can look back in hindsight and say it didn't work out, but not one thing AT THE TIME was bad about that hire.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2017, 02:10:09 pm »



It like marrying  a hot chick only to see her bloom up 200 pounds , gives you no kids and never cleans the house.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2017, 02:23:46 pm »

The writer was scary accurate.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2012/jeff-long-arkansas-athletic-director/

First David G. Gearhart is not in a position to think about Long, since he retired as Chancellor in 2015.

Second:  Long is not the man to lead our athletics program anymore.  The most important thing an AD can do is hire the football coach among the stable of coaches that lead the other programs in his department.  If there is to be a replacement for CBB it MUST not be made by Long.  He's proved over time that he doesn't understand what goes into making a good coach and what attributes such a person needs to have for success, especially in the SEC. 

Pitt is one glaring example of Long's poor judgement. And the attempt to get Grobe and the former Clemson coach, before he was made to take a look at Petrino by boosters or certain B of T members.  People should listen to what Barry Alvarez said about how he handles his coaches at UW in his talk before the Little Rock TD Club.  Granted there aren't many out there like Barry, but it gives you some perspective of how a good AD might view his job with coaches who run programs.

Long can't possibly know how coaches are doing by watching them in practice, at meetings and by their results on the field.  He just doesn't have the expertise.

Third:  Long didn't use one of BP's assistant to coach in 2012 because he didn't want that person to succeed.  There was a great danger that I'm sure he felt if, say, Bobby's brother got the interim job in 2012.  What if there was success during the season followed by intense clamoring to keep the interim for the permanent job?  Same goes for anyone else on the staff that would have kept continuity going in the interim year.  NO, I believe Long wanted to wipe the slate clean with his own choice.

The only problem with his own choice is that he's not competent to make that choice.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2017, 02:59:33 pm »

This Job is just too big for Jeff Long.
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Re: 5 years ago: Interesting Looking Back On This...
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2017, 03:45:32 pm »

It like marrying  a hot chick only to see her bloom up 200 pounds , gives you no kids and never cleans the house.

It might have taken 66,000 posts but this one is hilarious  ;D
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