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Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« on: September 18, 2017, 03:54:19 pm »

Was Texas just a fluke? Would you consider him here? Another Arkansas native with impeccable football credentials.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2017, 03:56:24 pm »

0-1 vs. Bret Bielema (was a beat down)

loss to Kansas in year 3 despite all the talent he had at Texas

Charlie is better suited for Florida

We need someone better

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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2017, 03:59:59 pm »

Was Texas just a fluke? Would you consider him here? Another Arkansas native with impeccable football credentials.

They've beaten SJSU, Stony Brook, and Illinois. All of which they were heavy favorites.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2017, 04:03:49 pm »

Was Texas just a fluke? Would you consider him here? Another Arkansas native with impeccable football credentials.

I don't know that 16-21 in the Big 12 is impeccable. 
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2017, 04:04:11 pm »

I just dont think we can overlook him. At some point soon, that man is going to win a NC. Maybe not at USF, but somewhere.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2017, 04:08:46 pm »

I just dont think we can overlook him. At some point soon, that man is going to win a NC. Maybe not at USF, but somewhere.
  I like him but that's a big ask
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2017, 04:11:35 pm »

That (USF) was a case where the cupboard was totally full and stocked when he arrived. 11-2 last season with 16 returning starters.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2017, 04:13:33 pm »

  I like him but that's a big ask

Agree.  He's in his upper 50's and with the in-state recruiting contacts he made while at UofF, he can get ample talent to win at USF.  USF may well be his last stop, especially considering the money ($25MM with the buyout) he made at Texas.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 04:14:21 pm »

First off, I like Charlie a lot.  He's a good moral guy and a good coach.  However, you do realize that he inherited a top 25 team.  Plus, his wins are to San Jose St, Stony Brook, and a terrible Illinois team.  Not exactly world beaters there...
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2017, 04:17:21 pm »

Texas is what was wrong with Texas. Not Charlie Strong.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2017, 04:45:38 pm »

I always thought he had pretty good teams at Louisville. Don't know what happened at tx. Think it was a lot of problems and not just one
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2017, 04:46:39 pm »

this was a ready made team and the success has very little to do with Charlie.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2017, 04:53:02 pm »

Was Texas just a fluke? Would you consider him here? Another Arkansas native with impeccable football credentials.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2017, 04:53:14 pm »

this was a ready made team and the success has very little to do with Charlie.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2017, 04:53:53 pm »

Texas is what was wrong with Texas. Not Charlie Strong.

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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2017, 05:07:47 pm »

I think both CBB and Charlie Strong are good coaches.  However, I do not think either of them are the type of coach we need.  There is absolutely nothing short of recruiting "richer" freshmen that will ever give Arkansas the leg up in the SEC.  We need a coach that believes in innovation on at least one side of the ball.  Either that or a hands off CEO type who has amazing coordinators.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2017, 05:08:40 pm »

I just dont think we can overlook him. At some point soon, that man is going to win a NC. Maybe not at USF, but somewhere.

He's winning an NC if he coaches to 150, maybe.

C'mon, man.   He danged near blew USF's season opener, by falling being 16 to SJSU-- really, without a few screw ups just before half,  SJSU probably wins that game instead of going into a full meltdown.

The guy inherited a Top 20 type situation, and a league with no competition;  if he doesn't win 11 games, he doesn't have a pulse this year.  You want to make a case for Charlie?  Get back with how he's doing 2 years from now, when it is his show and his people that have to do the heavy lifting.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2017, 06:14:03 pm »

That (USF) was a case where the cupboard was totally full and stocked when he arrived. 11-2 last season with 16 returning starters.

This is probably a good reason of why the success is happening. 
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2017, 06:15:21 pm »

I thought Strong was the obvious choice for Arkansas.


BB would have been a better fit at Texas


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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2017, 06:37:51 pm »

Charlie Strong is a good man and a damn good football coach
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2017, 06:52:03 pm »

Charlie Strong is a good man and a damn good football coach

He did pretty good at Louisville. Wonder how he would be doing now that they are in the ACC.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2017, 07:02:33 pm »

Strong is a good coach and is in a favorable situation this year, however I am not a supporter of a defensive coordinator as a head coach, at least not for Arkansas. It is a different mindset.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2017, 07:15:46 pm »

I thought Strong was the obvious choice for Arkansas.


BB would have been a better fit at Texas


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I don't know if Strong is a good HC or not but I 1000% agree that Texas was a shithole toxic situation to walk into and he would have been a better fit here.


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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2017, 07:22:52 pm »

I would hate it if Charlie Strong came here as a head coach.  You think Bielema is conservative?   Strong makes him look like Petrino.  I don't think Charlie Strong has the fireworks to have Arkansas competing in the SEC.  If we end up having to hire a new coach,  it would be very disappointing if it were him.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2017, 07:39:21 pm »

He's reaping the fruit off of Willie Tygarts program. Kind of like Les Miles first 2 years at LSU.. He reaped off Nick Saban's program..
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2017, 07:43:57 pm »

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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2017, 08:31:22 pm »

I think Charlie will do quite well down here. He is a killer recruiter, and he can work the Tampa and Orlando areas with the occasional trip to Broward and Miami-Dade counties.

If he could steal away  two or three recruits from The Big Three here in Florida,  and fill the rest of his roster  with guys who those schools turned down ,  I think he'll be just fine. Texas was just a bad fit from the beginning.

I hope he does well, even though I wouldn't want him as our head coach I like him and have a lot of respect for him.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2017, 08:33:16 pm »

Was Texas just a fluke? Would you consider him here? Another Arkansas native with impeccable football credentials.

I see you're working on your post count.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2017, 08:37:52 pm »

I see you're working on your post count.

If that is the case, he may as well give up. I think Delta has lapped the field two or three times.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2017, 08:46:17 pm »

First off, I like Charlie a lot.  He's a good moral guy and a good coach.  However, you do realize that he inherited a top 25 team.  Plus, his wins are to San Jose St, Stony Brook, and a terrible Illinois team.  Not exactly world beaters there...

Eventually we will stop caring about morals in football and treat it like we do the presidency, realizing they don't actually matter if you (think you) are winning.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 10:17:16 pm »

FRACK NO!!!!!!! I swear I just can NOT fathom that people really believe some of the crap they post...
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 10:22:43 pm »

FRACK NO!!!!!!! I swear I just can NOT fathom that people really believe some of the crap they post...

Completely agree. And then they go on to bitch about uniforms. I can't understand the logic of this board on most days.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2017, 07:19:17 am »

Well, consider the source.  If you can't at least break even at Texas, you can't coach.  If Nick Saban ever took that gig, it would be over for every other program.  You literally don't even have to leave the state to field a top 10 team.  Some people need to learn they were just meant to be specialty position coaches and not head coaches (CEO's) of a program.  Add Charlie to the list of Ed O and Norm Chow.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2017, 07:36:42 am »

I see you're working on your post count.

No, Im pretty sure this is a legitimate question. Hes a good coach. SEC experience through the wazzoo. Highly respected and capable. And from Arkansas. Plus hes coaching at a Tier 2 program right now. Someone big is going to pick him up again. Unless yourre into those young, inexperienced types.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2017, 07:49:43 am »

I don't know if Strong is a good HC or not but I 1000% agree that Texas was a shithole toxic situation to walk into and he would have been a better fit here.
Still is. Boosters have more power than the AD. Can only imagine the effect that has on the team itself
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2017, 08:21:01 am »

I don't know if Strong is a good HC or not but I 1000% agree that Texas was a shithole toxic situation to walk into and he would have been a better fit here.





He'd have been a good fit at Arkansas culture wise.


That is BBs biggest issue.  He appears to struggle to relate to some players.


That was half a decade ago.  UA needs to look elsewhere next hire.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2017, 08:25:20 am »


He'd have been a good fit at Arkansas culture wise.


That is BBs biggest issue.  He appears to struggle to relate to some players.


That was half a decade ago.  UA needs to look elsewhere next hire.
CBB would have been a home run hire around the early 2000's.  I think he's just 10 years too late for his style.  Even Alabama doesn't Alabama anymore. 
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2017, 08:28:59 am »

Strong is a great recruiter but I think mediocre coach.  He brought the talent back to Louisville and recruited well at Texas.  But we've all seen but USF has done the first few games this year and it's not been impressive.  I would have no problem with him but he is not an X's and O's guy nor an offensive guy.  I think we go for someone younger also. 
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 08:40:37 am »

First off, I like Charlie a lot.  He's a good moral guy and a good coach.  However, you do realize that he inherited a top 25 team.  Plus, his wins are to San Jose St, Stony Brook, and a terrible Illinois team.  Not exactly world beaters there...
Moral? What about his philandering? People who are against interacial marriages, like Texas big wigs will find fault in him.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 01:01:00 pm »

Texas had lost it MOJO and they didn't give Charlie time to get it back.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2017, 03:15:38 pm »

Strong is a good man, good HC. But is he great? Jury is still out. Texas failure wasn't all his fault. Not saying he doesn't bear some responsibility. Strong had a hard time connecting with the HS coaches and recruits in the state. Some of that had to do with the fact Strong believes in a pro style offense philosophy, strong defense, power running game.

Texas High school football has been going more towards the spread, wide open type of offense. Strong would've been better off to have hired someone like Art Briles son as OC. Install that type offense and basically follow the TCU model which has proven successful. The guy Texas hired may do well there, but he doesn't have the experience and depth of wisdom I don't think to make texass as successful as they want to be. Could be another Kevin Sumlin type situation at texass.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2017, 03:37:32 pm »

Moral? What about his philandering? People who are against interacial marriages, like Texas big wigs will find fault in him.

Theres people who care about interracial marriages in 2017? Get a bloody grip. Losers.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2017, 09:45:33 pm »

Strong is a good man, good HC. But is he great? Jury is still out. Texas failure wasn't all his fault. Not saying he doesn't bear some responsibility. Strong had a hard time connecting with the HS coaches and recruits in the state. Some of that had to do with the fact Strong believes in a pro style offense philosophy, strong defense, power running game.

Texas High school football has been going more towards the spread, wide open type of offense. Strong would've been better off to have hired someone like Art Briles son as OC. Install that type offense and basically follow the TCU model which has proven successful. The guy Texas hired may do well there, but he doesn't have the experience and depth of wisdom I don't think to make texass as successful as they want to be. Could be another Kevin Sumlin type situation at texass.
He hired sterling Gilbert, from Tulsa I think, to be his OC his last year at Texas and took him to USF also.  Gilbert is a spread guy.
You are right about the Texas HS teams.  Most of them play the finesse football and they fit right into most of the Big 12 teams so it's an easy adjustment from HS to college.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2017, 11:47:13 pm »

We had good luck with another Louisville coach. I'd give him a try.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2017, 12:36:33 am »

Strong landed in the right place after the UT disaster. But he would never win big enough in Arkansas.
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Re: Charlie Strong 3-0 at USF
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2017, 12:36:09 pm »

Texas has built a culture of privilege with its players. Couple that with Texas high schools all being soft spread teams he never had a chance.
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