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Ancient equipment
« on: July 20, 2017, 12:18:55 pm »

How far on average do you think golf balls were hit back in the days of using gutta percha, or featherie type balls and using clubs with hickory shafts?
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2017, 03:13:04 pm »

They could hit gutties pretty far...200 yards and better for the better players.

I read about Young Tom Morris making a 3 on a 510 yard hole in one of the Opens he won.  So, the better players could get it on out there.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2017, 04:08:47 pm »

They could hit gutties pretty far...200 yards and better for the better players.

I read about Young Tom Morris making a 3 on a 510 yard hole in one of the Opens he won.  So, the better players could get it on out there.

3 on a 510 hole? Was the 3 with a putt or holing out from some unknown  distance in the fairway? Two swings that net you 400 yards total only leaves 110 to the hole and hitting three.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 09:38:03 pm »

Apparently feathery balls were hard enough to kill people if they got hit with them.  Like a lot of things from those days, I'm not sure we can recreate exactly what they had.  So, a lot of our thoughts are guesses.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 09:46:16 pm »

The fact that they had a par 5 that was 510 yards long shows they could hit the ball pretty far.   Well,  I'm assuming it was a par 5.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 10:05:53 pm »

The fact that they had a par 5 that was 510 yards long shows they could hit the ball pretty far.   Well,  I'm assuming it was a par 5.

It was generally thought to be a par 6 for most people.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 10:15:21 pm »

This says that the official record for a feathery was 361 yards.  A test in 1786 with feathery balls averaged just under 200 yards.

http://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/origin-of-golf-terms/golf-ball-feathery-gutty-haskell/
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2017, 09:01:17 am »

It was generally thought to be a par 6 for most people.

If Golf had par 6 holes I just might be able to break 80 all the time...................maybe.... ;)
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2017, 09:06:57 am »

This says that the official record for a feathery was 361 yards. A test in 1786 with feathery balls averaged just under 200 yards.

http://www.scottishgolfhistory.org/origin-of-golf-terms/golf-ball-feathery-gutty-haskell/

According to that article that 361 yard drive was wind aided.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2017, 10:33:14 am »

According to that article that 361 yard drive was wind aided.

Your point?  It is still a long way.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 11:45:56 am »

This stuff is really fascinating.  There was a time in the 1920s where the balls were going as far or farther than they are now.  That was well into the wound ball era and the machines for wrapping the Haskell wound ball had become quite sophisticated.  They were getting really tight wraps.  It was also before weight and diameter of the ball had been standardized by rule on either side of the pond.  So manufacturers were able to make heavier balls with smaller diameters and the big hitters were routinely hitting 350 and even 400 yards and just blowing away courses.  So, they standardized the ball at the current diameter and weight to dial back distance.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2017, 12:50:21 pm »

Your point?  It is still a long way.

Considering the average drive was 200 yards according to that article, the drive that was recorded at 361 yards and wind aided is somewhat suspect.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2017, 01:01:03 pm »

Considering the average drive was 200 yards according to that article, the drive that was recorded at 361 yards and wind aided is somewhat suspect.

Did anyone claim it was average or anything other than unusual? 
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2017, 03:44:09 pm »

This stuff is really fascinating.  There was a time in the 1920s where the balls were going as far or farther than they are now.  That was well into the wound ball era and the machines for wrapping the Haskell wound ball had become quite sophisticated.  They were getting really tight wraps.  It was also before weight and diameter of the ball had been standardized by rule on either side of the pond.  So manufacturers were able to make heavier balls with smaller diameters and the big hitters were routinely hitting 350 and even 400 yards and just blowing away courses.  So, they standardized the ball at the current diameter and weight to dial back distance.

and then the TopFlite Magna.   an oversized ball.   dumbest idea ever until the single length iron set.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2017, 03:44:47 pm »

Considering the average drive was 200 yards according to that article, the drive that was recorded at 361 yards and wind aided is somewhat suspect.

LDA dudes hit it 150 yards farther than PGA pros.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2017, 03:53:37 pm »

I need some of them tightly wound, prohibition era golf balls. 
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2017, 04:48:51 pm »

hawgon may have brought this up or it could've been an old crusty golf magazine in my dad's pooper ...either way....

they took an untouched dozen of the ball Nicklaus played in the 70s and hit them with an iron bryon.  most flew almost 15 yards off line. 

Ah!!!  old crusty golf mag.

http://golfweek.com/2009/11/25/looking-back-macgregors-golf-balls/   
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2017, 05:37:21 pm »

If Golf had par 6 holes I just might be able to break 80 all the time...................maybe.... ;)

I only remember playing one par 6 hole.  Pottsville has one on the back 9--670 yards, I think.   Hard dogleg right, and best I can recall, it is about 450 from the tee to the dogleg (woods on the right), and 220 on in.  I've never made less than 6 on it, but I've not played it more than a half-dozen times, and even playing at my best, I'm lucky to shoot bogey.

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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2017, 08:07:56 am »

hawgon may have brought this up or it could've been an old crusty golf magazine in my dad's pooper ...either way....

they took an untouched dozen of the ball Nicklaus played in the 70s and hit them with an iron bryon.  most flew almost 15 yards off line. 

Ah!!!  old crusty golf mag.

http://golfweek.com/2009/11/25/looking-back-macgregors-golf-balls/   
Excellent read. Makes you wonder if cheap balls these days will fly off line as well. I don’t play enough therefore wouldn’t be good enough to know the difference.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2017, 10:35:18 am »

3 on a 510 hole? Was the 3 with a putt or holing out from some unknown  distance in the fairway? Two swings that net you 400 yards total only leaves 110 to the hole and hitting three.
Sounds like you answered you're own question...
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2017, 10:50:25 am »

Excellent read. Makes you wonder if cheap balls these days will fly off line as well. I don’t play enough therefore wouldn’t be good enough to know the difference.

Probably not like that.  The MacGregor balls literally weren’t round.  They were shockingly bad considering that by then the wound ball was fifty or sixty year old technology.
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Re: Ancient equipment
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2017, 06:31:14 pm »

Ancient equipment.........aka members of the group called DPS...............(dead pecker society) There used to be a weekly mens golfing group that played at Rebsamen Park GC with that moniker back in the late 80's.
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