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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2017, 03:43:00 pm »

Would this whole thread not turn on the working definition of "taking over?"

More people attending games?
Higher ranked teams?
More D-1 recruits?
More intercollegiate recruits at all levels?
More dollars generated?

Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2017, 03:46:16 pm »

Well actually we have had baseball teams, at various levels, ranked pretty highly for about 2 decades or longer. Last years American Legion National Champions are from Arkansas. The Hogs baseball program has been more successful than either football or bball for the last 10 years at least.

Not at basketball rates, no.  We're a lot more successful in basketball, particularly AAU, than we are at youth baseball.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #152 on: June 13, 2017, 03:47:30 pm »

Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.

Out of those criteria, all these favor basketball over football, when compared apples to apples.

University team rankings
More D-1 recruits
More intercollegiate recruits at all levels
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #153 on: June 13, 2017, 04:00:07 pm »

Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.

The whole discussion is an exercise in futility.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #154 on: June 13, 2017, 07:20:26 pm »

Geez Louise.....Arkansas is a hunting/fishing state.

/thread.

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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #155 on: June 17, 2017, 06:50:54 am »

Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
Football is the main cash cow for any program that has football. Even Kentucky... ;). Does that mean Kentucky's a football school? That statement was an epic fail indeed. ;)
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #156 on: June 17, 2017, 08:02:05 am »

Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
Even when you try really hard to be right, you are still wrong.  Are there many schools out there where Football does not bring in the most money?  Are most schools football schools, even if football is actually a second thought to them, other than Duke?
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #157 on: June 17, 2017, 12:20:07 pm »

The whole discussion is an exercise in futility.

This would apply in almost every MMQB thread ever. If someone started a thread proposing that fat meat is greasy, before that thread got to one page someone out of left field will find a way to make a negative comment about Coach Bielema or he team.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #158 on: June 17, 2017, 12:25:56 pm »

According to the annual report:

https://issuu.com/christinezambetti/docs/2016-annual-report

I'm not arguing the point at the college level - this thread seemed to be directed at the high school sports level. 
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #159 on: June 17, 2017, 01:11:23 pm »

I'm not arguing the point at the college level - this thread seemed to be directed at the high school sports level. 
Agreed, that is the direction I was taking at first but it quickly shifted to college level.

We have a lot of D1 football type athletes playing nothing but basketball now.  You are about to see Razorback basketball explode.  But this is killing HS football.  Little Rock is the main issue.  Lack of facilities, coaching, and all the concussion injury stuff.  I think it's gonna really effect Razorback football.  I would have never said this five years ago but basketball seems to be on the rise big time with kids.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2017, 04:41:11 am »

Basketball has been a huge lost opportunity and a general disappointment since the Hogs joined the SEC. Came in with a bang then mediocrity for two decades. Nobody ever expected much on the football field but the lack of production on the basketball court is notable and really inexcusable.

I don't think the state demographics will ever be in our favor to be truly competitive on the football field, at least not anytime soon.  Basketball is a different story. there is still a lot of opportunity to do great things particularly in this conference.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #161 on: June 24, 2017, 04:52:43 am »

I don't anyone could have foreseen how much of an albatross the LRSD was going to become with respect to education in this state.  Contrary to Dwight's point, more money has been poured in that black hole than anywhere in the state and to what end?  Money will NOT solve the problem.

But to the point of the OP, I do agree wit the notion that given the state of things over the last two decades, it has been far easier for LRSD athletes to excel at basketball as opposed to football.   

People like me that are moving home stay well clear of Pulaski County. Not interested in any of my kids going to any school in that county.

There are a lot of people like me.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #162 on: June 25, 2017, 02:09:52 am »

The whole discussion is an exercise in futility.

Amen.

Frank built the athletic department to be strong in all three major sports.

I see an age disagreement here in that when guys my age, 50, hear that basketball is becoming more popular we scoff because that hasn't been true for the majority of our lives.

But when the fans who's first razorback memories are from the 90s hear this, it's a different story all together. The only period if sustained end of season rankings success they have seen in football would have been under Petrino and we are only talking 3 years at that.

When the 2 sports are compared from that point of reference things aren't as clear.
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Re: Basketball is taking over football in Arkansas.
« Reply #163 on: June 25, 2017, 08:31:45 am »

In years past, there was a significant Pulaski County/Little Rock flavor on a vast majority of championship caliber Razorback football teams. But the Little Rock School District is in disarray, and football has become a joke in what was once a bastion of high school football, especially at Central High. The best high school football is now played in NW Arkansas, and in southern Arkansas in smaller towns. NLR is doing a pretty good job too. Central High has been a non-factor for 12 years now, and none of the other LRSD teams ever really put a value on football for an extended period of time. Parkview was really good in the early-to-mid 1980's, but other than that, it was always Central High football. It's all basketball now in Pulaski County, mostly because it's much cheaper to supply 12 to 20 kids per basketball team, than 70-100 football players. I blame the LR School Board, the superintendents, and the teachers.....but mostly the school board.
Razorback football is going to have to begin mining other football-rich areas, like NW Arkansas, Tulsa, Kansas City, Memphis, Shreveport, Monroe, and hit the Dallas region extra hard.
The Hoop Hogs aren't going to need to go very far in the near future to find some great players to elevate the program, but I would look for Anderson to start recruiting Memphis a lot harder.
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I apologize if someone already said this. I'm not reading through every response to see. The desegregation case killed athletic budgets in LR. The money for buses and drivers and fuel, not to mention the payments to lawyers, had to come from somewhere. The first victim was athletic budgets. The facilities in LR schools are very deteriorated. In addition, with the kids being bused out of their neighborhood and into schools across town, you lost the local school community support and atmosphere. I think there is also a correlation with the crime/gang increase through the 80's and 90's. Many kids that got caught up in the wrong things, might have picked a different path with better athletic opportunities. There were also changes in school policy that hindered athletic participation, as well. The school board can make changes to help this situation, but I think what is really needed is a unified and purposed effort on the part of local community and business/financial leaders. I think rejuvenated athletic programs across central Arkansas would not only be of benefit to the Razorback programs, but also to the children that it was supposed to be about in the first place.

Just my opinion....of course
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