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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2017, 07:13:05 pm »

I think today is the biggest one-day increase I've ever had on a stock.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2017, 07:13:57 pm »

I think today is the biggest one-day increase I've ever had on a stock.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #52 on: June 23, 2017, 09:42:06 am »

COOL is up $3 today. This stock has paid for my Hogville membership.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2017, 04:06:22 pm »

COOL is up $3 today. This stock has paid for my Hogville membership.
Glad you got enough money to pay for HV. After all, that's THE most important thing in life ;) ;D :)!.

 Today's stock action most certainly validates yesterday's move with another HUGE volume day exceeding Thursday's. Some 513K shares changed hands with the stock only closing up $3.87 (another 16%) at $27.92 after trading as high as $29.36 earlier. I've been trying to reach out to my sources who can likely shed some light on exactly where all the buying is coming from. With this kind of volume ALL on the upside it hints of either huge hedge fund/ETF accumulation or a possible "play" being made on the company. Not sure whether either and/or both is happening; next week should perhaps tell us more. In the meantime I suppose one should just sit back and enjoy the ride, whatever the source of the "fuel" for journey upwards might be.

One other possibility that might, but I somewhat doubt, explain the frantic movement over the last day or so. As of  earlier this week there were some 310k shares, representing a little over 5.25% of the 5.877 million outstanding shares, sold "short"(i.e. the short interest). In case you're not familiar with that term: a short seller "borrows" stock (paying interest on the loan's value with borrowed monies aka known as margin) and bets that the stock-the borrowed shares-he sold at one price will decline in value. He can then hopefully buy back the borrowed stock at a lower price and repay the loan. It's merely the verse of "buying low, selling high". The problem is that IF the stock borrowed/sold DOESN'T decline then eventually there's likely to be a "short squeeze" wherein the borrower is forced to make a decision as to whether or not to maintain the "short" position. If he guesses wrong and the stock continues to climb it will obviously cost more and more money to give (buy) back the borrowed stock. Hence, the term "short squeeze". My "gut" tells me that the last couple of day's price move likely doesn't have to do with a "short squeeze" play. However, the short interest-the reported number of borrowed shares-won't be known for several more days. Only then will that possibility be more fully known.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2017, 11:58:57 am »

I got out of COOL at $27.95. Thinking about a reentry spot now that the stock has retreated.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2017, 08:34:49 pm »

Bvtk has been good to me so far...
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2017, 01:08:47 pm »

I got out of COOL at $27.95. Thinking about a reentry spot now that the stock has retreated.
Still out and stock is around $20.50. As usual, I'm sure I won't pick the bottom.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2017, 02:08:07 pm »

Still out and stock is around $20.50. As usual, I'm sure I won't pick the bottom.
99.999999% of the time one never does; same with the stock's market top. Remember that the market doesn't ring some magical bell to say "if you're going to buy you better get in now". Obviously the same with a potential top in a stock's price. Always somewhere in between.....the nature of the beast.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2017, 02:46:44 pm »

Remember that the market doesn't ring some magical bell to say "if you're going to buy you better get in now".

HiM did that with CHK a few years back with his "The ship is leaving you better get on board." post.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2017, 03:04:13 pm »

HiM did that with CHK a few years back with his "The ship is leaving you better get on board." post.
Yeah, well HiM ain't the market.....obviously.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2017, 03:33:00 pm »

I put a little into abhi at opening this morning.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2017, 07:49:59 am »

After hours 8k could move BTGI north today...
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2017, 06:16:59 pm »

What are Tom Cellucci and Chuck Brooks doing leading a subpenny stock company?
How far will they take BVTK... Or are they just scamming people?
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2017, 04:01:55 am »

What are Tom Cellucci and Chuck Brooks doing leading a subpenny stock company?
How far will they take BVTK... Or are they just scamming people?

I loaded millions of shares of BVTK back in Nov 2016 based purely on their leadership and the price per share. Still holding millions of shares that over 5000% gain.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2017, 04:05:49 am »

I put a little into abhi at opening this morning.

Made 7k in Abhi last week and 1.5k yesterday. Looking to load again Monday.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2017, 04:15:29 am »

If I'm gambling with play money and don't care if I lose it all then I'm going over to the OTC market. I'd put half into BVTK and the other half into BTGI and role the dice.

Was holding millions of shares of BTGI here at average entry of .0025 but am out with profits. Did have 20 lots from .0016 to .003...
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2017, 06:44:49 am »

I bawt 59 million shares in a company at .0001 this week. Was surprised that I was able to sell 6 mil shares at .0002 yesterday while a billion shares were stacked on the ask.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #67 on: October 04, 2017, 10:36:49 am »

Even thought most of the defense stocks are at all time highs, I'd put half of that $20K into a couple of them. Defense spending is about to rise. And looks very possible we are about to have a major conflict in one of two spots around the world. Defense companies, like the gov't, are always going to do well over the long haul.

I'd put the other half into energy related stocks, whether it be a few individual equities or a couple of energy ETFs. The oil and nat gas field service companies will look very cheap when oil begins to go up in price: NOV, SLB, BHI, HAL. Of course, anyone can argue that currently they are at premium valuations. But I would be buying for the future valuations, not for current obviously.
In the 5 months since this comment, defense stocks have done well. Energy related stocks, not so much. Haven't declined though.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #68 on: October 04, 2017, 12:53:47 pm »

In the 5 months since this comment, defense stocks have done well. Energy related stocks, not so much. Haven't declined though.
IMHO if someone truly has some patience (beyond the next five minutes or even month or so) I would begin selectively buying some of the better quality energy stocks. Are they likely to make you lots of money between now and the end of the year-not likely. However, if an investor truly has some time to wait AND has a little risk tolerance then I believe that some of them can begin to be accumulated with a twelve month (or less) time horizon involved. Several years for my thoughts.
 
 First, the price of oil has finally settled down around $50.00 a barrel. While this is obviously still well off the highs of several years ago, the price has shown very good support around this area. Remember for a commodity (like a stock) to go up, it must first wring out all the would be sellers. While there is still some manipulation going on, especially in the futures market with short sellers, the FUNDAMENTALS appear to have improved.

 Secondly, most would be marginal producers have either been driven out of business or have severely curtailed production. This in turn has most definitely helped the supple/demand imbalance that occurred during the huge run in energy prices several years ago. BTW anyone who thinks the demand for energy will decline/remain the same over the next 24-36 months (barring a major world-wide recession) had better get their heads out their collective rear ends. While alternative energy sources such as electric and solar are increasing, they will NOT totally replace/meet the rise in global energy demand and consumption over the next several years. Oil prices WILL RISE as a result.

 Third, while many gurus and investors worry about the market being "over valued", debatable for certain, at the same time most of the same don't want to take advantage of the sell off in energy stocks suffered over the past several years. While doubtless there have been solid reasons for the weaknesses, at the same time many don't recognize the necessary correction/consolidation in this area have healed much of the overcapacity and valuations that caused much of the recent "blood bath" to begin with. Yep, always amuses, but not necessarily surprises, me that the old market adage of "buy low and sell high" is rarely truly followed by so many investors. They'll complain about having to pay up for company's whose stock has (often) increased substantially, while totally ignoring sectors and company's who's fundamentals may actually justify some very serious consideration. Then again, the human "herd instinct" never ceases to prevail throughout the financial markets. At the same time many don't really have a true longer term time frame to begin with. Most seem to just settle for the "quick buck" as the primary method of constantly moving around their monies; at the same time so many of these same "investors" are complaining they don't to take risk with their monies. One question: what the hell do you think trying to "time the markets" is: a "free lunch"? ??? ::) :-X
 
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #69 on: October 05, 2017, 08:08:15 am »

However, if an investor truly has some time to wait AND has a little risk tolerance then I believe that some of them can begin to be accumulated with a twelve month (or less) time horizon involved. Several years for my thoughts.

If you don't have a long term horizon and a high tolerance for risk, you should never own a single share of equity issued by a public company. That person could own stock in a private company so that their equity is not priced every second for 6 1/2 hours, 5 days a week.

80% of "investors" believe volatility is risk. It's not. Risk = permanent loss of capital and volatility is not permanent loss of capital. So many want all of the upside and none of the downside. If you are such a person, never own equities.

I don't know when energy price will move up. But I am very sure it is a matter of when, not if. And when it does, my clients are set to reap the rewards of owning energy-related equities. I did not have a client whose account was up less than 20% in 2016 when S&P 500 was up 9.5% (not including reinvested dividends) mostly thanks to performance of energy-related positions.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #70 on: October 05, 2017, 10:46:31 am »

If you don't have a long term horizon and a high tolerance for risk, you should never own a single share of equity issued by a public company. That person could own stock in a private company so that their equity is not priced every second for 6 1/2 hours, 5 days a week.

80% of "investors" believe volatility is risk. It's not. Risk = permanent loss of capital and volatility is not permanent loss of capital. So many want all of the upside and none of the downside. If you are such a person, never own equities.

I don't know when energy price will move up. But I am very sure it is a matter of when, not if. And when it does, my clients are set to reap the rewards of owning energy-related equities. I did not have a client whose account was up less than 20% in 2016 when S&P 500 was up 9.5% (not including reinvested dividends) mostly thanks to performance of energy-related positions.
Much of what you say is true. However, I do take some exception with your comment/observation concerning a person owning stock in a private versus a public company. While it's certainly true that the former isn't priced on a regular basis, merely owning the latter obviously doesn't guarantee the lack of risk to capital. The fact that a private company's stock ISN'T priced on a regular basis means it's ILLIQUIDITY could most definitely present a problem depending on the TIMING of one's cash needs. The very fact that there is no active secondary market means the true valuation of the holding is far more difficult to establish AND the ability to convert the monies to cash based on the client's need is likely more difficult to achieve.

Ultimately, as in life, there are are no guarantees in the equity market. That's why I've always taken the approach, whether be with my personal monies or those of a client's, that one should NEVER, EVER risk any dollars that one can't absolutely afford to lose under the worst of circumstances. No matter how attractive the potential investment appears to be one has to ALWAYS be prepared for absolute armageddon. Do that and the ability to sleep soundly at night goes up exponentially.

 
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #71 on: October 05, 2017, 03:04:12 pm »

Much of what you say is true. However, I do take some exception with your comment/observation concerning a person owning stock in a private versus a public company. While it's certainly true that the former isn't priced on a regular basis, merely owning the latter obviously doesn't guarantee the lack of risk to capital. The fact that a private company's stock ISN'T priced on a regular basis means it's ILLIQUIDITY could most definitely present a problem depending on the TIMING of one's cash needs. The very fact that there is no active secondary market means the true valuation of the holding is far more difficult to establish AND the ability to convert the monies to cash based on the client's need is likely more difficult to achieve.

Ultimately, as in life, there are are no guarantees in the equity market. That's why I've always taken the approach, whether be with my personal monies or those of a client's, that one should NEVER, EVER risk any dollars that one can't absolutely afford to lose under the worst of circumstances. No matter how attractive the potential investment appears to be one has to ALWAYS be prepared for absolute armageddon. Do that and the ability to sleep soundly at night goes up exponentially.
You must be a serious young man. You read a lot more into what I wrote than I meant.
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« Reply #72 on: October 05, 2017, 04:02:04 pm »

You must be a serious young man. You read a lot more into what I wrote than I meant.
Damn right I'm serious.....with both MY monies along with my clients. I seriously doubt most would have it any other way; let's face it: I can't imagine ANYONE wanting a financial advisor "playing" or "screwing around" with money. Oh yeah, one other thing: since you say I'm "reading more into what I (you) wrote than I (you) meant" please enlighten me. You see I try to carefully read and analyze everything one says prior to responding. So please explain in more detail exactly what I'm somehow misreading/misinterpreting.
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« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2017, 11:02:27 pm »

Damn right I'm serious.....with both MY monies along with my clients. I seriously doubt most would have it any other way; let's face it: I can't imagine ANYONE wanting a financial advisor "playing" or "screwing around" with money. Oh yeah, one other thing: since you say I'm "reading more into what I (you) wrote than I (you) meant" please enlighten me. You see I try to carefully read and analyze everything one says prior to responding. So please explain in more detail exactly what I'm somehow misreading/misinterpreting.
Relax.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2017, 08:53:57 am »

Relax.
Duh......I'm plenty relaxed. Amazing that "relax" seems to be one of your absolute favorite words. I do suggest that you try to expand your vocabulary. BTW just seem to have a far more sober/responsible outlook then your cutsie remark(s) would indicate. Sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes doesn't it ??? ::) :-X
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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2017, 10:12:21 am »

Duh......I'm plenty relaxed. Amazing that "relax" seems to be one of your absolute favorite words. I do suggest that you try to expand your vocabulary. BTW just seem to have a far more sober/responsible outlook then your cutsie remark(s) would indicate. Sorry, but the truth hurts sometimes doesn't it ??? ::) :-X
Why are you bothering me? All this typing for nothing. Very verbose. Please relax.
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Re: If you had $20k to play with...
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2017, 10:22:55 am »

Why are you bothering me? All this typing for nothing. Very verbose. Please relax.
Ahh....verbose. Nice, you actually added a second word to your giant vocabulary collection. And who the hell is actually bothering who here ??? :o ::) :-X BTW if you don't care for my responses then I have a simple solution: just don't bother replying. Takes two sides after all and it IS a very simple answer to your angst.
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« Reply #77 on: October 07, 2017, 09:57:25 pm »

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