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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2014, 07:30:48 pm »

If melo would play like he does on the Olympic team, love to have him. He just does not want to play that way.

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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2014, 07:32:36 pm »

I sincerely hope you're right. I'd love to see him as a lottery pick.

With that said, I can't find a single draft ranking listing him that high.

A number of places have had him in the lottery at various times this year;  the highest I've seen, or seen anyone post about him, was at the #6 slot,  I think the week before SMU.

Just one example:

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/one-and-one/2014/06/04/montrezl-harell-willie-cauley-stein-best-2015-nba-draft-prospects

The best time for a good website based fix, is when they've completed all the player evals.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2014, 07:33:36 pm »

If melo would play like he does on the Olympic team, love to have him. He just does not want to play that way.



I would think playing for the Knicks would crush any man's spirit.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2014, 07:35:10 pm »

A number of places have had him in the lottery at various times this year;  the highest I've seen, or seen anyone post about him, was at the #6 slot,  I think the week before SMU.

Just one example:

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/one-and-one/2014/06/04/montrezl-harell-willie-cauley-stein-best-2015-nba-draft-prospects

The best time for a good website based fix, is when they've completed all the player evals.

That's an article from June, and it was linked by Otis. Even if accurate, the association with that gravel chewer invalidates it.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2014, 07:37:36 pm »

That's an article from June, and it was linked by Otis. Even if accurate, the association with that gravel chewer invalidates it.

It really doesn't.  The original source is SI-- and, again,  it isn't like it is the only source.

The timing also serves to make it more credible, rather than less--   mid season evaluations fluctuate very wildly.   Portis on NBADraft.net is a good one--  he's gone from a peak of 8 there, IIRC, to 33 in next year's draft, all without t hem actually finishing their detailed scoring on him.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2014, 07:38:12 pm »

I would think playing for the Knicks would crush any man's spirit.

He chose to take the money & stay this past summer
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2014, 07:40:44 pm »

He chose to take the money & stay this past summer

I'm not sure I saw a better option for him; he could try to chase a ring, at a huge discount, or just live with his current situation and pick up an extra 25 million, and hope that the best coach in the last 40 years might fix the mess all around him.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2014, 07:42:56 pm »

It really doesn't.  The original source is SI-- and, again,  it isn't like it is the only source.

The timing also serves to make it more credible, rather than less--   mid season evaluations fluctuate very wildly.   Portis on NBADraft.net is a good one--  he's gone from a peak of 8 there, IIRC, to 33 in next year's draft, all without t hem actually finishing their detailed scoring on him.

Ok, I'll leave it alone. I hope you're right.

If he's a lotto pick, by all means be should go. If he's not, I believe another year would put him there.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2014, 08:27:57 pm »

I'm not sure I saw a better option for him; he could try to chase a ring, at a huge discount, or just live with his current situation and pick up an extra 25 million, and hope that the best coach in the last 40 years might fix the mess all around him.

Chicago is not a better option?  How much money is enough?
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2014, 08:32:10 pm »

Chicago is not a better option?  How much money is enough?

The extra year matters- and Chicago probably isn't as good with Melo, as they are without him;  they likely end up dealing Mitric's rights,  and/or not signing Pau--  so, it'd be Melo and Rose's rickety knees.

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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2014, 08:35:10 pm »

Qualls is completely off of nbadraft.net's list this week.  Was a second rounder in 2016 last week. 

On draftexpress.com, Portis has dropped to #21 in 2015 draft.  Kingsley #37 in 2016, Qualls #38 in 2016.

Watch a few NBA games and you will see why they are dropping.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2014, 09:21:51 pm »

Portis is not leaving after this season.  His game is nowhere close to NBA ready.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2014, 09:39:10 pm »

Portis isn't a lottery pick right now because they don't project much with those guys these days and Portis wouldn't be a guarantee.  I am coming around to the idea of him as a late first rounder though.  Guys like him just don't grow on trees.  He's still just a bit green but he'll make plenty of money after this year if he chooses.  I'm selfish though and I hope we get to watch him reach his potential here. 
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2014, 09:40:20 am »

Just like the myth that you have to go to a certain school to be a high draft pick, it's a myth that you have to be 20 or under to be a high draft pick.  It's strictly situational, and like everything else there's always guys that break the "norm".  If I'm Bobby, I'm not thinking about my age or year classification, if I feel I'm ready for the next level and happy where I'm projected then I go, If not I stay in school, work hard, and come out when I'm ready.

You don't have to be 20 or under or go to a certain school, but the statistics certainly support that those are two attributes of most high draft picks. Most lotto picks are 19 or 20 and from a major program. That doesn't stop one that isn't either of those things from being a lottery pick, but the numbers do not favor them.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2014, 03:17:08 pm »

You don't have to be 20 or under or go to a certain school, but the statistics certainly support that those are two attributes of most high draft picks. Most lotto picks are 19 or 20 and from a major program. That doesn't stop one that isn't either of those things from being a lottery pick, but the numbers do not favor them.

If your whole decision is off the "numbers" then the numbers don't favor anyone having a long NBA career, the average length of an NBA career is 4.8 years.  So, if your leaving to go into the NBA early you better make sure your ready because the numbers don't support you lasting long. 

I'm a firm believer of don't ever be pressured into doing anything in life.  If you a college B-Ball player, and you get your evaluation and your happy with your projection and you feel like your ready to be an NBA player, be all means go for it.  But, going just because your 19 or 20 and "numbers" show more of those ages are drafted early shouldn't be your reason to go.  How many of these guys do you see every year that aren't ready, and by the end of their rookie contract you never hear from them again or they end up overseas?  Had they stayed another year or 2, you never know, maybe they are drafted later in the draft but able to stay in the NBA longer because they were more prepared.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2014, 04:59:51 pm »

Portis defense needs to improve. He continues to struggle on that end and it has less to do with physical ability and everything to do with knowledge of the game.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2014, 05:25:08 pm »

If your whole decision is off the "numbers" then the numbers don't favor anyone having a long NBA career, the average length of an NBA career is 4.8 years.  So, if your leaving to go into the NBA early you better make sure your ready because the numbers don't support you lasting long. 

I'm a firm believer of don't ever be pressured into doing anything in life.  If you a college B-Ball player, and you get your evaluation and your happy with your projection and you feel like your ready to be an NBA player, be all means go for it.  But, going just because your 19 or 20 and "numbers" show more of those ages are drafted early shouldn't be your reason to go.  How many of these guys do you see every year that aren't ready, and by the end of their rookie contract you never hear from them again or they end up overseas?  Had they stayed another year or 2, you never know, maybe they are drafted later in the draft but able to stay in the NBA longer because they were more prepared.

I am, in no way, saying that a player should go pro simply because they're 20 years or younger. Just stating that the numbers support that most lottery picks are. NBA front offices love upside, so the younger, the better. Just the way it's been in the NBA for the last 15 years. Looks like Adam Silver is trying to change that.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2014, 06:30:44 pm »

This is a preseason scouting video on Bobby. This same guy does a pre-draft video as well. He was on target when BJ declared for the draft.

Bobby has made improvements in the areas noted as weakness.
http://www.draftexpress.com/video/11585/
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« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2014, 06:53:26 pm »

I am, in no way, saying that a player should go pro simply because they're 20 years or younger. Just stating that the numbers support that most lottery picks are. NBA front offices love upside, so the younger, the better. Just the way it's been in the NBA for the last 15 years. Looks like Adam Silver is trying to change that.

Ah ok.  And yea, Silver is trying to do something about it, got a lot of teams wasting using picks on "upside" and ending up not getting much out of them.  I'm of the belief of let them go whenever they feel they are ready.  Although, for selfish reasons being a college B-Ball fan, I'd like to see the NFL rule of 3 years be applied.  The quality of college basketball would increased dramatically.  Just look at teams like Kentucky now with juniors like WCS and Poythress.  Image teams like Kansas, Duke, Michigan, etc all led by juniors, that would be some outstanding basketball.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2014, 08:50:59 pm »

The NBA should use college as a free farm system. Make the kids play for 2 or 3 years and get a better idea of what they REALLY are as players and as people. Then, you draft a more known commodity. instead, they get in a big hurry and get drawn into the hype and end up with a multi-million dollar case of buyer's remorse.

Another by-product would be much better college basketball!
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2014, 04:58:19 pm »

Spurs are a great fit;  Miami also would be good.  I'm interested in seeing if he'd be a good fit for a Triangle system in NY--  I just don't see it, but I hear people argue it.   

Teams I'd hate to see him play for:  Milwaukee,  OKC,  Memphis, LAL, LAC, and the Mavs.

Im a Memphis Grizzlies season ticket holder and Im curious why you would "hate" for Bobby to play for the Grizzlies.  He is 6-10.  He can shoot the college 3.  I hope he can learn to shoot the pro 3 as he could be a stretch 4 and provide a defense matchup problems as he would pull the opponent's 4 away from the glass.

If he could keep developing his shot, he might be able to be a Ryan Anderson (New Orleans Pelicans) type player who is deadly from 3 pt range. 

If Bobby wants to play down low, then he needs to bulk up.  Somebody like Lamarcus Aldridge is the same height as Bobby and would make Bobby look small because Lamarcus is so much stronger and more mature.  That by the way is another player Bobby could emulate.  That 18-19 foot jumper from the elbow is deadly for Aldridge.  Portis could do that as well. 

As a Grizzlies fan, I would love to see Bobby in a Memphis uniform.  As far as next year goes though, I want to see Bobby in an Arkansas uniform, but I certainly understand if he can be drafted anywhere in the 1st round, its hard to tell a kid not to take it.  2nd round is a different story. 
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2014, 06:33:03 pm »

Hope Portis stays one more year!
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« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2014, 07:57:23 pm »

As a Grizzlies fan, I would love to see Bobby in a Memphis uniform.

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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2014, 09:03:14 pm »

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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2014, 11:03:29 pm »

I'd never, ever want to build a franchise around him, but I'd be scared to death to get rid of him, if I had the option of keeping him.

Melo is this generations Herschel Walker.  Plenty of potential, much of his youth squandered on marginal teams, and starting to pass his prime.  He could still be an all-time great, but probably not.  Should the opportunity be there, trade him and get the picks to build your future.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #75 on: December 25, 2014, 01:03:57 am »

If your whole decision is off the "numbers" then the numbers don't favor anyone having a long NBA career, the average length of an NBA career is 4.8 years.  So, if your leaving to go into the NBA early you better make sure your ready because the numbers don't support you lasting long. 
I'm typically with you on most of your post, but here I would like to see the average length of career for people that go pro after 1-2 versus 3-4 years. To me throwing both groups together with the 4.8 year average has no correlation.
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Re: Portis Draft Stock
« Reply #76 on: December 25, 2014, 07:55:57 am »

The top 10 scorers average 33.59 minutes per game. Portis (27.2) would be 15th in the nation with those minutes. I know that's a lot of minutes in this system and he would be worn down but I would expect a few garbage baskets to off set it.                   
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