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Best Interview I've heard in a while
« on: December 10, 2014, 09:20:54 pm »

Nolan talking about our struggles so far, guard play, and Bobby Portis. 

http://www.sportstalkwithbo.com/site/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/limit,4/limitstart,4/
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 09:27:37 pm »

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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 09:56:58 pm »

brings back many memories.

the thing about nolan; you gotta know how to filter what he says.  he gets uncontrollably defensive when discussing his style and how he does/did things.

and i'm a huge nolan fan.

he always hated to concede that his teams could tighten up into an "organized or traditional" offensive set.  he took it as a personal slight; as though his honor was being questioned.

but the thing about nolan; he made those players go out there and prove that he's right about everything he says.  prove it by whipping ass and winning games.

that's what makes him a winner.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 11:01:53 pm »

One thing that really caught my attention was him talking about Bobby Portis.  He really likes him as a player, but said he's gotta get mean and demand the ball.

I'm not sure what's going on, as far as why Bobby doesn't get more touches.  One thing I noticed is after half-time or a timeout, there's usually heavy focus on getting him the ball, then we always just get away from it as time goes by.  What I'm getting from that is the CMA is telling them to look for Bobby during timeouts, then guys just get comfortable once we get up a few baskets and just start doing their own thing.  It's two things IMO that need to happen in this situation 1. If your one of the guards in the game and your not getting him the ball, your coming to take a seat.  2.  As Nolan said, Bobby needs to get mad, and as they run down the court or during a pause tell them to give him the ball.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2014, 11:11:45 pm »

Cory Beck made sure Corliss got the ball.  Nobody on this team makes sure Bobby gets the ball.

The team still lacks mature backcourt play.   It will continue to cost us unless oneof these two players has an epiphany and starts demading the offense go through Bobby 90% of the time:  Madden.  Qualls.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2014, 11:13:53 pm »

Completely agree blu.  We started off shooting like 6 three on Clemson.' We at least need bobby for the inside out game.  He needs to hold his ground down there too.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2014, 11:18:46 pm »

Nolan ain't walkin thru that door.....
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2014, 11:21:29 pm »

One thing that really caught my attention was him talking about Bobby Portis.  He really likes him as a player, but said he's gotta get mean and demand the ball.

I'm not sure what's going on, as far as why Bobby doesn't get more touches.  One thing I noticed is after half-time or a timeout, there's usually heavy focus on getting him the ball, then we always just get away from it as time goes by.  What I'm getting from that is the CMA is telling them to look for Bobby during timeouts, then guys just get comfortable once we get up a few baskets and just start doing their own thing.  It's two things IMO that need to happen in this situation 1. If your one of the guards in the game and your not getting him the ball, your coming to take a seat.  2.  As Nolan said, Bobby needs to get mad, and as they run down the court or during a pause tell them to give him the ball.

Blu I think this is a key pt as far as having to tell players repeatedly to do what should be natural to them with good bb IQ. What should set a good pt apart is they are making sure the ball gets where it needs to go. There's an instinct to know that. Mayberry knew to get the ball to Miller or Day. Beck knew to feed Williamson down low. I don't think that was something Nolan had to beat into their heads. But its a two way street, the bigs have to want it low and call for it.

I was talking w a guy who coaches AAU at a pretty high level in Georgia and he said the difference with players today is you have to tell them every move to make. There's not enough instinctive ability or court awareness. I think he's right.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 08:50:20 am »

Cory Beck made sure Corliss got the ball.  Nobody on this team makes sure Bobby gets the ball.

The team still lacks mature backcourt play.   It will continue to cost us unless oneof these two players has an epiphany and starts demading the offense go through Bobby 90% of the time:  Madden.  Qualls.
This post is right on- no Cory Beck ?  Remember how those teams would lock their arms around each other in timeouts or breaks.  This team looks lost during the same times.
  Michael Qualls has some "want to"  at times... and you don't see that in the other players.  Beck was a stabilizer. Players on this team just wants to shoot and overplay on defense a little too much.
   Thing about guys that go hard is they use lot energy and know when to get out and catch a breath. if this don't happen they look lazy and can't defend.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2014, 08:54:04 am »

Cory Beck made sure Corliss got the ball.  Nobody on this team makes sure Bobby gets the ball.

exactly.

call beck a point guard or pizza delivery. it doesn't matter.

we need it.  appoint one guy as delivery specialist, and go from there.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2014, 12:15:22 pm »

The most interesting part of Nolan's discussion was talking about how he coached defense vs. MA + how the coach has to decide how the team should play. If he decides right, then the players naturally follow.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2014, 12:22:55 pm »

I was talking w a guy who coaches AAU at a pretty high level in Georgia and he said the difference with players today is you have to tell them every move to make. There's not enough instinctive ability or court awareness. I think he's right.

I think he's on to something with that.  That's why I really hope Jabril Durham starts to get into a groove, he's really the only guy on the roster right now that seems to have that "instinctive ability". His court vision and ball handling is great, and he always know how to get guys easy buckets, he's just been very bad on the defensive end, picking up a lot of silly fouls, and sometimes he's tries to get a little too flashy with his passes.  Once he gets this fixed, I think your going to see a major difference in our team.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2014, 12:34:30 pm »

Blu I think this is a key pt as far as having to tell players repeatedly to do what should be natural to them with good bb IQ. What should set a good pt apart is they are making sure the ball gets where it needs to go. There's an instinct to know that. Mayberry knew to get the ball to Miller or Day. Beck knew to feed Williamson down low. I don't think that was something Nolan had to beat into their heads. But its a two way street, the bigs have to want it low and call for it.

I was talking w a guy who coaches AAU at a pretty high level in Georgia and he said the difference with players today is you have to tell them every move to make. There's not enough instinctive ability or court awareness. I think he's right.

This instinct difference shows more on the defense IMO for our program right now when we are attempting to compare it back to our past era.  Nolan's extended defenses even in the halfcourt were partly effective in that opposing teams didn't know where the pressure was coming from as our players were allowed to go with instincts on when to trap.   
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2014, 12:45:13 pm »

Cory Beck made sure Corliss got the ball.  Nobody on this team makes sure Bobby gets the ball.

The team still lacks mature backcourt play.   It will continue to cost us unless oneof these two players has an epiphany and starts demading the offense go through Bobby 90% of the time:  Madden.  Qualls.
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Corliss and Bobby are different players.. Corliss was down in the blocks and could score inside.. Bobby faces the basket and shoots jumpers.. harder to consistently get the guy the ball and he score, when your out by the 3 point line.  If we had a Corliss on this team and he was camped in the blocks and showed he could score, we'd get him the ball.. we don't.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2014, 01:13:26 pm »

brings back many memories.

the thing about nolan; you gotta know how to filter what he says.  he gets uncontrollably defensive when discussing his style and how he does/did things.

and i'm a huge nolan fan.

he always hated to concede that his teams could tighten up into an "organized or traditional" offensive set.  he took it as a personal slight; as though his honor was being questioned.

but the thing about nolan; he made those players go out there and prove that he's right about everything he says.  prove it by whipping ass and winning games.

that's what makes him a winner.


Ballz, great post..... What Nolan said is that his traps are different than MA......He said he had constant pressure. Sutton teams had constant pressure. That's a nice way of saying that MA's teams are not playing defense as tough as his. Nolan is my favorite coach of all time. His defenders were in the pockets of his opponents. Pitino's players played pressure defense as well. I don't think it's being coached to any large degree. To me... you want to ruin the other guy's day and not let him run his game plan. I am not sure that it is as easy to get players who want to play that hard defense...... but I put it on the coaches for not doing it. It takes a lot of effort.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2014, 01:17:10 pm »

Ballz, great post..... What Nolan said is that his traps are different than MA......He said he had constant pressure. Sutton teams had constant pressure. That's a nice way of saying that MA's teams are not playing defense as tough as his. Nolan is my favorite coach of all time. His defenders were in the pockets of his opponents. Pitino's players played pressure defense as well. I don't think it's being coached to any large degree. To me... you want to ruin the other guy's day and not let him run his game plan. I am not sure that it is as easy to get players who want to play that hard defense...... but I put it on the coaches for not doing it. It takes a lot of effort.

that's why watkins is playing so much, imo.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2014, 01:33:23 pm »

Nolan talking about our struggles so far, guard play, and Bobby Portis. 

http://www.sportstalkwithbo.com/site/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/limit,4/limitstart,4/

Thanks for this.  I Miss Nolan!
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2014, 01:35:27 pm »


but the thing about nolan; he made those players go out there and prove that he's right about everything he says.  prove it by whipping ass and winning games.

that's what makes him a winner.


Exactly.  It was in his nature to coach that way.  Sigh...
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2014, 02:50:51 pm »

I think he's on to something with that.  That's why I really hope Jabril Durham starts to get into a groove, he's really the only guy on the roster right now that seems to have that "instinctive ability". His court vision and ball handling is great, and he always know how to get guys easy buckets, he's just been very bad on the defensive end, picking up a lot of silly fouls, and sometimes he's tries to get a little too flashy with his passes.  Once he gets this fixed, I think your going to see a major difference in our team.

Babb is interesting to me.... He doesn't turn the ball over.....

I think players are instinctive and more athletic.... The trick is you have to coach them.... You tell them your plan ,and if they don't follow orders they ride the pine. Is the tail gonna wag the dog or the dog wag the tail? If I am a coach and my job is on the line, we are going to win or lose by my plan.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2014, 02:54:22 pm »

Cory Beck made sure Corliss got the ball.  Nobody on this team makes sure Bobby gets the ball.

The team still lacks mature backcourt play.   It will continue to cost us unless oneof these two players has an epiphany and starts demading the offense go through Bobby 90% of the time:  Madden.  Qualls.
Lots of people distributed the ball on that team and a couple of other things really helped as well.  Corliss worked the middled and demanded the ball and did not continuously float to the outside and we had enough accurate shooters to keep other teams honest.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2014, 02:56:08 pm »

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Corliss and Bobby are different players.. Corliss was down in the blocks and could score inside.. Bobby faces the basket and shoots jumpers.. harder to consistently get the guy the ball and he score, when your out by the 3 point line.  If we had a Corliss on this team and he was camped in the blocks and showed he could score, we'd get him the ball.. we don't.

Exactly right.... All the more reason why Kingsley and Portis need to be in the line up together...... Just like the announcers.... Musberger stated, " Kingsley is the inside guy ,and Portis is more of an outside guy."   This said when he was saying he would play them together.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 02:58:16 pm »

Not unlike Stoudamire and Marion when they were with the Suns
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2014, 03:38:42 pm »

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Corliss and Bobby are different players.. Corliss was down in the blocks and could score inside.. Bobby faces the basket and shoots jumpers.. harder to consistently get the guy the ball and he score, when your out by the 3 point line.  If we had a Corliss on this team and he was camped in the blocks and showed he could score, we'd get him the ball.. we don't.

I couldn't agree more.  Portis is not Big O or Corliss.  He doesn't get position down low for you to get him the ball.  He "posts up"  at the 3 point line, therefore he has to drive from there, which is seldom, passes back around, or shoots a jumper.  He needs to create a little space 5-10 feet closer to the basket, then if our guards don't feed him I believe it would be an issue with the guards.  I do think it would be nice for a guard to be able to penetrate and pass, but that isn't the main reason Portis isn't getting enough touches.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2014, 10:02:28 pm »

I don't think you can run the offense through Portis.  That doesn't create enough inside out movement and won't get our shooters open or create enough movement by the defense.  It's going to have to be someone down on the block like Harris or Kingsly or maybe even Thompson.
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2014, 10:10:03 pm »

I don't think you can run the offense through Portis.  That doesn't create enough inside out movement and won't get our shooters open or create enough movement by the defense.  It's going to have to be someone down on the block like Harris or Kingsly or maybe even Thompson.

just started a thompson thread.

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=583596.0
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2014, 08:15:05 am »

Can Portis look madden & qualls in the eye & say gist me the ball
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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2014, 01:25:51 pm »

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Corliss and Bobby are different players.. Corliss was down in the blocks and could score inside.. Bobby faces the basket and shoots jumpers.. harder to consistently get the guy the ball and he score, when your out by the 3 point line.  If we had a Corliss on this team and he was camped in the blocks and showed he could score, we'd get him the ball.. we don't.

Where he gets the ball and what he does with it isn't the correct comparison.  The simple fact that the ball should always (or almost always) be touched by them on a given possession is the comparison.
Lots of people distributed the ball on that team and a couple of other things really helped as well.  Corliss worked the middled and demanded the ball and did not continuously float to the outside and we had enough accurate shooters to keep other teams honest.

I agree.  Lots of people did distribute the ball.  Thing is, when the team looked out of control one player more than the others demanded the ball and then reset the team usually by setting up Corliss.  That was Beck. 

Mayberry did the same thing, though sometimes he did it by taking over the game himself; other times by getting Day or Bowers more involved.

My general point is that there is no reliable player that can keep his cool in the crunch and set up our best players when our offense starts to get out sorts.  The guys on this team we might want to rely on in these cases are generally only going to make things worse.  They need to improve here, or else we will remain shaky at best against the better competition.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.
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Re: Best Interview I've heard in a while
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2014, 01:28:33 pm »

I don't think you can run the offense through Portis.  That doesn't create enough inside out movement and won't get our shooters open or create enough movement by the defense.  It's going to have to be someone down on the block like Harris or Kingsly or maybe even Thompson.

Watch a replay and pay close attention to what the opposing team does whenever Portis gets the ball.  Portis touching the ball is like spraying sleeping cats with water for the other team.  They all move, and often, that creates lots of space for someone.
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