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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2014, 09:12:05 am »

Number of teams in conference that already have lost games:

0 Big 12, Big East
2 ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12
3 A10, WCC, MWC
4 AAC, MVC
6 SEC

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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2014, 09:19:27 am »

I see a problem for sure, but my biggest problem is that we are putting so much emphasis on November basketball, which is notoriously sloppy.

They were saying the same thing about the SEC last year, but then when you look back at the NCAA tournament, you saw the SEC look like, possibly, the best conference.

Teams are getting unfairly pigeon-holed for how their conference is playing 3.5 months from Selection Sunday.

I think its a joke and ridiculous way to judge teams/conferences.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2014, 09:41:06 am »

Number of teams in conference that already have lost games:

0 Big 12, Big East
2 ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12
3 A10, WCC, MWC
4 AAC, MVC
6 SEC

See a problem?

SEC teams need to get more schools like Presbyterian on the schedule.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2014, 09:53:06 am »

SEC teams need to get more schools like Presbyterian on the schedule.

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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2014, 11:44:59 am »

It's another way of saying - if Arkansas can shoot well from outside, it's gonna have an advantage over most of the SEC. Half the league has no shooting. Several in the middle have very little.

It is a small sample size, but I have taken a bit of flack over saying that the SEC is going backwards, particularly in the middle of the league.

Look at our teams that are positioned to make a 'leap' forward-  TAMU, Auburn, and South Carolina-- but they're so not good, that even a good bit of progress won't make them much more than barely watchable.

Tennessee basketball is imploding, Anthony Grant's Alabama teams are lost at sea,  Missouri just had a coach skip town for that prestigious Tulsa gig,   Ole Miss lost their signature player and leader-- and even Florida is going to be hard pressed to repeat one of the more remarkable performances in conference play since we joined the SEC.

Regression is everywhere; if Kentucky falters even a little,  national respect for the league is going to implode even from its already low level.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2014, 11:49:56 am »

It is a small sample size, but I have taken a bit of flack over saying that the SEC is going backwards, particularly in the middle of the league.

Look at our teams that are positioned to make a 'leap' forward-  TAMU, Auburn, and South Carolina-- but they're so not good, that even a good bit of progress won't make them much more than barely watchable.

Tennessee basketball is imploding, Anthony Grant's Alabama teams are lost at sea,  Missouri just had a coach skip town for that prestigious Tulsa gig,   Ole Miss lost their signature player and leader-- and even Florida is going to be hard pressed to repeat one of the more remarkable performances in conference play since we joined the SEC.

Regression is everywhere; if Kentucky falters even a little,  national respect for the league is going to implode even from its already low level.


It's quite obvious indeed. Those saying otherwise probably didn't pay attention during the offseason. Nearly every team besides us and maybe Kentucky took unexpected hits and didn't gain much in return .
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2014, 11:53:26 am »

It's quite obvious indeed. Those saying otherwise probably didn't pay attention during the offseason. Nearly every team besides us and maybe Kentucky took unexpected hits and didn't gain much in return .

I think LSU will be pretty good as well.  They did lose Johnny O and Hickey but, they brought in Robinson and the #1 JUCO PG in Aaron gray, plus return 2 future NBA players, they should be improved.  But after that... I agree we're taking hits in the SEC.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2014, 11:54:22 am »

You mean teams like charleston southern , they play in same league as Presbyterian
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2014, 11:55:02 am »

I think LSU will be pretty good as well.  They did lose Johnny O and Hickey but, they brought in Robertson and the #1 JUCO PG in Aaron gray, plus return 2 future NBA players, they should be improved.  But after that... I agree we're taking hits in the SEC.

They're going to be treading water for a while, while they learn to play together.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2014, 12:23:46 pm »

It is a small sample size, but I have taken a bit of flack over saying that the SEC is going backwards, particularly in the middle of the league.

Regression is everywhere; if Kentucky falters even a little,  national respect for the league is going to implode even from its already low level.

I get that overall the SEC's performance makes the league look soft. But, if we take care of our non-conference business and win 12 or 13 conference games, we will be good for the tourney regardless of what the others do.

I don't like any of the other SEC schools and I love seeing them get beat. Especially Florida, KY, Mizzou. That said, I hope KY takes care of Kansas. Then, we need to blow Wake out of the building tomorrow night. Maybe that will stop some of the bleeding.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2014, 12:32:13 pm »

I get that overall the SEC's performance makes the league look soft. But, if we take care of our non-conference business and win 12 or 13 conference games, we will be good for the tourney regardless of what the others do.

I don't like any of the other SEC schools and I love seeing them get beat. Especially Florida, KY, Mizzou. That said, I hope KY takes care of Kansas. Then, we need to blow Wake out of the building tomorrow night. Maybe that will stop some of the bleeding.

The problem is that we can take care of business, and the poor play of our league can still screw us.

We win 13 conference games, play well in non-con, and we're in the tournament, sure.....but if the SEC stinks,  there is a big difference between being in as 9 seed, versus being in as 6.  Any way you slice it, it hurts Arkansas for the league to be this bad.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2014, 12:36:25 pm »

The problem is that we can take care of business, and the poor play of our league can still screw us.

We win 13 conference games, play well in non-con, and we're in the tournament, sure.....but if the SEC stinks,  there is a big difference between being in as 9 seed, versus being in as 6.  Any way you slice it, it hurts Arkansas for the league to be this bad.

If we are in and other marginal teams miss out, that helps us in recruiting. Especially against Tenner, Lsu, and Mizzou. Once we get firmly established, maybe we let a few others in the back door. Just saying.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2014, 12:45:06 pm »

If we are in and other marginal teams miss out, that helps us in recruiting. Especially against Tenner, Lsu, and Mizzou. Once we get firmly established, maybe we let a few others in the back door. Just saying.

If we are consistently recruiting against Tennessee and Missouri,  instead of Duke, Syracuse, etc,  we have a very low ceiling.

We cannot afford to have a league this bad, if we expect to prosper as a program.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2014, 12:49:28 pm »

I'm with Erie on this one.  Either way you slice it, it's bad for us if our league is bad.  I know it's hard to root for schools that have been our rivals all these years, but we need them to do well in the non-conference.  I'm not going to lie I still root for a lot of them to lose out of habit, but I know we need them to be good to help us out.  We need to get back to the days where if your just 1 game above .500 in conference you're almost guaranteed to make it in the tourney from the SEC.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2014, 12:50:23 pm »

I'm pulling for South Carolina and a comeback.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2014, 01:15:20 pm »

Our non-con SOS will still be good regardless of how the SEC performs.  Last night our projected SOS took a hit when a few teams that were supposed to win didn't.  I was looking on RPIForecast to see how much it was lowering our projected RPI but was surprised to see it trending upward.  The reason?  They increased the likelihood of us winning games against teams like SMU, Clemson, and the rest of the SEC.  Our year end projection has gone from 37 to 30 in a matter of days.

Tough start to the day with Iona and USCW. Neither were projected to win but I hoped we'd nab one of them.  Our RPI keeps getting hit because we aren't winning any of the 50-50 games.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2014, 01:15:57 pm »

I'm pulling for South Carolina and a comeback.

We need South Carolina to win, because we play at their place this season, and they are going to beat us.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2014, 10:49:13 pm »

Lsu wins
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2014, 11:05:28 pm »

Lsu wins

Boy did they get fortunate too.  Down by 4 with 20 secs left and they pull it out in OT due to a bunch of boneheaded mistakes by TT.  Glad they pulled it out.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2014, 11:13:35 pm »

Boy did they get fortunate too.  Down by 4 with 20 secs left and they pull it out in OT due to a bunch of boneheaded mistaked by TT.  Glad they pulled it out.

Watched the entire second half, LSU doesn't look as impressive as I thought they would.  Offense was very stagnate, shooting was bad, and they committed a lot of silly fouls.  Texas Tech gave them this game.

Also, Adam how's our non-conference opponents doing?
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2014, 12:33:19 am »

Watched the entire second half, LSU doesn't look as impressive as I thought they would.  Offense was very stagnate, shooting was bad, and they committed a lot of silly fouls.  Texas Tech gave them this game.

Also, Adam how's our non-conference opponents doing?

RPIForecast had us coming into the season with a #45 non-con SOS, which if it stays that high we will be doing great.  So far it has.  Clemson is really the only team so far to have a loss that they should've easily won, so so far not too bad.  I think through tonight our non-con opponents record is 11-8, with three of those losses coming to SEC opponents, (Us, A&M, and Auburn.) 

Tomorrow night Delaware St and North Texas (both on our schedule) go against each other and UW-Milwaukee is heavy favorites against IUPUI.

It's just the SEC's performance that has bugging me.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2014, 01:46:40 am »

Watched the entire second half, LSU doesn't look as impressive as I thought they would.  Offense was very stagnate, shooting was bad, and they committed a lot of silly fouls.  Texas Tech gave them this game.

Also, Adam how's our non-conference opponents doing?

LSU isn't bad, but they are going to have a learning curve in how to play together.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2014, 09:08:15 am »

Look at our teams that are positioned to make a 'leap' forward-  TAMU, Auburn, and South Carolina-- but they're so not good, that even a good bit of progress won't make them much more than barely watchable.

A step forward for Auburn is still miles away from being respectable. I think so far TAMU and South Carolina have looked pretty decent against Baylor only losing by 4. So I think it's really hard to say right now that they are "so not good". Beating a Northwestern St. team by 41 that has generally played high major teams fairly close is a statement to me. I think the SEC will have 5-6 teams that are worth of NCAAT consideration. Not saying we will get that many in, but it's just a different set of names than in the past. Ole Miss is down, Auburn is down but getting better, Tenner is down, and Mizzou is down.

But MSU is going to be better than last year, LSU is still an uknown, TAMU looks to be getting better, Vandy will be better than last year, USC will be better than last year, UGA has a chance to be better than last year, and Arkansas will be better than last year. Florida and Kentucky will be fine and both will easily get into the NCAAT.

So to make the statements folks are making about the SEC 1-3 games into the season is just dumb. There will be decent play in the SEC this year, it just may be different teams than you are used to.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2014, 09:16:44 am »

LSU is excellent on defense but awful shooting. They don't have competitive guards. BTW hard to believe in a game with 42 fouls Jordan Mickey never shoots a free throw.

The vast majority of the SEC is offensively challenged. This is a low-skill league.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2014, 09:17:45 am »

BTW now seven SEC teams have lost a game, far and away the most among all respectable conferences.
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« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2014, 09:19:33 am »

BTW now seven SEC teams have lost a game, far and away the most among all respectable conferences.

Not alot of room for error. Can't go 9-9 and expect to go to the dance this year.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2014, 09:28:19 am »

Not alot of room for error. Can't go 9-9 and expect to go to the dance this year.

12-6 may not even be enough this season.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2014, 10:40:13 am »

12-6 may not even be enough this season.

The conference is probably close to the same strength as it was last year, with the exception of Arkansas and LSU stronger.  Kentucky is this year's Florida, Florida is last year's Kentucky, Arkansas should be stronger than last year's Tennessee, and LSU may be last year's Arkansas. 

12-6 should be more than enough with our SOS, unless we absolutely blow it in the non-conference (Georgia of last year).  But, if we avoid bad losses in the non-conference, get 11 or 12 wins in conference, that should be enough.  But, with this roster we have we shouldn't be worried about squeaking in, we should be worried about which seed.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2014, 01:36:57 pm »

The conference is probably close to the same strength as it was last year, with the exception of Arkansas and LSU stronger.  Kentucky is this year's Florida, Florida is last year's Kentucky, Arkansas should be stronger than last year's Tennessee, and LSU may be last year's Arkansas. 

12-6 should be more than enough with our SOS, unless we absolutely blow it in the non-conference (Georgia of last year).  But, if we avoid bad losses in the non-conference, get 11 or 12 wins in conference, that should be enough.  But, with this roster we have we shouldn't be worried about squeaking in, we should be worried about which seed.

I can't agree with this.

The second level of the conference has seen the bottom fall out;  Tennessee, Missouri, Ole Miss are shadows of their former selves.  The bottom is getting slightly better, but still isn't good enough to get out of conference wins against opponents with a shadow of a pulse.

The top is fine, with Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas;  if LSU struggles, or Georgia has any regression at all from a very surprising season, there is going to be a whole lot of second tier garbage in the league--  where you can make a Alabama/TAMU/Vanderbilt/Ole Miss soup of 8-10 teams in conference play, that all have horrific losses that hurt conference RPI.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2014, 01:42:12 pm »

Where was this "realism" in discussing SEC basketball in March when so many tried using the success of our 3 NCAAT participants as evidence of how underrated the conference was and how supposedly strong it is going to be? 

Can't have a conference with so many bad teams and bad RPI losses.  The "basketball" conferences like the A10 and AAC know how to manipulate the RPI.  Look at the A10's seeding in the last tournament.  The SEC being "bad" again in relation to power conferences may not keep the Hogs out of the NCAAT.  But what it will do for example is move a 24-25 win Hog team from a chance at a 5-6 seed to a 8-9 and we'll see a Saint Louis on that 5-6 line with a similar record.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2014, 01:57:24 pm »

I don't care what seed we are as long as we are in the tourney and win a game or two. the rest of the teams can suck it for all I care. Since how we feel doesn't affect the outcome, I am free to hate away. So I celebrate each foe's loss. Some more than others.
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« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2014, 02:00:09 pm »

I don't care what seed we are as long as we are in the tourney and win a game or two. the rest of the teams can suck it for all I care. Since how we feel doesn't affect the outcome, I am free to hate away. So I celebrate each foe's loss. Some more than others.

Seeding usually determines matchups, making advancement in the tournament more difficult, and hence, less likely.

Cheering against the SEC is effectively cutting off one's nose, to spite one's face.
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Re: SEC Basketball
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2014, 02:01:28 pm »

I don't care what seed we are as long as we are in the tourney and win a game or two. the rest of the teams can suck it for all I care. Since how we feel doesn't affect the outcome, I am free to hate away. So I celebrate each foe's loss. Some more than others.

That is a short term way of looking at this.

If our program is going to get back close to reaching its potential, tourney seeding is important.  We need SEC basketball to get better. 
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« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2014, 04:09:14 pm »

Seeding usually determines matchups, making advancement in the tournament more difficult, and hence, less likely.

Cheering against the SEC is effectively cutting off one's nose, to spite one's face.
True, but you are going to have to beat someone sometime and at times it's easier to get those teams before they get any type of momentum going.
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