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Bamafan35652

October 30, 2014, 08:13:30 pm
FSU just fumbled the ball into their own end zone.  They recovered it in the endzone for a touchdown.  My understanding of the NCAA rule is this should be a touchback and Louisville awarded possession on the 20 yard line.  What am I missing?
"The quarterback carry is certainly the best carry and one that we have an opportunity that if you play coverage on the remaining players, the numbers are best to run the football." Les Miles

razorbackchamps94

October 30, 2014, 08:14:38 pm #1
If it goes out of bounds then that's a touch back .
 

azhog10

October 30, 2014, 08:15:43 pm #2
Quote from: Bamafan35652 on October 30, 2014, 08:13:30 pm
FSU just fumbled the ball into their own end zone.  They recovered it in the endzone for a touchback.  My understanding of the NCAA rule is this should be a touchback and Louisville awarded possession on the 20 yard line.  What am I missing?
You answered your own question. A ball fumbled into the end zone of the scoring team is a touchdown. If the ball goes out of the back of the end zone, or side, that is a touchback. But Fumbling into the end zone and recovering it is a touchdown for sure.

Arazorbackguy1

October 30, 2014, 08:17:31 pm #3
My question is, the guy fumbled it forward. It should have been ball at the spot of the fumble.
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hogcard1964

October 30, 2014, 08:18:17 pm #4
Quote from: Arazorbackguy1 on October 30, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
My question is, the guy fumbled it forward. It should have been ball at the spot of the fumble.

Yes, this is true.

incHOGnito

October 30, 2014, 08:18:58 pm #5
Quote from: Arazorbackguy1 on October 30, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
My question is, the guy fumbled it forward. It should have been ball at the spot of the fumble.

If the same guy recovers then no. It's a touchdown.

Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:19:09 pm #6
Quote from: Arazorbackguy1 on October 30, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
My question is, the guy fumbled it forward. It should have been ball at the spot of the fumble.

This is what I was thinking.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

Bamafan35652

October 30, 2014, 08:19:15 pm #7
I edited the question.  I did not realize out of bounds in the endzone was treated differently than recovering the fumble in the endzone.
"The quarterback carry is certainly the best carry and one that we have an opportunity that if you play coverage on the remaining players, the numbers are best to run the football." Les Miles

Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:19:42 pm #8
Quote from: incHOGnito on October 30, 2014, 08:18:58 pm
If the same guy recovers then no. It's a touchdown.

Ok, didn't realize the guy who fumbled recovered it.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

Cinco de Hogo

October 30, 2014, 08:19:54 pm #9
Also there is some funky rule about the offense advancing a fumble.  Just the last game I believe Arkansas fumbled the ball and would have got a lot of extra yardage but it was brought back to the spot of the fumble. Did it go out of bounds?

Wierd stuff happens with SEC refs!

Bamafan35652

October 30, 2014, 08:21:24 pm #10
^^^^^^^^^^^this
"The quarterback carry is certainly the best carry and one that we have an opportunity that if you play coverage on the remaining players, the numbers are best to run the football." Les Miles

ErieHog

October 30, 2014, 08:22:03 pm #11
Quote from: Bamafan35652 on October 30, 2014, 08:13:30 pm
FSU just fumbled the ball into their own end zone.  They recovered it in the endzone for a touchdown.  My understanding of the NCAA rule is this should be a touchback and Louisville awarded possession on the 20 yard line.  What am I missing?

If Louisville had recovered, yes;  as FSU recovered a ball fumbled, the call is a TD, unless its 4th down, or the ball going out of bounds.

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LL COOL HOG

October 30, 2014, 08:22:59 pm #12
Quote from: Arazorbackguy1 on October 30, 2014, 08:17:31 pm
My question is, the guy fumbled it forward. It should have been ball at the spot of the fumble.

NFL or College Rule?  The different rules tick me off.
 

ricepig

October 30, 2014, 08:23:06 pm #13
Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on October 30, 2014, 08:19:42 pm
Ok, didn't realize the guy who fumbled recovered it.

He didn't, Jack's grandson recovered it.

Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:23:07 pm #14
Quote from: Cinco de Hogo on October 30, 2014, 08:19:54 pm
Also there is some funky rule about the offense advancing a fumble.  Just the last game I believe Arkansas fumbled the ball and would have got a lot of extra yardage but it was brought back to the spot of the fumble. Did it go out of bounds?

Wierd stuff happens with SEC refs!

Nm
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

rljjr

October 30, 2014, 08:23:24 pm #15
Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on October 30, 2014, 08:19:42 pm
Ok, didn't realize the guy who fumbled recovered it.

I don't know that he did, did he? Oh well, too late now.

Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:25:25 pm #16
So then in college, can a ball be fumble forward?
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

ErieHog

October 30, 2014, 08:25:57 pm #17
Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on October 30, 2014, 08:25:25 pm
So then in college, can a ball be fumble forward?

Yes, within certain limitations.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

lefty08

October 30, 2014, 08:26:06 pm #18
I was wondering the same thing, you can't fumble forward
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Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:26:14 pm #19
Quote from: rljjr on October 30, 2014, 08:23:24 pm
I don't know that he did, did he? Oh well, too late now.

I don't know, but someone said it would be a TD is the fumbler recovered.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

Bubba's Bruisers

October 30, 2014, 08:26:39 pm #20
Quote from: ErieHog on October 30, 2014, 08:25:57 pm
Yes, within certain limitations.

Not much help, but thanks.
I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heal.

Genesis 3:15

ErieHog

October 30, 2014, 08:29:04 pm #21
Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on October 30, 2014, 08:26:39 pm
Not much help, but thanks.

It can't happen on 4th down;  if it goes out of bounds forward of the spot of the fumble, it is returned to the spot of the fumble;  the ball cannot be further advanced than the spot of the recovery, unless it is recovered by the fumbler-- and it cannot be intentional.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Fayettechill14

October 30, 2014, 08:45:03 pm #22
If FSU recovers the fumble in the endzone, it's a TD. See: Jarius Wright's recovery of Cobi Hamilton's fumble in the endzone against Texas A&M 2011.

The only time you can't advance it is if it goes out of bounds.

Hammibal Lecter

October 30, 2014, 08:55:21 pm #23
Can't fumble forward for a first down on 4th down. I believe that's the rule.
If it would've been 4th and Goal, ball would've gone to Louisville at spot of fumble.
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arkansasrazorback

October 30, 2014, 08:56:20 pm #24
remember back to the Ark vs. A&M game in 2011 when Cobi Hamilton caught a pass and fumbled about the 10 yard line.  The ball went in the endzone and jarius wright recovered for a TD.
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