BB+JC= Bad Fit

[Torqued pork]

I can't take him seriously because of the Stoernover.  But I admit, another Chaney has got to go thread was a great idea.

I shouldn't ask, but why would the Stoernover diminish Clint's opinion on this or any topic?

[Theolesnort]

I can remember Clint with a 40 something percent completion rate and everyone thinking he stunk.  Then the players around him grew up, receivers developed and presto Clint was a very good qb after all. Amazing.

[Atlhogfan1]

Really? Come on. I guess we didn't play any football after that penalty.

Yes we lost to Bama and UGa and still likely would have lost even with a win vs A&M.  But 4-3 with an SEC win and UAB next is very different than where we are with the streak and needing 3 wins to get bowl eligible.  Your criticism post A&M would not have happened and the criticism now would be after having played Bama and UGa defenses. 

[Atlhogfan1]

I can remember Clint with a 40 something percent completion rate and everyone thinking he stunk.  Then the players around him grew up, receivers developed and presto Clint was a very good qb after all. Amazing.

yep

97 stats

173 of 357 48%  12 TDs to 13 ints

98

167 of 312 53%  26 TDs to 8 ints

[PorkRinds]

I shouldn't ask, but why would the Stoernover diminish Clint's opinion on this or any topic?

It was a joke.  Maybe it wasn't a very good one.

[bphi11ips]

I'm not seeing this drastic change with Bielema or this odd couple. 

The odd couple theory is Stoerner's, not mine.  I just gave Tennessee numbers that tend to illustrate his point.  There does seem to be an uneasy mesh of styles between Bielema's and Chaney's that has been apparent since Bielema's interview after Auburn.  I think if you look at the play-by-play for each game it will be a common theme.

[Wildhog]

[PorkRinds]

That.  Was.  Awesome.

[bphi11ips]

That.  Was.  Awesome.

Translation for the modern pop challenged posters?  I haven't seen a movie since Caddyshack. 

[Captain Hogthrob]

I think it is more like we currently are not able to road grade top 10 teams so we have to throw it around and we are not very good at that either against top 10 teams.

^

[Fort Dweller]

Translation for the modern pop challenged posters?  I haven't seen a movie since Caddyshack. 

Not even Bachelor Party?

[mudder190]

So far this is positive, which is good. opinions are like a$$holes, everydody has one. Clint's is no more valid than anyone else. This is a process that is going to take a while, but I think in time.......it's going to be good............as far as the "trip".....It may have change the season a little....if we would have won ...who knows...but that is history, time to move on  and be positive.

[PorkRinds]

Translation for the modern pop challenged posters?  I haven't seen a movie since Caddyshack.

that's the last scene of (I think) terminator 2.  The Terminator sacrifices himself by lowering himself into a vat of molten metal, and that's the last you see of him, giving the thumbs up as he is being melted alive.  In this context, it was just an awesome way for Wildhog to express his agreement with Stoerner that Chaney's philosophy has issues. 

[PorkRinds]

So far this is positive, which is good. opinions are like a$$holes, everydody has one. Clint's is no more valid than anyone else. This is a process that is going to take a while, but I think in time.......it's going to be good............as far as the "trip".....It may have change the season a little....if we would have won ...who knows...but that is history, time to move on  and be positive.

His is a LITTLE bit more valid, since he played QB for the hogs in the SEC. 

[jm]

I don't think that Chaney meshes real well with Brandon Allen either. BA does some things well but JC often calls plays that don't necessarily fit those strengths.

[Southpointhog]

This is just a bogus thread.  Clint may talk, but I feel like he is just "yacking to yack"!  After Texas Tech I bet this Jibberish wouldnt have been said!

[bphi11ips]

I don't think that Chaney meshes real well with Brandon Allen either. BA does some things well but JC often calls plays that don't necessarily fit those strengths.

I think he needs to trust Brandon Allen and his receivers.  He did that in the first half of Alabama with good results.   

[PonderinHog]

He won't be back

[redeye]

How do we really know though?  Have we really stuck to the run for 4 quarters?  It does seem like our only adjustment for teams that stop our run is to start throwing it around.  Why don't we make adjustments in the run game?

Exactly.  At the first sign of struggle, we start throwing the ball.  Sometimes no struggle is even necessary, like we saw with our second drive against Georgia.

[redeye]

This is just a bogus thread.  Clint may talk, but I feel like he is just "yacking to yack"!  After Texas Tech I bet this Jibberish wouldnt have been said!

We never gave up on the run and plowed over Texas Tech.  What was there to say?

[Atlhogfan1]

Exactly.  At the first sign of struggle, we start throwing the ball.  Sometimes no struggle is even necessary, like we saw with our second drive against Georgia.

The first play of the second drive was the one I was most frustrated with and it set in motion the disaster qtr.  The tendency now for most teams is to take the shot downfield on the + side of the 50 after a change of possession.  UGa smartly and aggressively played to that.  That set off the chain of playcalling dictated somewhat by circumstance and score.  Our offense doesn't recover well from setbacks. 

[bphi11ips]

The first play of the second drive was the one I was most frustrated with and it set in motion the disaster qtr.  The tendency now for most teams is to take the shot downfield on the + side of the 50 after a change of possession.  UGa smartly and aggressively played to that.  That set off the chain of playcalling dictated somewhat by circumstance and score.  Our offense doesn't recover well from setbacks. 

I made this point after he did the same thing against Alabama and Kirby Smart teed off on it.  And again after Georgia.  Chaney does appear to be losing the chess match at key points in the game. 

[bphi11ips]

He won't be back

Okay.  Good translation.  I do think he'll be back and hope he is, at least until we have turnover in the QB line-of-succession. 

[PonderinHog]

Okay.  Good translation.  I do think he'll be back and hope he is, at least until we have turnover in the QB line-of-succession.

So many things need to play out.  A few conference wins and I think most everyone would chillax.  We're a pretty damn good football team, but we just can't seem to put it all together on the field.

[Mike Irwin]

Clint Stoerner said on the radio this morning the scheme is the problem with the UA offense and that BB and JC are a bad fit together. If Bielema keeps Chaney after this year he will not last past next year.

So if Clint says it Bielema must make a change or he'll be fired after next season? Got it.

Do you understand what Sam Pittman means to what Bielema is trying to do? Do you understand that Chaney and Pittman are very close? Pittman got a raise to turn down Alabama but mostly he stayed because he likes working with Chaney.

You never say never in football but I don't see Chaney going anywhere. Again some of you are judging this team based on where it's at in year two. That's like looking at a house under construction and saying, man there's no brick on those walls. They need to fire the contractor.

[Oklahawg]

Translation for the modern pop challenged posters?  I haven't seen a movie since Caddyshack. 

Your taste in films is spot on! +1 if I could.

[Oklahawg]

If we have a Zach Hocker at kicker we aren't talking about the OC right now. 5-2 and generally upbeat.

[redeye]

So if Clint says it Bielema must make a change or he'll be fired after next season? Got it.

Do you understand what Sam Pittman means to what Bielema is trying to do? Do you understand that Chaney and Pittman are very close? Pittman got a raise to turn down Alabama but mostly he stayed because he likes working with Chaney.

You never say never in football but I don't see Chaney going anywhere. Again some of you are judging this team based on where it's at in year two. That's like looking at a house under construction and saying, man there's no brick on those walls. They need to fire the contractor.

That's a very interesting tidbit right there.

I still think play-calling is a problem, but thanks for the insight Mike.

[BPsTheMan]

Brandon was 28-45 for 296 last week

to say this thread is history revision would be giving too much credit to the thought process behind it

this thread is uneducated vomit

[Mike Irwin]

Way too many people are taking Bielema out of the mix on the play calling. Like he's wearing those headsets just to look busy.

Bielema is calling some of those passes. He's not a run only coach. The point is they are working together. If there was a major issue with Chaney's play calling Bielema would have already given him the necessary instructions.

For instance, if Bielema doesn't like throwing it on first and 10 on the second offensive possession of the game all he has to do is say, Let's keep running it for a while.
You think Chaney is gonna say back to him, Buzz off dude, this is my show?

[Peter Porker]

You ever hear Stoerner on The Morning Rush?  Dude wasn't a journalist.  Maybe he is now, but he wasn't then.  And he was obviously unprepared.  Maybe he's more professional in this capacity.  I didn't hear it, so I don't know.

There's a reason he didn't renew his contract. He always came across as unprepared and appeared to do little show prep. It's like he thought he could just wing it. The worst segments were when he was by himself reading the Dem Gaze headlines.

[PonderinHog]

Translation for the modern pop challenged posters?  I haven't seen a movie since Caddyshack.

I just Lacey Underall oil spill...

[sage_dragoon]

Year 2 of a complete rebuild...just saying.

[bphi11ips]

Way too many people are taking Bielema out of the mix on the play calling. Like he's wearing those headsets just to look busy.

Bielema is calling some of those passes. He's not a run only coach. The point is they are working together. If there was a major issue with Chaney's play calling Bielema would have already given him the necessary instructions.

For instance, if Bielema doesn't like throwing it on first and 10 on the second offensive possession of the game all he has to do is say, Let's keep running it for a while.
You think Chaney is gonna say back to him, Buzz off dude, this is my show?

I think you just illustrated Stoerner's point.  It's the contrast in philosophies that Stoerner seems to suggest is getting in the way of an effective merger of styles, and thus, effective play calling.  It's a theory, and it's not one I'm personally promoting.  One example in practice, however, may be the last call against A&M.  Beilema often appears to be an old school-type who believes if you can't pick up a yard and a half on the goal line you don't deserve to win, even against an 11 man front.  Meanwhile, the flat is begging for a fullback or TE off the bootleg or play action.  This is the kind of playcalling that puzzles some fans and commentators (e.g. Marcus Spears), and it is most likely the kind of playcalling in short yardage situations you, yourself, quoted Chaney as saying he needs to reevaluate.     

[bphi11ips]

I just Lacey Underall oil spill...

For some reason, Lacey just isn't as hot as she was when I first saw that movie. 

[gchamblee]

Shorter answer, no.

thank you for admitting you dont know what you are talking about

[Wildhog]

If you don't have some doubts about Chaney, then you don't have eyes.  I'm not saying you have to be anti-Chaney or anything, but there are some VERY valid concerns that even the most optimistic fan should realize.

[ricepig]

thank you for admitting you dont know what you are talking about

Hide and watch...

[PonderinHog]

Hide and watch...

Are you saying Pittman likes it here?

[Qadi999]

This is a great read  about one of the issues on JC use of BA and how he could improve the passing output . BA is  shotgun QB that ran the spread in high school and passing from under center is not playing to his strength.
http://www.arkansasfight.com/2014/10/21/7025033/arkansas-vs-uab-advanced-stats-preview-turn-em-loose-razorbacks

[ricepig]

Are you saying Pittman likes it here?

YES!!

[PonderinHog]

YES!!

That's good to know.

[MissippHog]

If you don't have some doubts about Chaney, then you don't have eyes.  I'm not saying you have to be anti-Chaney or anything, but there are some VERY valid concerns that even the most optimistic fan should realize.

Guess you can put me into that category, and I agree with you.  A lot of things fall at the feet of Chaney or BA when they aren't necessarily warranted.  IMO, execution has been our biggest issue.  That said, Chaney's play calling at certain times has left me scratching my head. 

My optimistic point of view is that Chaney, CBB, and this offense are still finding one another.  They have taken a pretty big step forward compared to this time last year.  Hopefully, by next year they will all be in sync.  If not, it may be time for Chaney to go.  And that isn't a knock on Chaney but more of an indication that he may not be the right fit as the OP suggested.

[Mike Irwin]

I think you just illustrated Stoerner's point.  It's the contrast in philosophies that Stoerner seems to suggest is getting in the way of an effective merger of styles, and thus, effective play calling.  It's a theory, and it's not one I'm personally promoting.  One example in practice, however, may be the last call against A&M.  Beilema often appears to be an old school-type who believes if you can't pick up a yard and a half on the goal line you don't deserve to win, even against an 11 man front.  Meanwhile, the flat is begging for a fullback or TE off the bootleg or play action.  This is the kind of playcalling that puzzles some fans and commentators (e.g. Marcus Spears), and it is most likely the kind of playcalling in short yardage situations you, yourself, quoted Chaney as saying he needs to reevaluate.   

Here's the bottom line: There are a lot of people speculating about Bielema's relationship with Chaney based on nothing more than watching games and listening to a few Bielema TV sound bytes. I've been around those guys a lot over the last two years and have talked to both about their relationship. There is nothing to indicate a serious problem. I mean nothing. Doesn't mean they couldn't be hiding something but those things almost always come out.

[Mike Irwin]

My optimistic point of view is that Chaney, CBB, and this offense are still finding one another. 

My view is they are running an offense without all the necessary parts. You know, how Nolan ran his 40 minutes of hell stuff with Eddie's players. It didn't work real well until year three. In year four they went to the final 4.

[texas tush hog]

My view is they are running an offense without all the necessary parts. You know, how Nolan ran his 40 minutes of hell stuff with Eddie's players. It didn't work real well until year three. In year four they went to the final 4.

So if Clint says it Bielema must make a change or he'll be fired after next season? Got it.

Do you understand what Sam Pittman means to what Bielema is trying to do? Do you understand that Chaney and Pittman are very close? Pittman got a raise to turn down Alabama but mostly he stayed because he likes working with Chaney.

You never say never in football but I don't see Chaney going anywhere. Again some of you are judging this team based on where it's at in year two. That's like looking at a house under construction and saying, man there's no brick on those walls. They need to fire the contractor.

Way too many people are taking Bielema out of the mix on the play calling. Like he's wearing those headsets just to look busy.

Bielema is calling some of those passes. He's not a run only coach. The point is they are working together. If there was a major issue with Chaney's play calling Bielema would have already given him the necessary instructions.

For instance, if Bielema doesn't like throwing it on first and 10 on the second offensive possession of the game all he has to do is say, Let's keep running it for a while.
You think Chaney is gonna say back to him, Buzz off dude, this is my show?

Here's the bottom line: There are a lot of people speculating about Bielema's relationship with Chaney based on nothing more than watching games and listening to a few Bielema TV sound bytes. I've been around those guys a lot over the last two years and have talked to both about their relationship. There is nothing to indicate a serious problem. I mean nothing. Doesn't mean they couldn't be hiding something but those things almost always come out.

At this point I will defer to Mike Irwin, and agree that Chaney is an outstanding coach and I believe at this point both Bielema and Pittman support him wholeheartedly, as do I.

[MissippHog]

My view is they are running an offense without all the necessary parts. You know, how Nolan ran his 40 minutes of hell stuff with Eddie's players. It didn't work real well until year three. In year four they went to the final 4.

Can't disagree with that either.  A couple of game changing WR's and a couple more OL for added depth would do wonders for this offense.  A Joe Adams and J Wright would take this offense to a new level.

[sowmonella]

I tend to believe Skipper is a natural right tackle. Next year, hopefully Wallace, with his great footwork, takes the LT spot and Skipper moves to Cooks position in the line.

Very good point.

[khawg95]

The difference between Nolan with Sutton's players is Nolan had system. I still cannot figure ot what Chaney's system is. I was told BB is run and smash mouth. Chaney ends up abandoning the run and is a passing play caller the minute there is adversity or calls a pass that makes you scratch your head. He also calls momentum killing plays. What is the identity of the team? What is Chaney's system?

[Wildhog]

Guess you can put me into that category, and I agree with you.  A lot of things fall at the feet of Chaney or BA when they aren't necessarily warranted.  IMO, execution has been our biggest issue.  That said, Chaney's play calling at certain times has left me scratching my head. 

My optimistic point of view is that Chaney, CBB, and this offense are still finding one another.  They have taken a pretty big step forward compared to this time last year.  Hopefully, by next year they will all be in sync.  If not, it may be time for Chaney to go.  And that isn't a knock on Chaney but more of an indication that he may not be the right fit as the OP suggested.

Good post.  Too many people take criticism of a coach as a personal attack.