Teven Mitchell Penalty

[jfred59]

Did anyone really see or ever hear what he did?  I know for a fact that it was called by a linesman on the Arkansas sideline, who I understand is from Arkansas, so he shouldnt even be calling our games.

[onebadrubi]

I was at the game and didn't see it, albeit I was looking across the field at the play.  Was told by people watching the game nothing was seen on TV screen because it was off screen and they didn't go back and show anything. 

This deflated our emotional team and they didn't get it back in the first half

[hellwonthaveme]

Did anyone really see or ever hear what he did?  I know for a fact that it was called by a linesman on the Arkansas sideline, who I understand is from Arkansas, so he shouldnt even be calling our games.

Why? Because he might cheat us?

I was told these kind of penalties wouldn't happen anymore At the UofA...

And we are getting more and more every week it seems....

Is it lack of discipline of the Refs cheating us?

Its the refs right?

PRJ

[moses_007]

It was another bonehead play, much like Skipper's tripping call against A&M. 

[jfred59]

I didnt say it was the refs cheating us but was just wanting to see if anyone knew if he said something like "Boo" or what the deal was.  I will say this that IMO that no official should officiate a game involving his home State or Alam Mater

[Hawg414]

Why? Because he might cheat us?

I was told these kind of penalties wouldn't happen anymore At the UofA...

And we are getting more and more every week it seems....

Is it lack of discipline of the Refs cheating us?

Its the refs right?
PRJ

has to be the refs.  bc we are not gonna beat ourselves with penalties and/or lack of execution.

[Pigsknuckles]

It was a good (tough) call. I would have clamored, as a coach, for that call against the opposition. I do not believe that the hit was intentional, but it was within the spirit of the rules. Sucks, and it likely was not the intention of the player, but it was legit. Play on.

[jfred59]

It was a good (tough) call. I would have clamored, as a coach, for that call against the opposition. I do not believe that the hit was intentional, but it was within the spirit of the rules. Sucks, and it likely was not the intention of the player, but it was legit. Play on.

Not talking about the Targeting call.  It was close and I thought penalty but no ejection on it.  i am referring to the unsportsmanlike conduct on the 3rdc down play

[Pigsknuckles]

Not talking about the Targeting call.  It was close and I thought penalty but no ejection on it.  i am referring to the unsportsmanlike conduct on the 3rdc down play

Unfortunately, the ejection was part of the call. Unless dissproven by review, the call stands. We are on the same side, and suffer the same result of the call.

[LaDecima]

Pretty sure he swung on the receiver who was blocking him.

[BadHog]

I was at the game - didn't see. Came home, watched the video. It occurred outside of the camera angle and no replay was shown. So who knows?

The Braylon Mitchell hit was tough. Hard and high. If it had happened to Brandon, we would have been screaming for the opponents head.

The "push" out of bounds on the GA player was another questionable call.

It's the same bs every week - bad calls both ways. It's when they are momentum changers or on 3rd down, or to call back a TD that it seems to be on the Hogs.

[Hogarusa]

The Jim Harris article said it was taunting

[Steef]

Despite the fact that most of the camera work was  apparently from the Goodyear blimp....that particular play was off camera. We will never know.

The spearing call was correct. We were guilty. Dunno about him being ejected, but by then the second quarter was already out of control.

I don't think its a lack of coaching. Its not like the staff is telling them "its okay to lead with your helmet".

I think its a building frustration....to be IN these games (as opposed to being blown out)...and still losing.

[WarPig88]

I was there. Mitchell was playing punchies with a GA receiver on the opposite side of the field AFTER the third down play had failed for GA.

Incredibly stupid on his part. Inexcusable.

I must say that the lack of discipline I witnessed today was reminiscent of the ole Nutt days.

These guys have got to get their emotions under control and take care of business.

[Pigdiana Jones]

Since when can a penalty be reviewed? I want all penalties reviewed now because I'm sick of the piss poor officiating in this conference. It's beyond ridiculous or a joke.

[lechon]

Unfortunately, the ejection was part of the call. Unless dissproven by review, the call stands. We are on the same side, and suffer the same result of the call.

hello

[ErieHog]

Since when can a penalty be reviewed? I want all penalties reviewed now because I'm sick of the piss poor officiating in this conference. It's beyond ridiculous or a joke.

Targeting Penalties that result in ejections are always reviewed.   Unfortunately for us, we deserved that ejection.

[lefty08]

Mitchell's head was up on that hit. He led with his arms and his face mask. His crown of his helmet never touched the qb. He did however go high on a qb and that's a no no. He didn't spear anyone as some have said

[onebadrubi]

Mitchell's head was up on that hit. He led with his arms and his face mask. His crown of his helmet never touched the qb. He did however go high on a qb and that's a no no. He didn't spear anyone as some have said

The crown of his helmet nailed the facemask of the UGA player...  It was an unfortunate call for us, but a legit call. 

[ErieHog]

The crown of his helmet nailed the facemask of the UGA player...  It was an unfortunate call for us, but a legit call. 

Yeah;  there is absolutely no angle from which you can look at that play and not see that it was going to draw a targeting penalty.    That's an easy call.

[Been10Hog]

Unfortunately, the ejection was part of the call. Unless dissproven by review, the call stands. We are on the same side, and suffer the same result of the call.

No it wasn't. You have two Mitchell's confused. Braylon targeted and was ejected. Tevin got unsportsmanlike after we held them on 3rd down and were getting ball back. Auto first down that led to TD. Lack of discipline on Tevin's part. Braylon's penalty was hard to hold up on when going full speed

[hawg IQ]

Targeting Penalties that result in ejections are always reviewed.   Unfortunately for us, we deserved that ejection.

Here's what I don't get about targeting rules. It happens all the time on running backs, blows to head or high tackles. Also how much more violent can one be than twisting a quarterbacks face mask almost 360 degrees.
  I saw the lick by Braylon Mitchell on their QB and there was no intent there at all. It was a high tackle and initial contact was shoulder pads and that ended up a targeting call, but suspect at best to be that.
   Giving the fact a roughing call there , there should have been no ejection, replay guys blew this too.
   Other point on this if quarterback is running down the field for rushing yardage, he should be fair game and same as a running back.

[hogfan10]

No it wasn't. You have two Mitchell's confused. Braylon targeted and was ejected. Tevin got unsportsmanlike after we held them on 3rd down and were getting ball back. Auto first down that led to TD. Lack of discipline on Tevin's part. Braylon's penalty was hard to hold up on when going full speed

You see those type hits (BM) multiple times in a game that go uncalled, probably should have been a penalty; but not an ejection. BM clearly led with his FOREARMS and NOT his helmet.

[hawg IQ]

No it wasn't. You have two Mitchell's confused. Braylon targeted and was ejected. Tevin got unsportsmanlike after we held them on 3rd down and were getting ball back. Auto first down that led to TD. Lack of discipline on Tevin's part. Braylon's penalty was hard to hold up on when going full speed

they got another receiver on hands to the face and I saw their db's slap both hands to our receiver face mask with no call- call em all and not just on one team.

[hawg IQ]

I was there. Mitchell was playing punchies with a GA receiver on the opposite side of the field AFTER the third down play had failed for GA.

Incredibly stupid on his part. Inexcusable.

I must say that the lack of discipline I witnessed today was reminiscent of the ole Nutt days.

These guys have got to get their emotions under control and take care of business.

Okay and how many times did we see Georgia players wrestling for the ball long after whistle blew and with refs pleading for them to stop while crowd was booing, not emotion or dirty play on their part?

[ErieHog]

Here's what I don't get about targeting rules. It happens all the time on running backs, blows to head or high tackles. Also how much more violent can one be than twisting a quarterbacks face mask almost 360 degrees.
  I saw the lick by Braylon Mitchell on their QB and there was no intent there at all. It was a high tackle and initial contact was shoulder pads and that ended up a targeting call, but suspect at best to be that.
   Giving the fact a roughing call there , there should have been no ejection, replay guys blew this too.
   Other point on this if quarterback is running down the field for rushing yardage, he should be fair game and same as a running back.

The problem is that 'high tackling' isn't the problem.  You can high tackle all day, so long as you do it legally.

When you lower your head to initiate contact on a ball-carrier, you are committing an ejection-level foul.  That's how the rules are-- and it was the crown of his head on the Georgia QB facemask that drew the flag.  The initial contact was simultaneous-- forearm and crown of the helmet.    It is the easiest call in sports for an official, when it is that blatant.

It wasn't a blown call;  it wasn't even a close call.   Your intent doesn't matter, when you do something expressly illegal that puts other players at risk.    You are going to get hammered for it.

The same call is made if the same hit is made against a RB, or a WR, or a DE who's intercepted the ball. 

[hawg IQ]

So according to your explanation, anytime the helmet crown is lowered and ends up on the face mask of the player with the ball, automatic penalty and ejection.

a couple of points here, anytime targeting called, we should expect automatic ejection
and according to your point, even if refs don't see it- replay booth should stop play to review, that is if we are all trying to be fair- right?

another question are you a ref somewhere or just a fan with your own point of view and not that much different to the rest of us?

[JaketheSnake]

Not aimed at you in particular here, just an observation.  Lots of "men" on here clamoring about how terrible BA is and CBB should be fired and Chaney is the worst coah ever and etc... While expecting 20 year old kids on the field to maintain composure at all times!  These kids are in it much worse than we are... They are fighting to end this awful streak and it stays just out of reach.  On top of that the LOUD minority on here and call in shows are bitching nonstop about everything Razorback and torching BA's ride.  Makes total sense

I was there. Mitchell was playing punchies with a GA receiver on the opposite side of the field AFTER the third down play had failed for GA.

Incredibly stupid on his part. Inexcusable.

I must say that the lack of discipline I witnessed today was reminiscent of the ole Nutt days.

These guys have got to get their emotions under control and take care of business.

[ErieHog]

So according to your explanation, anytime the helmet crown is lowered and ends up on the face mask of the player with the ball, automatic penalty and ejection.

a couple of points here, anytime targeting called, we should expect automatic ejection
and according to your point, even if refs don't see it- replay booth should stop play to review, that is if we are all trying to be fair- right?

another question are you a ref somewhere or just a fan with your own point of view and not that much different to the rest of us?

A few things--

1)  Overwhelmingly yes, barring a bad angle from the official calling it.  A targeting call that wouldn't lead to an ejection is pretty well an anomaly.    It is just like grabbing someone's jersey from behind, when you are trying to block them-- it doesn't matter if its accidental or incidental.  You are going to get tagged, and very likely tossed.    As far as protecting ball carriers, we're also seeing the expansion of the use of the horse-collar call, we've seen the elimination of the incidental face mask call.   There is a decided trend towards calls that favor player safety.   These are the rules of football, now.

2) You don't have to be a ref, to understand the rules.   People don't have to like them, but they're the rules.   You see them applied the same way, in games that don't involve the Razorbacks.  You see them explained, time and time again,  in very simple terms,  and people still seem unable or unwilling to absorb them.   

Nobody is out to get us.   

[hogs24]

Okay and how many times did we see Georgia players wrestling for the ball long after whistle blew and with refs pleading for them to stop while crowd was booing, not emotion or dirty play on their part?

this. That was ridiculous.

[Inhogswetrust]

I was at the game and didn't see it, albeit I was looking across the field at the play.  Was told by people watching the game nothing was seen on TV screen because it was off screen and they didn't go back and show anything. 

This deflated our emotional team and they didn't get it back in the first half

They did go back and show it on the stadium small screen. He did lead with his helmet but not sure if it was bad enough to be kicked out in my opinion.

[Pigdiana Jones]

Both of those instances where the refs kept blowing whistles and people yelling to stop the play and ga kept trying to bring the guy down should have been personal fouls at minimum for unnecessary roughness and probable targeting should have been called with ejections on every single player of GA participating in both of those that just kept going on and on after the whistles had been blown for several seconds. They knew the play was dead. The ref just let GA get away with it to protect them as the higher ranked team.

Mitchell ejection was legit, but they need to call it both ways. Purposefully trying to injure players needs ejections too

[Dominicanhog]

STUPID.. game changing, because we were looking for a place to mentally collapse, after last weeks emotional drain and he provided it ... we were off the field and they scored.. nuff said.

[hobhog]

The Jim Harris article said it was taunting

If true very comical he could taunt anyone for anything. And sad....

[hawg IQ]

A few things--

1)  Overwhelmingly yes, barring a bad angle from the official calling it.  A targeting call that wouldn't lead to an ejection is pretty well an anomaly.    It is just like grabbing someone's jersey from behind, when you are trying to block them-- it doesn't matter if its accidental or incidental.  You are going to get tagged, and very likely tossed.    As far as protecting ball carriers, we're also seeing the expansion of the use of the horse-collar call, we've seen the elimination of the incidental face mask call.   There is a decided trend towards calls that favor player safety.   These are the rules of football, now.

2) You don't have to be a ref, to understand the rules.   People don't have to like them, but they're the rules.   You see them applied the same way, in games that don't involve the Razorbacks.  You see them explained, time and time again,  in very simple terms,  and people still seem unable or unwilling to absorb them.   

Nobody is out to get us.   

No, I don't think anyone is trying to cheat anyone really. Didn't mean to lead conversation that direction.
  I do believe however, things sometimes depends on each one's opinion or how they really saw the play. You claim your view and/or opinion is based on how you view the play and your interpretation of targeting rules. so be it, I'm good with that.
I do see many things happening during games that are let go or not called for whatever reason.  If refs are not favoring any giving team, flags or penalties should be somewhat even at the end of game in any case.
 
however yesterday in the first half it did look like Georgia got ever call, I believe it contributed to hog melt down in 2nd quarter. I do realize we are still young , inexperienced and lack in maturity in overcoming these kind of things, but have to at some point do that to get better.

Officials as a whole in SEC or any other conference are IMO inept and do very poor jobs at that profession. Appreciate your thoughts and views but still I have my views too.

[Großer Kriegschwein]

No, I don't think anyone is trying to cheat anyone really. Didn't mean to lead conversation that direction.
  I do believe however, things sometimes depends on each one's opinion or how they really saw the play. You claim your view and/or opinion is based on how you view the play and your interpretation of targeting rules. so be it, I'm good with that.
I do see many things happening during games that are let go or not called for whatever reason.  If refs are not favoring any giving team, flags or penalties should be somewhat even at the end of game in any case.
 
however yesterday in the first half it did look like Georgia got ever call, I believe it contributed to hog melt down in 2nd quarter. I do realize we are still young , inexperienced and lack in maturity in overcoming these kind of things, but have to at some point do that to get better.

Officials as a whole in SEC or any other conference are IMO inept and do very poor jobs at that profession. Appreciate your thoughts and views but still I have my views too.

The team has been told repeatedly that they can't win giving up so many yards on penalties. That may have something to do with their heads dropping a bit after all the penalties in the first half. It took the halftime to calm everyone down and make them realize that they can get their way back in to it by correcting the issue and forgetting it happened.

[onebadrubi]

They did go back and show it on the stadium small screen. He did lead with his helmet but not sure if it was bad enough to be kicked out in my opinion.

Tevin was not the one that was ejected.  The play you quoted me talking about is us discussing the ejection of Mitchell for hte blatant illegal hit on the UGA player

[ErieHog]

No, I don't think anyone is trying to cheat anyone really. Didn't mean to lead conversation that direction.
  I do believe however, things sometimes depends on each one's opinion or how they really saw the play. You claim your view and/or opinion is based on how you view the play and your interpretation of targeting rules. so be it, I'm good with that.
I do see many things happening during games that are let go or not called for whatever reason.  If refs are not favoring any giving team, flags or penalties should be somewhat even at the end of game in any case.
 
however yesterday in the first half it did look like Georgia got ever call, I believe it contributed to hog melt down in 2nd quarter. I do realize we are still young , inexperienced and lack in maturity in overcoming these kind of things, but have to at some point do that to get better.

Officials as a whole in SEC or any other conference are IMO inept and do very poor jobs at that profession. Appreciate your thoughts and views but still I have my views too.

The problem is, they're not my interpretations.     They're the SEC and NCAA's interpretations; they repeat them,  ad infinitum, ad nauseam.    They enforce them on us, without blinking, every time we target.    We know what to expect when we go into every game, because it does not change.

[chuggs33]

I don't think it would necessarily have mattered yesterday, but it does seem like we get nailed for some things that other teams don't. 

[arkansasrazorback]

Why? Because he might cheat us?

I was told these kind of penalties wouldn't happen anymore At the UofA...

And we are getting more and more every week it seems....

Is it lack of discipline of the Refs cheating us?

Its the refs right?

PRJ

It's probably because they were on social media yesterday

[HF#1]

It was stupid and it was what put the game out of hand.  Defense was walking off the field had he not done that. 

[rizzohoghead]

This discussion is about what happened on the Teven Mitchell penalty. . So everyone randomly talking about the Braylon Mitchell penalty and ejection there is a separate topic for that. Do yall also if a friend is talking about Haley Berry, start randomly talking about Strawberrys, or former washington dc mayor, Marion Berry's Crack pipe. Come on guys yall have to be smarter than that. 

[Theolesnort]

I saw Tevins pat or push on the back. Happens a dozen times in a game. It was a tame push but if the ref wants to call it he can.

[hawg IQ]

The problem is, they're not my interpretations.     They're the SEC and NCAA's interpretations; they repeat them,  ad infinitum, ad nauseam.    They enforce them on us, without blinking, every time we target.    We know what to expect when we go into every game, because it does not change.

Trying  to broaden the conversation a little to help you see a ref can have a slanted point of view, but you're never gonna see that because your narrow focus on you foregone conclusion that you know rules and the rest of us don't.
  Maybe that's true, maybe not and yes the ncaa officials will enforce rules applicable with whatever malice they deem fit and its not like they've ever been wrong.  doesn't make anything you say just because you say it to be totally correct either, but whatever.
I doubt you are even a hog fan, so onward and upward with your interpretations or ncaa interpretations of your interpretations of what will gets called or not. 

[urkillnmesmalls]

They did go back and show it on the stadium small screen. He did lead with his helmet but not sure if it was bad enough to be kicked out in my opinion.

Later in the game, a UGA player absolutely led with his head on a hit to J Will along the sidelines.  It was malicious without a doubt, but because it wasn't a QB and it wasn't right out in plain sight....no flag.  It wasn't a late hit, but it was actually worse with regard to leading with the head than Braylon Mitchell's hit. 

[urkillnmesmalls]

A few things--

1)  Overwhelmingly yes, barring a bad angle from the official calling it.  A targeting call that wouldn't lead to an ejection is pretty well an anomaly.    It is just like grabbing someone's jersey from behind, when you are trying to block them-- it doesn't matter if its accidental or incidental.  You are going to get tagged, and very likely tossed.    As far as protecting ball carriers, we're also seeing the expansion of the use of the horse-collar call, we've seen the elimination of the incidental face mask call.   There is a decided trend towards calls that favor player safety.   These are the rules of football, now.

2) You don't have to be a ref, to understand the rules.   People don't have to like them, but they're the rules.   You see them applied the same way, in games that don't involve the Razorbacks.  You see them explained, time and time again,  in very simple terms,  and people still seem unable or unwilling to absorb them.   

Nobody is out to get us.   

Eerie...I erased the game recording, but there was a hit on J Will along the sideline where a UGA defender speared him right in the chest with his helmet.  He even launched a little bit.  No flag.  That's the stuff that irks me.  There's NO WAY Mitchell's hit was worse than that one, but because it was on the QB...flag, and ejection. 

I wish I hadn't erased it so I could find the time that it occurred.  It was blatant. 

[urkillnmesmalls]

I thought the thread had regressed to Braylon Mitchell.  I have no idea what the T Mitchell play was all about.  I didn't see that one.  It was the most crucial penalty of the season though.  Coupled with the missed extra point, it seemed like our team just mailed it in until they got over it at halftime. 

[Hoggish1]

Okay and how many times did we see Georgia players wrestling for the ball long after whistle blew and with refs pleading for them to stop while crowd was booing, not emotion or dirty play on their part?

So, about UGA the refs plead, but about us the flag comes out...?  Come back a clarify your thoughts because I don't think the refs are helpless.

UGA went hard during and after the whistle, all day!

I am sick and tired of Arkansas getting the shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hogfaniam]

They did go back and show it on the stadium small screen. He did lead with his helmet but not sure if it was bad enough to be kicked out in my opinion.

The beauty of the rule is that it eliminates intent and degrees of badness. 

[hawg IQ]

So, about UGA the refs plead, but about us the flag comes out...?  Come back a clarify your thoughts because I don't think the refs are helpless.

UGA went hard during and after the whistle, all day!

I am sick and tired of Arkansas getting the shaft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The whole point I think and one wonders why different posters want just focus on a single point, really without much merit other just some fast talk like they are lawyers or something.
The hogs do get shafted at times, maybe not always. I thought second half refs were decent, but game was decided by then.
All that's been said I realize hogs had a bad day and would have been beaten down by several SEC teams, but saying refs are enforcing rule based on a simple definitions like we just don't learn as a  team or poor coaching( about rules) is nothing short of pure BS. Refs do take side without question.