I guess we can't Out-Bama Bama

[upperdeck_hawg]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

[RAZORHOGG15]

Step away from the ledge upper deck it's only year two man.  Things will be alright

[TMc]

Not yet.  Until we able to do just that.., I think we are going to have to be more dedicated to the passing game so that we can run it more effectively against these better defenses.  I think we need to adapt and adjust a bit.

[Jek Tono Porkins]

The hunh is not an equalizer. Can Newton and Johnny Manziel are equalizers. If you could out scheme bama Petrino would have found a way to do it. Simple as that.

[Atlhogfan1]

Our offense did as well as Ole Miss' last week with the exception they scored on Bama's gifts.  We had opportunities to make plays in the passing game.

Lets keep bitching though that we aren't a HUNH.  We should hire Lashlee and scrap everything we are doing.  This is so easy to quit.

[Science Fiction Greg]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

Literally a 4 year-old's football logic.

[upperdeck_hawg]

Our offense did as well as Ole Miss' last week with the exception they scored on Bama's gifts.  We had opportunities to make plays in the passing game.

Lets keep bitching though that we aren't a HUNH.  We should hire Lashlee and scrap everything we are doing.  This is so easy to quit.

You just made my point. Ole Miss has plays to get what they call bunch yards through a vertical passing game. That is why they scored touchdowns and we could not.

[Fletch]

Saban has had his machine going for 8 years. In year 2, we are almost their equal. Hard to put a negative spin on that, but some will give it their best.

[Atlhogfan1]

You just made my point. Ole Miss has plays to get what they call bunch yards through a vertical passing game. That is why they scored touchdowns and we could not.

We made plays in the passing game from a bunch formation as well.  We used our TE's like Ole Miss.  But I'll join you.  Frank it, lets quit.  We need to scrap what we are doing and hire Lashlee or Chadd Morris.  Maybe this will be the beginning of the end of Bielema and we can move on in a couple of years.  I can't wait till we go finesse spread. 

[upperdeck_hawg]

Saban has had his machine going for 8 years. In year 2, we are almost their equal. Hard to put a negative spin on that, but some will give it their best.

He will be hiring a spread HUNH coordinator soon too. He cant stop them so he'll be smart enough to join them.

[Break & Run]

We out-Bama'd Bama today. We just didn't capitalize on mistakes. But we did out-Bama them today.

[Science Fiction Greg]

Apparently people don't even realize that we are not trying to "Bama."

[Fatman]

Saban has had his machine going for 8 years. In year 2, we are almost their equal. Hard to put a negative spin on that, but some will give it their best.

How are we their equal when they played as poorly as I have ever seen a Bama team play and we still lost?? Not negative spin reality. When we were given gifts we turned them down. We are a long way from winning games in the SEC on a regular basis . Does not mean we are not good it means that the whole division has stepped up their game also

[roothawg]

We did out bama bama. A freak fumble, bobbled hold on the field goal try,  throwing the ball to the covered receiver instead of a WIDE open hatcher, and the defense not intercepting the ball when it hits them in the numbers cost us 13 to 17 points. we have been our own worst enemy the last 2 games.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

The only team that has rushed for more yards against Bama than us is Florida and that was in large part to Driskels 59 yards in scrambling of their total of 107.

Our defense played well enough to give us a chance to win, holding Alabama to its lowest total offense for the year to date.

As a team that still needs to mature, we made some mistakes that cost us, but this team just gave #7 Alabama all that they wanted in the most difficult game that they have had this year and they were lucky to win.

[code red]

With this offense u can't absolutely can't have drops and u can't miss open recievers......and you must get rid of the ball quick.

[jdevers]

Per ESPN:

Alabama had seven 3-and-out drives Saturday against Arkansas, its most under Nick Saban. The Crimson Tide had five total such drives in their first five games of the season.

That is a pretty good start at looking a bit more like Bama.  The offense needs depth and a few talent upgrades and it will be "good enough".

[Letsroll1200]

We played a good game but didn't take advantage of the gifts. I hope they don't allow bama to beat them against Georgia. Have to keep grinding and having confidence.

[WarPig88]

Seriously, this is a weak Bama team in relative comparison to Saban led Bama teams. I would put this as his weakest team since his first year at Bama.

If we were ever going to out Bama, Bama, last night was the night. History suggests that they won't get worse over the course of the next year on the offensive side of the ball.

They have youth on the O line and a shaky qb situation with a new OC. Any improvement on offense and they win going away if they just stand pat on D.

We should improve as well, but our ceiling has never been equal to Bama's.

[hobhog]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

No way you watched he game....

[pigture perfect]

I was seething last night. This morning paper cleared several things up for me. We beat Bama in every statistical category except the score board. HDN was not always wrong when he said, we are close. Just one play away. Play calling was not as bad as it seemed, it seems. Win lose or draw I'm sticking with this team as I see things each week that have improved.

[Pig Worshipper]

Alabama is on the way down and we're on the way up. Yes, we'll be able to beat them soon and on a regular basis. Saban has made a huge mistake by changing his offense. It's going to make things easier for us in the future.

[upperdeck_hawg]

Seriously, this is a weak Bama team in relative comparison to Saban led Bama teams. I would put this as his weakest team since his first year at Bama.

If we were ever going to out Bama, Bama, last night was the night. History suggests that they won't get worse over the course of the next year on the offensive side of the ball.

They have youth on the O line and a shaky qb situation with a new OC. Any improvement on offense and they win going away if they just stand pat on D.

We should improve as well, but our ceiling has never been equal to Bama's.
[/quote]

This Bama team is not as weak as Sabans first. I'd compare it to the 2010 team which we should have beaten. They had just lost 8 or 9 guys on defense to the NFL and we had a BCS team that should have beaten them in Fayetteville.

[Fayettechill14]

We did out-Bama Bama. We outgained them by over 100 yards. A fumble through the endzone and a blocked extra point have nothing to do with the scheme.

[urkillnmesmalls]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

You just watched us out Bama Bama, assuming you even watched the game.  The only thing that didn't illustrate that was the final score.  We were ONE play away from winning that game on several occasions, and we just didn't quite get it done. 

Let me ask you something.  You're saying that power football can't win anymore and the HUNH is the answer.  Have you watched Oregon at all this season?  Did you see Rich Rod at AZ get beat yesterday by the mighty USC's?  How about MSU vs. Auburn? 

So much fail in your post.  Maybe BA isn't an elite QB, and we don't have any elite WR's.  Does that mean we never will?  I LOVE it that we're proving that we can match anyone we play physically.  The prospect that when we do get those elite skill players in place, we will be able to play with anyone makes me look forward to the future.   

The days of winning football games in the trenches aren't over.  Bama just doesn't possess the line this season that they have in years past, and they're having to adapt.  Don't kid yourself into thinking Saban won't go right back to the power game though. 

What style do you think MSU is playing right now?   

 

[urkillnmesmalls]

We did out-Bama Bama. We outgained them by over 100 yards. A fumble through the endzone and a blocked extra point have nothing to do with the scheme.

What are your thoughts on the UGA game?  I think our kids are going to come out with their hair on fire and play possessed, and we're going to beat them easily.  I can just feel a break out game, and the kids are so ready to win that it's not even funny.  They have to be gaining confidence, and obviously the defense has gotten more familiar with what they're being asked to do. 

[Fayettechill14]

What are your thoughts on the UGA game?  I think our kids are going to come out with their hair on fire and play possessed, and we're going to beat them easily.  I can just feel a break out game, and the kids are so ready to win that it's not even funny.  They have to be gaining confidence, and obviously the defense has gotten more familiar with what they're being asked to do.

Assuming Gurley does not play, it will either be a close loss or a blowout win. Without Gurley, we shut down their run, pressure their QB, and force mistakes. Or at least we should.

On offense, Allen's going to have to make some throws, but the good news is that Georgia's pass defense isn't very good. Worley and Thompson torched them, and neither are great QBs. Their run defense looks very average, but I suspect it's actually pretty decent. Not Alabama good, but we'll have to throw to win.

I'll be pretty disappointed if we don't win, especially if Gurley is out.

[Boarcephus]

As a team that still needs to mature, we made some mistakes that cost us, but this team just gave #7 Alabama all that they wanted in the most difficult game that they have had this year and they were lucky to win.

We start 8 soph's and jr's on offense and it's almost the same on defense.  That's a young team.  When you watch Bielema's PC after the game you know we're in good hands.  This guy will bring in the talent.to compete because kids and their parents love the guy.

[rljjr]

You just made my point. Ole Miss has plays to get what they call bunch yards through a vertical passing game. That is why they scored touchdowns and we could not.

So when we throw that oblong spherical object we don't want to get a lot of yards? I'm pretty sure I saw something resembling a football flying against the grain of these little white lines every five yards or so. Hmm. Guess I missed the event AND intent of that.

[Hogfaniam]

Until Chaney can figure out how to attack the middle of the field with our current personnel, these arguments will persist.

[Steef]

Saban has had his machine going for 8 years. In year 2, we are almost their equal. Hard to put a negative spin on that, but some will give it their best.

+1

Been a lot of hate on the board this weekend. And stupidity.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

How many underclassmen are starting/playing on our online?   I think we just out-bama'd bama on Saturday with a bunch of youngsters we threw in the fire

[popcornhog]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

In only one year of Bielema's system we've gone from getting destroyed 52-3 or 52-0 to playing them within a missed PAT in this system.

What are you talking about? The evidence is directly contrary to what you're saying.

[jneal56]

I mean the notion of lining up and pounding the ball on an SEC defense like we did to Tech.

Our D played like a real SEC defense today. Our offense was predictable and easy to stop.

I still believe that the HUNH/spread offenses are the great talent equalizers and we will continue to struggle to score points with our methodical approach.

Ignorant. That is all I can say without being banned on this post. You obviously have no idea what is really going on the field to make this post. You want to know what we didn't do? We didn't secure the ball when we should have and we lost somewhere between 60-100 yards of field position by not at least fair catching the punts. Letting them bounce and roll 10-15 yards each time really takes it's toll. We ran the ball effectively. Those who say we didn't have no idea what they're talking about. Bama defense is one of the best in college football. Running effectively doesn't mean you have to get 6 yards a pop. Running effectively against this defense means you open up the passing game. Which it did. Look at how many times we had open receivers and couldn't get them the ball. I don't think BA's accuracy is to blame as much as timing is still a little off. He still holds on to the ball a little too long sometimes. Our defense did the same thing to their offense which is a very amazing stat in my eyes. This team is coming around 1-2 seasons before most thought it would. The coaches game plan on both offense and defense worked. The execution by the players is what did us in. The two that come to mind is the fumble costing us a TD and possession and Collins fumble. There were 3 missed int's if I recall as well that hit our players right in the numbers. There is the difference in the game. Period.

[jneal56]

Until Chaney can figure out how to attack the middle of the field with our current personnel, these arguments will persist.

In our formations, it is very difficult to attack the middle of the field in the passing game. Especially when we are in two TE. Every defender is bunched to the middle of the field. Timing on out routes needs to improve dramatically as well as some wheel routes. The throw to JWill that was intercepted at the end was a great play had he been able to set his feet to throw or at least had the arm strength to throw it far enough for JWill to either run it down or be over thrown to where nobody could get to it. Both of BA's ints this year I have not been upset with him on his part. Last year's frenzy of pic 6's compared to what he has done this year is a drastic improvement.

[Boarcephus]

It wasn't but a couple weeks ago Sumlin was talking about how much of a bitch it was to prepare for our offense.  I like the way we're going and I'm not at all unhappy with Chaney. 

[gmarv]

our team as a whole is so young and inexperienced they are still learning.the games probable still seem very fast to them.as they mature as players it will slow down and the mistakes we are making will magically go way down.then we will beat these teams we are losing to.

[Shorttimer]

I'm tired of the meme that keeps getting some run on this board that Bama just didn't play well and we still couldn't beat them. 

There's really only two possibilities for what happened:  either the team that had been averaging about a half mile a game in total offense completely forgot how to play offense OR maybe, just maybe, the Arkansas defense stymied them. 

Based on the defensive improvement I've seen from this team from week to week, I'm leaning toward #2.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

our team as a whole is so young and inexperienced they are still learning.the games probable still seem very fast to them.as they mature as players it will slow down and the mistakes we are making will magically go way down.then we will beat these teams we are losing to.

This is an obvious truth, and I can't understand why more of our fans don't appreciate it. 

[onebadrubi]

We were too much like bama.  With hocker we'd be 2-1 in SEC play right now. 

[upperdeck_hawg]

What style do you think MSU is playing right now?   

 

Enlighten me. I dont think I saw a two tight end I-formation set the whole game when I watched their Auburn game. They run a spread similar to what Urban Meyer ran at Florida.

[EastexHawg]

I'm tired of the meme that keeps getting some run on this board that Bama just didn't play well and we still couldn't beat them. 

There's really only two possibilities for what happened:  either the team that had been averaging about a half mile a game in total offense

Here's Bama's schedule so far this year.  Who was the best team they had beaten coming into Saturday night?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide

This isn't 2009 or even 2013 Alabama.  They have a first year QB who is not particularly good.  T.J. Yeldon was a very good back for the Tide when he didn't have to be the feature back and carry the load by himself...and when they had A.J. McCarron as a legitimate passing threat.

They have probably the best receiver in the country in Amari Cooper but Sims couldn't get the ball to him.  Other than the wide open dump pass to the tight end that went for 47 yards Sims was 10 of 20 for 114 yards.  As someone posted in another thread, he is the reincarnation of the QBs LSU has been running out onto the field for most of the Les Miles era.

The Alabama defense will be the only reason they don't have an extremely disappointing season this year.  They're good enough to beat most teams by themselves, as they showed Saturday night.

[sickboy]

We did out-Bama Bama. We outgained them by over 100 yards. A fumble through the endzone and a blocked extra point have nothing to do with the scheme.

This. What game were people watching? We just out-bama'd bama in year two. We're not even there yet and we out bama'd bama.

[Been10Hog]

You just made my point. Ole Miss has plays to get what they call bunch yards through a vertical passing game. That is why they scored touchdowns and we could not.

So if we run the HUNH, whay your saying is we would not have fumbled the ball out the back of the end zone for a touchback, would not have muffed a snap for a FG attempt, had a PAT blocked, had AC fumble the ball away 1st play after we held Bama on 4th and 1. I see the reasoning here!! I'm starting to catch on.

The fact that Mike and Mike said we dominated the game and that Bama should have lost is ridiculous. They don't see your brilliance! The answer is clearly the HUNH like every other team in the conf and eventually the country are running

I guess Chris Carter, when asked about the Cowboys beating Seattle on Mike and Mike didn't know what he was talking about either when he said: "Teams that play with physicality will always be relevant whether in Sept, Nov, or Feb, whether in a dome or out in the elements in winter. Cowboys need to scrap their rushing attack in put in HUNH.

Another idiot who never played the game and only plays with himself!!

[upperdeck_hawg]

So if we run the HUNH, whay your saying is we would not have fumbled the ball out the back of the end zone for a touchback, would not have muffed a snap for a FG attempt, had a PAT blocked, had AC fumble the ball away 1st play after we held Bama on 4th and 1. I see the reasoning here!! I'm starting to catch on.

The fact that Mike and Mike said we dominated the game and that Bama should have lost is ridiculous. They don't see your brilliance! The answer is clearly the HUNH like every other team in the conf and eventually the country are running

I guess Chris Carter, when asked about the Cowboys beating Seattle on Mike and Mike didn't know what he was talking about either when he said: "Teams that play with physicality will always be relevant whether in Sept, Nov, or Feb, whether in a dome or out in the elements in winter. Cowboys need to scrap their rushing attack in put in HUNH.

Another idiot who never played the game and only plays with himself!!

Lol..easy there fella. You're trying to make a comparison between the pro game and the college game here and it's not fair because in the NFL, the playing field is level. They all get to draft their players. In college, teams like Ole Miss, Mizzou and Miss State can gain an advantage by running schemes that are difficult to defend.

By the way, the number 1 and two ranked teams in the country right now run either a spread or HUNH or both.

Last year, two HUNH teams played in the SEC championship. One of them was in their second year of the SEC.

[Been10Hog]

Lol..easy there fella. You're trying to make a comparison between the pro game and the college game here and it's not fair because in the NFL, the playing field is level. They all get to draft their players. In college, teams like Ole Miss, Mizzou and Miss State can gain an advantage by running schemes that are difficult to defend.

By the way, the number 1 and two ranked teams in the country right now run either a spread or HUNH or both.

Last year, two HUNH teams played in the SEC championship. One of them was in their second year of the SEC.

I think our "scheme" did pretty good little fella!

Not going to argue with someone who has never played div 1 football that thinks they know it all. I'm glad we're headed where we're headed! Played competitive with 3 top 5 teams in year 2 of "our scheme". Cuddle up with your HUNH blanket!

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

You just made my point. Ole Miss has plays to get what they call bunch yards through a vertical passing game. That is why they scored touchdowns and we could not.

If we had a Laquan (sp?) Treadwell, things would be very different. 

Also of note, Ole Miss did not run the HUNH against Bama very much- if at all. Freeze stated, and I'm paraphrasing from the announcers, that the HUNH causes too many offensive mistakes against big time SEC defenses.   

Finally- the Arkansas team is a work in progress.  Prior to the year, pretty much everyone said the goal should be 6-6.  That CBB would be coach of the year at 7-5.  Guess what? If you're a 6-6 team, you're going to have deficiencies. 

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

The Alabama defense will be the only reason they don't have an extremely disappointing season this year.  They're good enough to beat most teams by themselves, as they showed Saturday night.

I'm convinced that Bama has the only D in the country that could have stopped that pass from Allen to Williams- even though Allen's throw wasn't great.  The consistent discipline and athleticism is presently unmatched by anyone. 

[upperdeck_hawg]

Not going to argue with someone who has never played div 1 football that thinks they know it all. I'm glad we're headed where we're headed! Played competitive with 3 top 5 teams in year 2 of "our scheme". Cuddle up with your HUNH blanket!

you're obviously old school. you're trying to point out how great you are by saying you've played competitive football so you know more than the rest of us. Another flawed argument. I'm willing to bet half of the Nfl coaches never played competitive football. But yeah, good for you that you played competitive football. You win a lollipop.

[Fayettechill14]

Here's Bama's schedule so far this year.  Who was the best team they had beaten coming into Saturday night?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/333/alabama-crimson-tide

This isn't 2009 or even 2013 Alabama.  They have a first year QB who is not particularly good.  T.J. Yeldon was a very good back for the Tide when he didn't have to be the feature back and carry the load by himself...and when they had A.J. McCarron as a legitimate passing threat.

They have probably the best receiver in the country in Amari Cooper but Sims couldn't get the ball to him.  Other than the wide open dump pass to the tight end that went for 47 yards Sims was 10 of 20 for 114 yards.  As someone posted in another thread, he is the reincarnation of the QBs LSU has been running out onto the field for most of the Les Miles era.

The Alabama defense will be the only reason they don't have an extremely disappointing season this year.  They're good enough to beat most teams by themselves, as they showed Saturday night.

Please don't play the "but who have they beaten?" card halfway through the season.

You could do that for most teams in CFB. See, I'll show you:

1. Oregon probably sucks. Lost to Arizona. Who have they beaten? UCLA, whose best win is Texas (2-4) or Virginia (4-2, lost to BYU), Washington State (lost to Nevada and Rutgers), and Michigan State (best win Nebraska, who has beaten no one)

2. Auburn probably sucks. Lost to Miss State. Who have they beaten? LSU, which also lost to Miss State and has Wisconsin (no quarterback, lost to Northwestern) as its best win.

3. Ole Miss probably sucks as well. Sure they beat Alabama, but as you so artfully established, Alabama probably sucks. Texas A&M? Needed OT and some luck to beat Arkansas. Aggies did beat South Carolina, but as we all know, South Carolina sucks (lost to UK and Mizzou).

4. Mississippi State? Give me a break. We've established that their three big wins - LSU, Auburn, and Texas A&M - all suck, so they do as well.

5. Baylor? Sucks. Beat 2-4 Texas and had to come from behind to beat TCU. Sure, TCU beat Oklahoma, but Oklahoma doesn't have a quarterback, struggled with Texas, and has beaten no one of note. So Oklahoma sucks, TCU sucks, Baylor sucks, everyone sucks.

6. Florida State? HA! Struggled with NC State, who has been blown out by BC and Clemson in back to back weeks. Sure they beat Clemson, but Clemson sucks. Clemson lost badly to Georgia, who sucks because they've beaten no one and lost to South Carolina, who also sucks, and Clemson's only quality win is Louisville. Apologies to Bobby Petrino, but Louisville sucks. They lost to Virginia, who we already established sucks (lost to BYU, who lost to Utah State, who lost to Arkansas State, so they all suck).

7. Ohio State sucks. Lost to Virginia Tech AT HOME. VT lost to East Carolina, who sucks due to losing to South Carolina who sucks, and to Georgia Tech, who sucks due to losing to Duke who sucks due to losing to Miami and beating no one.

So everyone sucks. No one will be in the playoff. College football will end after the conference championships.