Cantrell gets 4th star

[Music City Hog]

On 247:

7 minutes ago
We've made several adjustments to the 247Sports state rankings in Arkansas for the class of 2015 and one big one to the Arkansas commitment list as well.
In the state rankings, we've slid Dumas (Ark.) High School tight end Will Gragg down in the rankings from the No. 2 player in the state to No. 6. Gragg remains a four-star but he now has a 90 grade down from a 92. He slides behind Colton Jackson in the state rankings and just ahead of C.J. O'Grady who we feel has a very similar skill set.
In the three-star ranks, Arkansas State commit Darveon Brown was dropped behind Dytreion Dean, LaMichael Pettway and Deon Stewart to just outside the to 10.
Outside of the state of Arkansas but still of interest to Razorback fans is the move up in the rankings of tight end commit Austin Cantrell. Thanks to an in-person report and further feedback from sources, we feel Cantrell is a four-star level talent and he has jumped from a mid-three-star grade to inside the Top247 with a 92 rating.

[jjdlc]

Not surprised at all, kid is a freak athlete who just happens to play for a smaller school.

[MS_HogFan]

RD has given more praise to Cantrell than anyone I remember in a long time.

[The_Iceman]

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/RecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=AR

http://247sports.com/Player/Austin-Cantrell-23954

[RazorPiggie]

Awesome. Going to watch him tonight. My bro in law is his DL coach.

[forrest city joe]

On 247:

7 minutes ago
We've made several adjustments to the 247Sports state rankings in Arkansas for the class of 2015 and one big one to the Arkansas commitment list as well.
In the state rankings, we've slid Dumas (Ark.) High School tight end Will Gragg down in the rankings from the No. 2 player in the state to No. 6. Gragg remains a four-star but he now has a 90 grade down from a 92. He slides behind Colton Jackson in the state rankings and just ahead of C.J. O'Grady who we feel has a very similar skill set.
In the three-star ranks, Arkansas State commit Darveon Brown was dropped behind Dytreion Dean, LaMichael Pettway and Deon Stewart to just outside the to 10.
Outside of the state of Arkansas but still of interest to Razorback fans is the move up in the rankings of tight end commit Austin Cantrell. Thanks to an in-person report and further feedback from sources, we feel Cantrell is a four-star level talent and he has jumped from a mid-three-star grade to inside the Top247 with a 92 rating.

WOW! this staff can flat out evaluate talent. Cantrell is the real deal. yet another 4 star player.

[swinesation]

Any chance this guy plays DE instead of TE? With all the TE's we are signing, he might be more needed on the defensive side of the ball.

[The_Iceman]

Any chance this guy plays DE instead of TE? With all the TE's we are signing, he might be more needed on the defensive side of the ball.

I think his future is as an H-back. We will do away with the true FB and use him as a blocker and pass catcher in play action.

[COCHISE]

I know Bell will most likely play defense, but when/if Gragg commits, we'll have 4 of the top 15 TE's according to 247.

[jjdlc]

I think his future is as an H-back. We will do away with the true FB and use him as a blocker and pass catcher in play action.

Agreed, but I keep hearing from family how disruptive he is on D, I would imagine our coaches will try him out there as well.

[HVHog]

what does Cantrell moving to a 4 star do to our rankings?

[azhog10]

I think his future is as an H-back. We will do away with the true FB and use him as a blocker and pass catcher in play action.

Would highly doubt a CBB offense ever does away with a full back.

[RazorPiggie]

what does Cantrell moving to a 4 star do to our rankings?

Moved us up to 21 overall instead of 22.

[Huds_HawgTide]

Thiught we were 21 last night already

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Given that 247 rankings are supposedly a composite of the other services, doesn't them bumping him up mean that at least one other service did so? 

[HogInFlorida]

Given that 247 rankings are supposedly a composite of the other services, doesn't them bumping him up mean that at least one other service did so?

247 does their own rankings but they also provide a separate composite which is a mashup of all of the services. 247 ranked him a 4 star but nobody else has so his composite is still a 3 star. Look at a 247 profile and you'll see 2 different rankings for everybody.

[farhog]

Didn't he say he was going to play LB this year, that would be nice 6-4 250lb 4.58

[yraciv]

Moved us up to 21 overall instead of 22.

We're like 17th or 8th though in average rating. 

[redeye]

what does Cantrell moving to a 4 star do to our rankings?

Not much in the composite, but we moved up a spot to 19th in 247's own rankings.  They have us with seven 4-stars, just behind Oregon, and just ahead of Wisconsin and Oklahoma.  I'm sure there's an easier method for viewing 247's own rankings, but I simply remove the word "composite" from the URL for the composite team rankings.

I'm actually surprised they moved Cantrell up, but not because he wasn't worthy of it.  Just seems like they usually never get around to doing these things (Brandon Allen is the only other one that comes to mind for me.)  Ironically, Cantrell was our 2nd lowest rated commitment on the 247 composite, ahead of only Blake Johnson.

I'm also a little surprised to see Gragg fall so far, so late, but I guess they heard he would commit to Arkansas.

Thanks for the heads up MCH!

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

But Some ppl on Hogville told me Cantrell was a reach

[redeye]

But Some ppl on Hogville told me Cantrell was a reach

Reach for what?

[The_Boot_stops_here]

Btw, Austin Capps ('16) was bumped up to a 4* today as well

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Reach for what?

Reach for a scholarship offer. Clearly they were incorrect

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Btw, Austin Capps ('16) was bumped up to a 4* today as well

And I think he's ours to lose.

[Granny]

But Some ppl on Hogville told me Cantrell was a reach

That was when he was a 3 star.  4 star changes everything.   

[titanhawg]

what does Cantrell moving to a 4 star do to our rankings?

It puts us at #19 on the 24/7 rankings (21 composite)

[jjdlc]

Didn't he say he was going to play LB this year, that would be nice 6-4 250lb 4.58

I hadn't heard that.  He plays DE, quite well, and does a little of everything on offense. Had 11 carries for 137 yards, 4 TDs including a 73 yard one, 2 sacks, kicked 2 xps, and blocked a punt tonight.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

I hadn't heard that.  He plays DE, quite well, and does a little of everything on offense. Had 11 carries for 137 yards, 4 TDs including a 73 yard one, 2 sacks, kicked 2 xps, and blocked a punt tonight.

Wow.....Now that there, sounds like an athlete....

[Oklahawg]

If he sang the national anthem and announced the game as well that would be special.

Congrats to Austin, and kudos to the staff for an early "find".

[ZERO]

For some reason, 247 doesn't actually go by their own rankings. We have seven 4* according to them, but they only list us as having five. They place Jackson and Cantrell as 3* in their rankings evaluations.

It's also confusing that they rate Ledbetter as a 3* and a 3* composite, when Rivals and Scout list him as a 4*. Since the composite is an average, being 4* on the other services should automatically make him 4*.

[rusvegashog]

Anytime we can steal a high level recruit from the Sooners it's a good thing. 3star or 4 star this kids gonna be a 5 star for the Hogs, bank on it.

[RazorPiggie]

Went and watched Cantrell last night and the kids is fast. That 73 yarder was straight up the middle and when he got to the goal line he didn't have player within 15 yards of him.

I was looking in the football program and in his picture he's got a huge dip in. I loled.

[JIHawg]

We're going to wind up with over ten four-stars when it's all said and done in February-the first time ever.

[HogFoo]

Went and watched Cantrell last night and the kids is fast. That 73 yarder was straight up the middle and when he got to the goal line he didn't have player within 15 yards of him.

I was looking in the football program and in his picture he's got a huge dip in. I loled.

a huge dip.   Hahaha. That reminds me of the old baseball cards players photos from the early 80s. You'd see the player with a dang baseball sized chew of backy in their mouths. Haha.

[Hawgzinbowlz]

This staffs talent recognition is excellent. It helps being the first to offer a 2 or 3 star, who is underrated,
RD is sold on Cantrell.

" GO HOGS "

[Hoggish1]

When is his 4th * going to show up on our stickied tally above?

[jjdlc]

For some reason, 247 doesn't actually go by their own rankings. We have seven 4* according to them, but they only list us as having five. They place Jackson and Cantrell as 3* in their rankings evaluations.

It's also confusing that they rate Ledbetter as a 3* and a 3* composite, when Rivals and Scout list him as a 4*. Since the composite is an average, being 4* on the other services should automatically make him 4*.

I think your reading it wrong.  When you look at the team page that shows all the commits, it's kind of confusing.  The first column is the composite rankings, while the second column is 247s ranking.  If you look at Cantrell's individual page you'll see that 247 ranks him 4*, and his composite is still 3.

We have 7 4 stars by their rankings, 5 by composite.  The Ledbetter thing is kind of strange, but I'm not sure how the calculate the composite, but however it is, he comes out at .8859, and 4 star starts at .8900

[BoynamedWooPigSooie]

But Some ppl on Hogville told me Cantrell was a reach

Well those people are god-darned idiots.  I think Cantrell may be one of the best players in our class.  He's so versatile, he's got great size, athleticism, is a horse in the weight room, and seems to have a really good attitude.  There's definitely going to be a battle to see what side of the ball he plays on. 

I'd love to see Arkansas film the workouts and drills when these guys all get on campus.   I'm still not high on Gragg, haven't been from the jump but I still want him to be a Hog. It will really be interesting to see how things flesh out.  Bell's hands may be undervalued, he's the quickest and longest of the 4.  O'Grady's got the best hands.  Cantrell's the best speed and strength.  Gragg, it all depends on his work ethic and how hard he goes after it.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

Except you cannot "steal" a recruit from a program he doesn't have an offer from. Cool narrative though.

He does have an OU offer.

Or are your commenting on the fact he committed to Arkansas before OU offered?

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2014/apr/30/cantrell-stays-firm-hogs-after-ou-offer/

[ZERO]

I think your reading it wrong.  When you look at the team page that shows all the commits, it's kind of confusing.  The first column is the composite rankings, while the second column is 247s ranking.  If you look at Cantrell's individual page you'll see that 247 ranks him 4*, and his composite is still 3.

That's not what I meant. Look at this page:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

We're at #21, listed with five 4* and seven 3*. We actually have seven 4* by their own service, yet they only count the rankings from the composites when calculating team rankings, as shown by the fact that they list us having five 4* instead of seven. It's odd to me that they don't use their own ranking on their own site. It makes me wonder why they don't just use a composite and leave their own rating out of it, it only looks confusing.

[redeye]

For some reason, 247 doesn't actually go by their own rankings. We have seven 4* according to them, but they only list us as having five. They place Jackson and Cantrell as 3* in their rankings evaluations.

It's also confusing that they rate Ledbetter as a 3* and a 3* composite, when Rivals and Scout list him as a 4*. Since the composite is an average, being 4* on the other services should automatically make him 4*.

This is why I think their composite must use at least one lesser known ranking; maybe Tom Lemmings or Max Emfinger.  I've noticed the same thing with other recruits in the past.

[redeye]

That's not what I meant. Look at this page:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

We're at #21, listed with five 4* and seven 3*. We actually have seven 4* by their own service, yet they only count the rankings from the composites when calculating team rankings, as shown by the fact that they list us having five 4* instead of seven. It's odd to me that they don't use their own ranking on their own site. It makes me wonder why they don't just use a composite and leave their own rating out of it, it only looks confusing.

Remove the word "composite" in the url, press the enter key and you'll have 247's own rankings.  We're ranked 19th.

I don't know why 247 seems to hide their own ranking, but it's interesting that it's used on the front page of the Arkansas page, even though it says that it's the 247 composite.

[jjdlc]

That's not what I meant. Look at this page:

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

We're at #21, listed with five 4* and seven 3*. We actually have seven 4* by their own service, yet they only count the rankings from the composites when calculating team rankings, as shown by the fact that they list us having five 4* instead of seven. It's odd to me that they don't use their own ranking on their own site. It makes me wonder why they don't just use a composite and leave their own rating out of it, it only looks confusing.

I got you, yeah, it's a little confusing.  For whatever reason when it comes to team rankin, 247 downplays their own ratings and pushes the composite scores.  That really isn't a bad thing though.

[CDBHawg]

Except you cannot "steal" a recruit from a program he doesn't have an offer from. Cool narrative though.

Check his offer list out.

http://247sports.com/Player/Austin-Cantrell-23954

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Austin-Cantrell-134776/print

[redeye]

No, no he doesn't. OU contacted Streun after Cantrell committed, but never officially offered. Let's get our story straight. I'll pile on OU if we land a kid they actually want like Barnett, but in this case you cannot steal what another program doesn't want.

Where did you see that?  It contradicts everything we've seen about OU offering him, so some proof would be nice.

[CDBHawg]

It's cute that you think those are accurate.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2014/apr/30/cantrell-stays-firm-hogs-after-ou-offer/

[ricepig]

It's cute that you think those are accurate.

And you know the truth, riiiiight......

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

No, no he doesn't. OU contacted Streun after Cantrell committed, but never officially offered. Let's get our story straight. I'll pile on OU if we land a kid they actually want like Barnett, but in this case you cannot steal what another program doesn't want.

His Teammates Brady Roberson and Madison Bunch both claimed to be present when OU offered.

[jjdlc]

No, no he doesn't. OU contacted Streun after Cantrell committed, but never officially offered. Let's get our story straight. I'll pile on OU if we land a kid they actually want like Barnett, but in this case you cannot steal what another program doesn't want.

Not sure where your getting your info, I know several people close to Cantrell who says the offer was absolutely real.  In fact, OU coaches have been at Roland several times since he committed trying to sway him, not sure why they would put that much effort into a recruit they don't really want.

[rusvegashog]

Props to those, I couldn't have made my point like y'all did.