Clarification on * rankings -- Ledbetter example

[popcornhog]

I don't follow recruiting as closely as most if you, so stupid question.

I hear people (and have read in the media) saying that Hogs land 4* recruit Jeremiah Ledbetter.

A quick google search shows 3 *. Am I looking in the wrong place? Are the results that I'm seeing (below) wrong?

FWIW I couldn't care less how many stars he has -- between his video footage and his offer sheet he sounds like the real deal. I am just curious and don't want to be telling people that we landed a 3* if he's really a 4* or vice versa.

Thanks for the explanations in advance!

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[mbd1475]

He's a 4* on Rivals.com.

[COCHISE]

He's a 4* on Rivals.com.

and Scout

[popcornhog]

He's a 4* on Rivals.com.

I see. Is rivals the one that "we" (this board generally) go by?

Rivals is yahoo, right?

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[The_Iceman]

With JUCO's, you have to be careful not to pull their high school profile. A lot of these guys develop a lot between their senior year in high school to their second year of JUCO.

[mhuff]

I don't follow recruiting as closely as most if you, so stupid question.

I hear people (and have read in the media) saying that Hogs land 4* recruit Jeremiah Ledbetter.

A quick google search shows 3 *. Am I looking in the wrong place? Are the results that I'm seeing (below) wrong?

FWIW I couldn't care less how many stars he has -- between his video footage and his offer sheet he sounds like the real deal. I am just curious and don't want to be telling people that we landed a 3* if he's really a 4* or vice versa.

Thanks for the explanations in advance!

Popcorn, I was thinking the same.... good question. However, if he is ranked 4* by any service, he is called a 4*. That's generally what I assume. He is either ranked 4* somewhere or was. You will probably get a more informed response.

Many times you will see a player and the rankings by the 4 services. Of course they can change, but that shows the scoop without having to look up each one.

[popcornhog]

and Scout

I can't find his scout profile. Do you have a link?

Thanks

Which one do we typically go by? When someone says that so-and-so is x stars?

Are rivals, 247, scout, and espn the "main" ones?

Is one considered the "best" or do we typically just quote a player's highest ranking?

[The_Iceman]

I can't find his scout profile. Do you have a link?

Thanks

Which one do we typically go by? When someone says that so-and-so is x stars?

Are rivals, 247, scout, and espn the "main" ones?

Is one considered the "best" or do we typically just quote a player's highest ranking?

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=7628904

Scout profile. Searching "Jeremiah Ledbetter Scout" on google didn't pull it up. Had to go to scout.arkansas.com

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I see. Is rivals the one that "we" (this board generally) go by?

LOL.  Yeah, you are definitely a rookie. 

[Wildhog]

I see. Is rivals the one that "we" (this board generally) go by?

Rivals is yahoo, right?

It's the one that I use.

[mhuff]

I can't find his scout profile. Do you have a link?

Thanks

Which one do we typically go by? When someone says that so-and-so is x stars?

Are rivals, 247, scout, and espn the "main" ones?

Is one considered the "best" or do we typically just quote a player's highest ranking?

Subjective.....Rivals and 247 on FB and Scout on BB is probably most accurate imho. I would say that they take the highest rating. It is not that often that a player is a concensus 4* or whatever.

[Pork Twain]

Rivals or 247

[The_Iceman]

I think one of the reasons 247 might be evaluating Ledbetter lower than Rivals and Scout is they project him having to move inside. Which, if true, is accurate on their part.

But, if Herbert works with him, he could stay at DE.

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

247 composite is what I usually go by when calling them a 3 or 4 star, just because it averages all of the different rankings together.

[Speedracer]

I like 247 because they have composit rankings and their scouts seem pretty spot on.  I imagine it's challenging trying to forecast a 16-18 year old's ceiling, but I think 247 is pretty solid.  I like ESPN's rankings for college basketball

[mhuff]

247 composite is what I usually go by when calling them a 3 or 4 star, just because it averages all of the different rankings together.

Didn't know that..... good stuff. I was under the impression they did their own evaluation alone..... that would make sense to me. What does the other rankings have to do with anything?

[Wildhog]

In my experience, Rivals has always been pretty accurate. 

24/7 has been better the last couple of years.  I do like the composite rankings.  Definitely not a bad service.

[jjdlc]

Generally speaking, most on here prefer 247, more specifically, the 247 composite ranking, which takes into account the ratings of the other 3 main services as well.  Rivals is next for football.  For basketball and baseball it's different.

If a recruit is labeled a 4 star on any one of the sites though, you will see them referred to a 4 star.  Of course, if someone has an agenda to push, they claim whichever site supports their agenda is the only one that matters.

[Wildhog]

Generally speaking, most on here prefer 247, more specifically, the 247 composite ranking, which takes into account the ratings of the other 3 main services as well.  Rivals is next for football.  For basketball and baseball it's different.

If a recruit is labeled a 4 star on any one of the sites though, you will see them referred to a 4 star.  Of course, if someone has an agenda to push, they claim whichever site supports their agenda is the only one that matters.

I definitely wouldn't say that 24/7 is "better" than Rivals.  They're on pretty even footing.

[popcornhog]

LOL.  Yeah, you are definitely a rookie.

Yes. Rookie. I know next to nothing about these services.

Explain why that was funny though. Do you not like Rivals? If not, why?

[popcornhog]

I think one of the reasons 247 might be evaluating Ledbetter lower than Rivals and Scout is they project him having to move inside. Which, if true, is accurate on their part.

But, if Herbert works with him, he could stay at DE.

Interesting. Thanks.

[Tejas_Pete]

I usually look at Rivals and 247 but more than the star rankings pay attention to the offer lists. All 3* and 4* are not created equal and our class this year is far and away the best group of commits I remember, almost every single commit has offers from top BCS schools.

Star ratings have also been inflated over the years, you hardly see any 2* players anymore.

[popcornhog]

247 composite is what I usually go by when calling them a 3 or 4 star, just because it averages all of the different rankings together.

So the 247 composite is a composite of rivals, espn, scout, and 247?

[mhuff]

I think he was just teasing you. We all know that you are not a rookie. At least you asked. I just assumed. But , I learned something, so thanks for asking.

[ricepig]

247 composite is what I usually go by when calling them a 3 or 4 star, just because it averages all of the different rankings together.

This ^^^^^^^ I mean, what's better than a composite of everyone's ranking?

[ricepig]

So the 247 composite is a composite of rivals, espn, scout, and 247?

That's what we think, they don't state which services are in it.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Yes. Rookie. I know next to nothing about these services.

Explain why that was funny though. Do you not like Rivals? If not, why?

The answer to which service is...the one that ranks us the highest of course.  That's the most accurate one. 

So it varies year to year.  Lately, 247 has been the princess.

[COCHISE]

I see. Is rivals the one that "we" (this board generally) go by?

We typically go with whatever service has our recruit ranked the highest.

[The_Iceman]

Just so everyone knows, if one site has the recruit listed as a 4-star, no matter which one, I will refer to that player as a 4-star. 

[Huds_HawgTide]

 :razorback:We tend to go with 247 because they have their ranking and then a compostie of all four major recruiting services combined...like it has been said if one service ranks em 4* then we claim em as four stars esp if 2 or more services do to

[RyeHogFan]

This ^^^^^^^ I mean, what's better than a composite of everyone's ranking?

I usually go by the composite as well but it can be a bit misleading sometimes. Especially with the basketball. I've seen kids before that were 3 stars on three services and then a 5-star on one service and it gave him a composite 4.

[mhuff]

Just so everyone knows, if one site has the recruit listed as a 4-star, no matter which one, I will refer to that player as a 4-star. 

Spot on

[RazorPiggie]

I tend to go by 24/7 composite score just because he factors in all the other services. 88-89 on 24/7 composite means he is a 4* on a site or two.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I don't follow recruiting as closely as most if you, so stupid question.

I hear people (and have read in the media) saying that Hogs land 4* recruit Jeremiah Ledbetter.

A quick google search shows 3 *. Am I looking in the wrong place? Are the results that I'm seeing (below) wrong?

FWIW I couldn't care less how many stars he has -- between his video footage and his offer sheet he sounds like the real deal. I am just curious and don't want to be telling people that we landed a 3* if he's really a 4* or vice versa.

Thanks for the explanations in advance!

Personally I like to look at the Rivals ranking number as opposed to the "stars" rating. There are low and high three and four star players. The Rivals ranking number is a better indicator of the recruiting site's evaluation of the player.

As an example: A kid with a 5.8 rating is a 4 star player but a low 4, while a kid with a 6.07 rating is still a 4 star, but just a hair from being a 5 star.

And by the way, if you look at our committments for 2015 and check out the averaged Rivals Rating, you'll find that the overall quality of the players that we are recruiting and getting commits from, are better than many of our SEC counterparts.

In fact, prior to the committment of Ledbetter, if you sort by the team Rivals Ranking average, which indicates the overall average of talent in the class (drilling down further than just the stars) we come in at #13 nationally.

[navyhog24]

honestly, you can tell how good the kid by his offers. That alone should tell you what the real evaluators think of him

[pondwater jack]

I'm giving Ledbelly 3.5 star ranking.  i felt a twinge in my toe but nothing i felt like reporting.  i did not have the gas this time. That dont mean he caint develp.

[pondwater jack]

Ledbetter  .stupid phone

[mhuff]

I'm giving Ledbelly 3.5 star ranking.  i felt a twinge in my toe but nothing i felt like reporting.  i did not have the gas this time. That dont mean he caint develp.

Pondwater, you don't seem to be able to get your foot on anything solid lately. I think your foot is asleep.

[ricepig]

Personally I like to look at the Rivals ranking number as opposed to the "stars" rating. There are low and high three and four star players. The Rivals ranking number is a better indicator of the recruiting site's evaluation of the player.

As an example: A kid with a 5.8 rating is a 4 star player but a low 4, while a kid with a 6.07 rating is still a 4 star, but just a hair from being a 5 star.

And by the way, if you look at our committments for 2015 and check out the averaged Rivals Rating, you'll find that the overall quality of the players that we are recruiting and getting commits from, are better than many of our SEC counterparts.

In fact, prior to the committment of Ledbetter, if you sort by the team Rivals Ranking average, which indicates the overall average of talent in the class (drilling down further than just the stars) we come in at #13 nationally.

It's no different than the other services, they just use a 100 pts. system. You have 89 rated 3* and 80 rated 3*.

[IBleedRazorbackRed]

I'm giving Ledbelly 3.5 star ranking.  i felt a twinge in my toe but nothing i felt like reporting.  i did not have the gas this time. That dont mean he caint develp.

I bet it'll be acting up on Tuesday

[redeye]

I think one of the reasons 247 might be evaluating Ledbetter lower than Rivals and Scout is they project him having to move inside. Which, if true, is accurate on their part.

But, if Herbert works with him, he could stay at DE.

Yea, that seems to happen a lot when ratings vary across sites.  It's another reason I don't put too much stock in star ratings.

Didn't know that..... good stuff. I was under the impression they did their own evaluation alone..... that would make sense to me. What does the other rankings have to do with anything?

247 does have it's own ratings, too.  The composite is just an average of all sites, so it takes them all into consideration.

That's what we think, they don't state which services are in it.

I don't know why they don't mention which other sites they use, but I have suspicions that they use at least one other then 247, espn, rivals and scout.  The reason is because there have been times when the composite didn't match up with the average from those 4 ratings.

In my experience, Rivals has always been pretty accurate. 

24/7 has been better the last couple of years.  I do like the composite rankings.  Definitely not a bad service.

247 has only been around for about 4 years, so that's half their existence.  Since it hasn't been said, I'll note that 247 was started by the same guy who started rivals and then they pilfered much of the talent.

I think they all have something to offer, but that 247 is the best overall.  I do like many of the technical abilities of the rivals site better, though.

[Mr. Barnett (rbarnet424)]

ESPN rarely ranks JC prospects...this is the case for Ledbetter which has 0 stars in ESPN. If 247composite uses ESPN that may likely bring down the avg.

[greenie]

Whenever you see a rating on a recruit that you're not sure about, just ask yourself "How does he compare to Vin Ascolese?"   

[Adam Stokes]

ESPN rarely ranks JC prospects...this is the case for Ledbetter which has 0 stars in ESPN. If 247composite uses ESPN that may likely bring down the avg.

I wanna say that unless the site has ranked them it doesn't go into the composite.

[redeye]

Whenever you see a rating on a recruit that you're not sure about, just ask yourself "How does he compare to Vin Ascolese?"   

They say he could leap tall buildings in a single bounce.

[redeye]

ESPN rarely ranks JC prospects...this is the case for Ledbetter which has 0 stars in ESPN. If 247composite uses ESPN that may likely bring down the avg.

I also wonder if the composite is using the wrong rating on other sites.  Even though he's listed as a 4 star on our rivals list, the first hit on google shows him as a 2 star on rivals.  It may be from high school, but it even shows him at Hutchinson C.C.

[redeye]

In fact, prior to the committment of Ledbetter, if you sort by the team Rivals Ranking average, which indicates the overall average of talent in the class (drilling down further than just the stars) we come in at #13 nationally.

It's showing #12 right now.

Our average player rating is 3.46 and that means something to me.  I've followed our recruiting on rivals since it began and have always considered 3.0 a goal that we rarely hit.  Looking back by going through the rankings, our highest rating was in 2009 (9 players rated 4 star or better) and it was 3.26 that year.  So, as of right now, we have a chance to sign our best class in history, according to the rivals rating, which I've always considered more important then rankings.

[mhuff]

Yea, that seems to happen a lot when ratings vary across sites.  It's another reason I don't put too much stock in star ratings.

247 does have it's own ratings, too.  The composite is just an average of all sites, so it takes them all into consideration.

I don't know why they don't mention which other sites they use, but I have suspicions that they use at least one other then 247, espn, rivals and scout.  The reason is because there have been times when the composite didn't match up with the average from those 4 ratings.

247 has only been around for about 4 years, so that's half their existence.  Since it hasn't been said, I'll note that 247 was started by the same guy who started rivals and then they pilfered much of the talent.

I think they all have something to offer, but that 247 is the best overall.  I do like many of the technical abilities of the rivals site better, though.

[ZERO]

24/7 is, as of now, the most complete and best service to go by. They offer the most info and keep on top of news the best. 24/7, Rivals, are Scout and the three main services, so we never discount any of them. I think most fans look at all three and declare their recruits by whichever one rates them the highest. 2/3 rate Ledbetter as a 4*, so we say he's a 4* player.

It's funny how the ratings vary. Scout has our recruiting class at #20, where Rivals has us at #30.

[ARtillahog]

247 composite is what I usually go by when calling them a 3 or 4 star, just because it averages all of the different rankings together.

This.  Sometimes I like Rivals but mainly 247 for FB.