Wide Receivers

[swinesation]

Coach Bielema clearly said that they are counting on five WR's this year. They are:

- Demetrius Wilson (SR)
- Keon Hatcher (JR)
- Drew Morgan (SO)
- Cody Hollister (SO)
- Jared Cornelius (FR)

No big surprises I guess, except maybe that he didn't mention JoJo or Duwop. Though I reckon it's likely that those two are further behind in developement at the position. If I remember correctly, Cornelius was the only FR WR who was an early enrollee, correct?

[lefty08]

im not sure thats exactly what he said

[ldfergu]

its Drew Morgan

[Mike Irwin]

im not sure thats exactly what he said

It pretty much is.

[lefty08]

youre better than that mike, the only thing that i have seen that might be taken that way is that he said "we have 5 good receivers"

its not the same thing in my mind

i think it would be hard to see jojo not getting time this year for one

semantics maybe, but its surely not a quote

[tophawg19]

what about hawkins . you have to be able to find a way to get his speed on the field a bit anyway

[BPsTheMan]

what about hawkins . you have to be able to find a way to get his speed on the field a bit anyway

maybe he said it that way to get Hawkins' attention

[masshog2412]

youre better than that mike, the only thing that i have seen that might be taken that way is that he said "we have 5 good receivers"

its not the same thing in my mind

i think it would be hard to see jojo not getting time this year for one

semantics maybe, but its surely not a quote

I agree with JoJo i think he gets a chance to return kicks and get his feet wet and assuming that goes well maybe we see him running those end arounds Keon ran last year

[lefty08]

maybe he said it that way to get Hawkins' attention

its because he never said that

[Mike Irwin]

youre better than that mike, the only thing that i have seen that might be taken that way is that he said "we have 5 good receivers"

its not the same thing in my mind

i think it would be hard to see jojo not getting time this year for one

semantics maybe, but its surely not a quote

I was at the press conference. I was looking at him when he said it. So what's this "better than that" stuff? I didn't say it, he did.

Maybe you're a better mind reader than me. I only know what he said, not what he might have been thinking when he said it.

It's sort of like when he said that Derby would be the backup if BA got hurt. Some have said he didn't really mean that. Maybe that's true but he did say it.

[razorback44]

what about hawkins . you have to be able to find a way to get his speed on the field a bit anyway

Speed isn't the only thing that is important for a WR to be able to do.

[Bacon_Bitz]

I watched the press conference. He said it exactly the way OP and Mr. Irwin describe it. I remember because I was immediately surprised for some of the same reasons mentioned on here - where does this leave Jojo, Hawkins, Edwards, and Duwop? But I mostly took it as a signal to Keon that he will still be involved. You know, Keon probably knows all the wide, flanker, and slot routes b/c of his experience, so my guess is that he will be a sort of utility receiver that ends up playing more snaps than any of the ones, and becomes a threat to sub in and line up anywhere. But idk I am just making this up. :razorback:

[razorback44]

Watching it right now and the exact words he said are "I think we've got five very good WR's...the five of these guys just bring something."

[azhog10]

It pretty much is.

Guess what we heard on the video is a different press conference. All he said was that he has 5 very good receivers. He never said we are only counting on these 5 guys. He just said we have 5 really good receivers. Not we only have 5 guys we can count on. That's a far leap from what was really said.

[Mike Irwin]

Guess what we heard on the video is a different press conference. All he said was that he has 5 very good receivers. He never said we are only counting on these 5 guys. He just said we have 5 really good receivers. Not we only have 5 guys we can count on. That's a far leap from what was really said.

You added the "only" part. Nobody else said it. It was my impression that he was saying he had five guys he was counting on. He then listed them. As I recall he initially said four and then he added Hatcher.

My takeaway from that is that he didn't mention Duwop, Robinson, Edwards & Hawkins which doesn't mean they won't play but they don't appear to be in the regular rotation.

[lefty08]

Ive listened to the press conference several times. I can only assume its the same onee you were there for. Unless words get changed when they are played through a video camera as opposed to hearing them live, id still have to disagree. Those words were never spoken, but I guess we can just agree u jumped the gun a little bit, and just were filling in the blanks

[SPAL]

You guys are arguing semantics.  If he said " we have 5 very good recievers, " then doesn't it stand to reason those are the 5 he will be counting on?

[ricepig]

He didn't say I'm only going to play 5 guys, he said he had 5 good ones which was more than he had last year at this time. Hatcher ran with the 1's also, he caught a 41yd pass from BA. There's nothing to keep the other guys from stepping up and getting in the mix, it's up to them.

[lefty08]

Read my first post. All I said was that wasnt exactly what he said, which is true. Mike and others then attempted to prove me wrong which failed. You are right, its semantics. If you read my other posts on this thread you will see I used that exact word. Its not an argument, rather a discussion to clear things up

[chitwnhog]

Start from the  11:25 mark and see for yourself.

http://www.nwahomepage.com/fulltextsports/d/story/a-razorback-nation-analysis-of-the-hogs-first-pre/21993/xalu2XVOqUOlJpr86Ui3NA

[tophawg19]

we will use at least 8 throughout the season

[Paul]

I watched it & got the same impression as lefty. Jojo & Edwards just got there right?  He mentioned them too.  I think they'll see the field a lot this year. 

[East TN HAWG]

Coach Bielema clearly said that they are counting on five WR's this year. They are:

- Demetrius Wilson (SR)
- Keon Hatcher (JR)
- Drew Morgan (SO)
- Cody Hollister (SO)
- Jared Cornelius (FR)

No big surprises I guess, except maybe that he didn't mention JoJo or Duwop. Though I reckon it's likely that those two are further behind in developement at the position. If I remember correctly, Cornelius was the only FR WR who was an early enrollee, correct?

So for the people that have seen them in action, does this appear to be an upgrade from last season?  I always thought of Hollister and Morgan as possession receives, are they?  Can any of these receivers stretch the field?

[tophawg19]

Wilson and Cornelius can both really run

[alwaysnextyear]

Hawkins will be depth. We're not going to have more than three on the field at a time so five is plenty. Jojo may shirt or they may bring him along slowly.

[Mike Irwin]

Read my first post. All I said was that wasnt exactly what he said, which is true. Mike and others then attempted to prove me wrong which failed. You are right, its semantics. If you read my other posts on this thread you will see I used that exact word. Its not an argument, rather a discussion to clear things up

You're like a lot of people who post on this board. You act like it's a contest. We tried to prove you wrong and we failed? Good grief. I didn't try to prove you wrong. I simply gave my perspective from a person who was actually at the presser and heard the full context of what he said
I was surprised by what he said because Duwop had looked really good and Bielema said a lot of good things about him yet clearly Duwop wasn't one of the five Bielema said he was counting on.

But I was also surprised a few days ago when Bielema said Derby is the true back up QB.  According to Derby he hasn't taken one snap at QB so far so that's odd.

Bielema is one of those coaches who says a lot of odd things. I'm getting used to it.

[Mike Irwin]

Hawkins will be depth. We're not going to have more than three on the field at a time so five is plenty. Jojo may shirt or they may bring him along slowly.

Exactly.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Bielema is one of those coaches who says a lot of odd things. I'm getting used to it.

That scares me a little Mike.  You know, we had a coach for about 10 years who said a lot of odd things. 

[three hog night]

This is very early in camp to get worried about what the coach says.   Press Conferences are used as tools of motivation many times.  The WR's do too much running to think we won't play 7-10 guys in a rotation. 

[ChitownHawg]

You added the "only" part. Nobody else said it. It was my impression that he was saying he had five guys he was counting on. He then listed them. As I recall he initially said four and then he added Hatcher.

My takeaway from that is that he didn't mention Duwop, Robinson, Edwards & Hawkins which doesn't mean they won't play but they don't appear to be in the regular rotation.

I took him to be saying "as of today" which tells JoJo and Duwop keep improving and you will see the field.

[ChitownHawg]

Read my first post. All I said was that wasnt exactly what he said, which is true. Mike and others then attempted to prove me wrong which failed. You are right, its semantics. If you read my other posts on this thread you will see I used that exact word. Its not an argument, rather a discussion to clear things up

Is this semantics? 

[ChitownHawg]

That scares me a little Mike.  You know, we had a coach for about 10 years who said a lot of odd things.

Good grief some of you guys come on here looking for something to worry about. Relax he isn't Nutt.

[Mike Irwin]

That scares me a little Mike.  You know, we had a coach for about 10 years who said a lot of odd things.

Not the same thing. Believe me, Bielema does not in any way resemble the other guy.

[three hog night]

This was our first scrimmage.  Let's wait to see what transpires after the important scrimmage on the 16th.

[Paul]

This is very early in camp to get worried about what the coach says.   Press Conferences are used as tools of motivation many times.  The WR's do too much running to think we won't play 7-10 guys in a rotation.

Injuries too

[three hog night]

Injuries too

Our def is playing more Physical press coverage = more injuries and fatigue.

[razorback44]

This is very early in camp to get worried about what the coach says.   Press Conferences are used as tools of motivation many times.  The WR's do too much running to think we won't play 7-10 guys in a rotation. 

7 MAYBE but there is no way that we will even come close to approaching 10 guys in the WR rotation with the style of offense we play.  5 to 7 is the more likely number of guys in the regular down-to-down rotation. 

[lefty08]

You're like a lot of people who post on this board. You act like it's a contest. We tried to prove you wrong and we failed? Good grief. I didn't try to prove you wrong. I simply gave my perspective from a person who was actually at the presser and heard the full context of what he said
I was surprised by what he said because Duwop had looked really good and Bielema said a lot of good things about him yet clearly Duwop wasn't one of the five Bielema said he was counting on.

But I was also surprised a few days ago when Bielema said Derby is the true back up QB.  According to Derby he hasn't taken one snap at QB so far so that's odd.

Bielema is one of those coaches who says a lot of odd things. I'm getting used to it.

U sniped me mike.  Your first post said "well he sort of did" and nothing else. No elaborations that you were reading between lines. If it makes you feel better than so be it.

You are right though, it is a contest of sorts. We finally have a coach that doesnt sugarcoat, a straight shooter, yet never before have so many things our coach says been taken out of context. Its just wrong and im tired of it. So maybe I got a little defensive. You are one of us no?

[lefty08]

This is very early in camp to get worried about what the coach says.   Press Conferences are used as tools of motivation many times.  The WR's do too much running to think we won't play 7-10 guys in a rotation.

Im a lot more worried about what the coach didnt say, no need to word twist, but thats just me

[three hog night]

7 MAYBE but there is no way that we will even come close to approaching 10 guys in the WR rotation with the style of offense we play.  5 to 7 is the more likely number of guys in the regular down-to-down rotation.

then tell me who your 7 are?

[razorback44]

then tell me who your 7 are?

Too early but based off early returns I would say Hatcher, Wilson, Morgan, Cornelius, Hollister and then Robinson and Mitchell based off of athleticism.

[three hog night]

I have a total of 9 from this thread discussion alone.  We have 4 WR's in this group:

Duwop
Jojo
Hawkins
Edwards

Duwop is already showing out in practice.  Hawkins has been on the squad and knows the position.  Jojo and Edwards are incoming stud freshman to add to the ones that have already stood out in camp below:

- Demetrius Wilson (SR)
- Keon Hatcher (JR)
- Drew Morgan (SO)
- Cody Hollister (SO)
- Jared Cornelius (FR)

[12247]

BB does say some strange things.  Wonder how Austin Allen and Rafe feels about Derby being #2.   Austin Allen must be way slow, cannot read a D, got no arm, dumb as a box of rocks, yet when given the snaps, comes away with the best results of all the QBs.  Why have any scrimmage if performance in it doesn't mean anything at all the positions.  Then theres the WRs.  Hope he did explain that his position is for right now.  You should always leave the door open for any player to move up if warranted.  Surely that is true that a player can learn and adjust accordingly.  Well at least he didn't refer to us as Alabama like Smile did.

I have never heard it said but I would GUESS that BB likes big lanky possession receivers as opposed to burners.  T.O.P. and wear down the D, I think that's his game at every position on offense.

[razorback44]

Bielema never said Derby was #2.

[ricepig]

Bielema never said Derby was #2.

Of course he didn't, but it wouldn't work with his post if he did.

[lefty08]

he hasnt said a lot of things some people wanna believe, hence my reaction to the OP

[HawgnCorona]

Does anyone know if DMitchell has accepted his role at the WR position?

[ricepig]

Does anyone know if DMitchell has accepted his role at the WR position?

He has, I don't remember who had it in an article lately, but Smith said he had bought in fully to the switch.

[Peter Porker]

You're like a lot of people who post on this board. You act like it's a contest. We tried to prove you wrong and we failed? Good grief. I didn't try to prove you wrong. I simply gave my perspective from a person who was actually at the presser and heard the full context of what he said
I was surprised by what he said because Duwop had looked really good and Bielema said a lot of good things about him yet clearly Duwop wasn't one of the five Bielema said he was counting on.

But I was also surprised a few days ago when Bielema said Derby is the true back up QB.  According to Derby he hasn't taken one snap at QB so far so that's odd.

Bielema is one of those coaches who says a lot of odd things. I'm getting used to it.

Is this the "today Derby would be the first backup in" quote you're referring to? The one before camp started?

[HawgnCorona]

Thanks Ricepig...Im hoping he gets a chance to really produce at that spot.