What every happened to Todd Day?????

[sadhogfan]

Yes, when you look at the complete picture, there's never been anyone close, particularly as a two way player.

Ha! I finally got it! You're a smart guy, so there's no way you actually believe this. This whole broken record schtick you do is all for laughs.

You got me. +1 to you. Now we can all go back to reality where people realize that Todd Day is arguably the greatest basketball player in Razorback history, and no more.

[McKdaddy]

Ha! I finally got it! You're a smart guy, so there's no way you actually believe this. This whole broken record schtick you do is all for laughs.

You got me. +1 to you. Now we can all go back to reality where people realize that Todd Day is arguably the greatest basketball player in Razorback history, and no more.

+1

[ErieHog]

Ha! I finally got it! You're a smart guy, so there's no way you actually believe this. This whole broken record schtick you do is all for laughs.

You got me. +1 to you. Now we can all go back to reality where people realize that Todd Day is arguably the greatest basketball player in Razorback history, and no more.

There is no way you can look at the entire picture and reach any other logical conclusion.   It just isn't possible, without injecting non-basketball related measurements.

The guy didn't just come in and score a lot of points, rebound well, and pass well;  he and a teammate obliterated the Arkansas career records for steals.    He left *third* in blocked shots, despite playing on the perimeter most of the time.     

Only in some bizzaro world where actual performance has no bearing, is there even a conversation about the greatest career performance as a Razorback.   

[McKdaddy]

There is no way you can look at the entire picture and reach any other logical conclusion.

Yes there is.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

So who be "Bizarro World" Todd Day?

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

You think 3 players of Day-Mayberry-Miller talent would stay all 4 years these days?  Hell it was a bit of a surprise even back then.  I was in the same class as those 3 and it was the glory days for UA basketball for sure.  They are the reason BWA got built because you could not steal a ticket to Barnhill.  Back when I was a sophomore they would open the Barn really early so students would go as early as classes allowed if they even went then you would find a seat and just stay there.  Now it wasn't camping out but I remember weekday games sitting in that empty arena for 4 hours before the game started.  People would get pizza delivered and they just let them in.  Had a speech class with Mayberry, but I don't think he ever gave a speech.  He may have dropped.  Saying he was quiet is an understatement.  Day was a bit of D though, but he did drive around campus in a sweet a** Maxima. 

[thirrdegreetusker]

They are the reason BWA got built because you could not steal a ticket to Barnhill.  Back when I was a sophomore they would open the Barn really early so students would go as early as classes allowed if they even went then you would find a seat and just stay there.  Now it wasn't camping out but I remember weekday games sitting in that empty arena for 4 hours before the game started.  People would get pizza delivered and they just let them in. 

All this was already true in the 70s.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Yes, when you look at the complete picture, there's never been anyone close, particularly as a two way player.

Sitting here looking at a press guide. Of the top ten scorers in Arkansas history, Todd is:
* #8 in FG%
* #5 in rebounds
* #6 in FT% (3 of those he bested were post men)
* #1 in shots attempted, 284 more attempts than #2
* #1 in shots made, 73 more than #2
* #7 in RPG
Three of the top ten scorers only played three years at UA.


Compare to Sid; of top ten UA scorers:
* #2 in FG%
* #1 in rebounds
* #4 in FT% 
* #6 in shots attempted
* #2 in shots made
* #1 in RPG

[thirrdegreetusker]

Yes, when you look at the complete picture, there's never been anyone close, particularly as a two way player.

On defense?

When it was Sid against Larry Bird of Indiana State, it was a shut-down.

When it was Todd against Larry Johnson of UNLV, it was "Nolan, you need to get you some men."

[ErieHog]

On defense?

When it was Sid against Larry Bird of Indiana State, it was a shut-down.

When it was Todd against Larry Johnson of UNLV, it was "Nolan, you need to get you some men."

Remind me again who won that game with Indiana State?   

Day wasn't defending Larry Johnson, by the way, except on switches and in transition. 

The record book shows the clear separation between the two.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Remind me again who won that game with Indiana State?   

Day wasn't defending Larry Johnson, by the way, except on switches and in transition. 

The record book shows the clear separation between the two.

My example was firmly tongue-in-cheek. No way Nolan would assign Todd to guard Johnson, although he was two inches shorter than Todd. NR knew better.


But the stats do not support your opinion. In the stats I listed above, Todd is not in the top 6 in anything except taking, and making, a lot of shots. Sid is in the top 4 in everything except taking shots.

[ErieHog]

My example was firmly tongue-in-cheek. No way Nolan would assign Todd to guard Johnson, although he was two inches shorter than Todd. NR knew better.


But the stats do not support your opinion. In the stats I listed above, Todd is not in the top 6 in anything except taking, and making, a lot of shots. Sid is in the top 4 in everything except taking shots.

Yes-- because you cherry picked which stats to use, particularly the percentile stats.   Todd Day is still 2nd in Arkansas history in steals;  he left our 3rd leading shot blocker of all time (now is 11th);   when you go even further, into player efficiency metrics, he simply blows away everyone else.     The entire argument for Sid rests around his rebounding offsetting disadvantages in defense and a smaller disadvantage in offense.