What every happened to Todd Day?????

[hogsnation12]

Great article on the former Razorback. Those were the days.


http://www.hardwoodinsiders.com/2014/07/legends-of-the-hardwood-todd-day/

[go hogues]

Sure did love watching him play. One of my first childhood heroes.

[Dr. Starcs]

Great player. Wasnt afraid to take any shot.

Worst shot he ever took was at lj though. Lol

[Hogimus Prime]

Wish he could end up MA's staff.

[mountainhog]

I thought I read he was coaching , but not sure at what level.

[mountainhog]

Great player. Wasnt afraid to take any shot.

Worst shot he ever took was @ lj.

That's what you call a runner in the lane!

[Ironhawg]

I thought I read he was coaching , but not sure at what level.

http://www.ozarkssportszone.com/Where-are-they-now-Anthony-Peeler-Todd-Day/18202203

[hawkhawg]

Let him make all those memphis connections as a coach. Then hire him as an assistant and reopen the memphis pipeline.

[popcornhog]

Great article on the former Razorback. Those were the days.


http://www.hardwoodinsiders.com/2014/07/legends-of-the-hardwood-todd-day/

The article says Fayetteville, AK. That is such a common mistake. I've never understood that one.

[Inhogswetrust]

The article says Fayetteville, AK. That is such a common mistake. I've never understood that one.

The states that begin with the letter "A" are abbreviated wrong all the time. They get mixed up a lot.

[ErieHog]

Greatest Razorback of all time, by any objective measurement.

[1highhog]

Greatest Razorback of all time, by any objective measurement.

That's certainly objective, I loved watching Day play, when he was on, he was as hot as anybody in the Country, but it would usually last a quarter or maybe a half.  I loved Mayberry just as much, but my nod still goes to Moncrief.

[Inhogswetrust]

Greatest Razorback of all time, by any objective measurement.

What?

That's certainly objective, I loved watching Day play, when he was on, he was as hot as anybody in the Country, but it would usually last a quarter or maybe a half.  I loved Mayberry just as much, but my nod still goes to Moncrief.

Subjective in nature not objective and VERY much subjective. You could throw quite a few names in a hat and pull one out and make a good case for that one.

[1highhog]

Subjective in nature not objective and VERY much subjective. You could throw quite a few names in a hat and pull one out and make a good case for that one.
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Yeah, I'd buy that for a dollar.

[ErieHog]

Subjective in nature not objective and VERY much subjective. You could throw quite a few names in a hat and pull one out and make a good case for that one.


Yeah, I'd buy that for a dollar.

No, objectively.

There isn't a single Razorback that really gives a decent comp for Day.    It isn't even terribly close.  We've been through this a hundred times before--  people have much more positive sentiments about other Razorbacks, but when it comes to performance, it is Day, a reasonably large gap, then everyone else.

[root_hawg]

Remember when Day wanted a stretcher or wheel chair to cart him off the floor in the NBA when he hurt his shoulder.

[1highhog]

No, objectively.

There isn't a single Razorback that really gives a decent comp for Day.    It isn't even terribly close.  We've been through this a hundred times before--  people have much more positive sentiments about other Razorbacks, but when it comes to performance, it is Day, a reasonably large gap, then everyone else.

Can you explain your reasoning for this?  I'm curious to hear your answer.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

The article says Fayetteville, AK. That is such a common mistake. I've never understood that one.

ESPN does it all the time.  During a game, they will also show the location at the bottom of the screen as "Little Rock", even if the game is being played in Fayetteville.

[sadhogfan]

Greatest Razorback of all time, by any objective measurement.

Oh gosh, please don't start this again.

[sadhogfan]

No, objectively.

There isn't a single Razorback that really gives a decent comp for Day.    It isn't even terribly close.  We've been through this a hundred times before--  people have much more positive sentiments about other Razorbacks, but when it comes to performance, it is Day, a reasonably large gap, then everyone else.

It's like if you keep saying it over and over it somehow makes it true.

[ErieHog]

Can you explain your reasoning for this?  I'm curious to hear your answer.

Open the record book, and you see how plain it is, written on every page. He's our leading career scorer, which is nice enough, I suppose-- heck, he still holds a bevy of Razorback records, 22 years after the end of his career--  but it goes far deeper than scoring.    He's still the 9th leading rebounder in program history--  despite playing on the perimeter (he left school at #7 all time);   he's currently 7th in career assists-- but left school  at 4th;   he is still 11th in Blocks, while playing on the perimeter primarily-- and left as our 3rd leading shot blocker of all time;  he broke our then-career steals record by more than 40, when the record was 230 -- his teammate Lee Mayberry did as well, so he's 2nd all time there, still, 22 years later.

He did it while winning more tournament games than Moncrief, against a track record of better competition across two leagues, while playing about 600 fewer career minutes.    In terms of raw player efficiency metrics, it is Day by miles.

Only the Title and Runner Up teams won at comparable rates, against good competition, but the strongest guy from those teams, statistically, was not nearly as multidimensional as Day.  In many ways, those Day and Mayberry teams were the blue print for the title success that came after.

The main problem with Day, is that the fans never really liked him; his personal scandal and petulant behavior poisoned the collective outlook on Todd Day.   

We like a ton of Razorbacks a lot better than Todd Day-- whether that is wrong or right of us, is subjective.  We celebrate what they did after Arkansas, in some cases, or who they were as citizens off the court-- but on the basketball floor itself, it is Day, a gap, then everyone else.

[ErieHog]

Oh gosh, please don't start this again.

It needs to be started, and hammered on, continuously.   

[sadhogfan]

It needs to be started, and hammered on, continuously.   

Clearly you think so.

[1highhog]

Open the record book, and you see how plain it is, written on every page. He's our leading career scorer, which is nice enough, I suppose-- heck, he still holds a bevy of Razorback records, 22 years after the end of his career--  but it goes far deeper than scoring.    He's still the 9th leading rebounder in program history--  despite playing on the perimeter (he left school at #7 all time);   he's currently 7th in career assists-- but left school  at 4th;   he is still 11th in Blocks, while playing on the perimeter primarily-- and left as our 3rd leading shot blocker of all time;  he broke our then-career steals record by more than 40, when the record was 230 -- his teammate Lee Mayberry did as well, so he's 2nd all time there, still, 22 years later.

He did it while winning more tournament games than Moncrief, against a track record of better competition across two leagues, while playing about 600 fewer career minutes.    In terms of raw player efficiency metrics, it is Day by miles.

Only the Title and Runner Up teams won at comparable rates, against good competition, but the strongest guy from those teams, statistically, was not nearly as multidimensional as Day.  In many ways, those Day and Mayberry teams were the blue print for the title success that came after.

The main problem with Day, is that the fans never really liked him; his personal scandal and petulant behavior poisoned the collective outlook on Todd Day.   

We like a ton of Razorbacks a lot better than Todd Day-- whether that is wrong or right of us, is subjective.  We celebrate what they did after Arkansas, in some cases, or who they were as citizens off the court-- but on the basketball floor itself, it is Day, a gap, then everyone else.

I don't get your idea of the fans not liking Day, I loved Day, loved his play.  You can throw out the points though, different era, no 3pt line in Moncriefs time, also, Moncrief played in a different style of Offense.  If you just ended their career as Razorbacks, you could say ok, Day has it because of the style he played in, but that's about it.  Moncrief, and Joe Johnson easily surpass Day beyond their Razorback careers.

[McKdaddy]

It's like if you keep saying it over and over it somehow makes it true.

[McKdaddy]

Day has been my fav Razorback since his soph season -- no dislike from me. I still love watching his games as a Hog. I've said before that I'd nominate myself for the prez of the Todd Day fan club. But Moncrief is the greatest hoops Hog by a narrow margin over Day.

[Junkyard Hog]

Day was my favorite Hog until Corliss arrived. Have to give the nod to him because of the championship.

[ErieHog]

I don't get your idea of the fans not liking Day, I loved Day, loved his play.  You can throw out the points though, different era, no 3pt line in Moncriefs time, also, Moncrief played in a different style of Offense.  If you just ended their career as Razorbacks, you could say ok, Day has it because of the style he played in, but that's about it.  Moncrief, and Joe Johnson easily surpass Day beyond their Razorback careers.

Day remains the most polarizing player of the last 30 years of Razorback basketball; I don't know if you were around back then-- but the rape allegations were a huge thing, and you couldn't listen to sports talk radio in Arkansas without a steady stream of thinly veiled 'concern about discipline' in our program, ranging to outright 'Get his !@$! out of Arkansas and back to Memphis';  to say we've had a troubled relationship with Day, compared to his contemporaries Mayberry and Miller is an understatement.        I'm closer to being a not-Day fan, than to being a Todd Day fan.  I just can't deny his place in our history, as the best player in the history of Razorback basketball.

Even if you turn scoring into a 'draw' (which it still couldn't be,  even with accounting for pace and the 3 point shot),   Day still comes out a great deal ahead.

And yes, when you are talking about Greatest Razorback basketball player--- by definition that means *only when they are Razorbacks*;  everything else goes out the window.   If you are an outstanding Atlanta Hawk,  who accomplishes great things as an Atlanta Hawk on the basketball court, it doesn't make you a better player during your time at Arkansas.   Play as a Razorback does.

Call Joe and Sidney better pro players-- that is entirely fair and accurate.  Alvin also had a better pro career, and deserves mention in that group.    They weren't better Razorbacks.

And no-- repeating it doesn't make it true.    It being true by objective measurements, is what makes it true.

[mhuff]

Eriehog, we all have our favorites ,and it's all subjective. Sidney was the best all around player we have ever had imho. However, I think it better to compare players by comparing apples to apples..... that is comparing them by postion.

[1highhog]

The OP didn't start this thread as a Day was the greatest Razorback ever, just a What (every) happened to Todd Day??  Still, it seems as you are the only one saying he is, while the rest are saying he was great, everyone seems to have liked him, I know I did, I actually loved Mayberrys game the best, just wish he would have been a little more selfish with the ball.  But Day was legit no doubt when he was on, a scoring machine.  But no Razorback player has overtaken Sidney yet.  Did you get to watch all of Sidney's career?

[ErieHog]

The OP didn't start this thread as a Day was the greatest Razorback ever, just a What (every) happened to Todd Day??  Still, it seems as you are the only one saying he is, while the rest are saying he was great, everyone seems to have liked him, I know I did, I actually loved Mayberrys game the best, just wish he would have been a little more selfish with the ball.  But Day was legit no doubt when he was on, a scoring machine.  But no Razorback player has overtaken Sidney yet.  Did you get to watch all of Sidney's career?

Yes.  He was great.   He really blossomed as a pro, beyond what he did at Arkansas, and likely owns the best post-Razorback career of an athlete in any sport (though Hampton and Bambi have HoF arguments of their own)-- but he's second;  Corliss is probably 3rd, depending on how much you reward or penalize him for playing 3 seasons, and not being healthy for part of one of those.

[chiefhawg]

Jason Peters. 11 Year career 8 pro bowls. 5 times All Pro. Rated one of the best NFL Off Tackles.

Yes.  He was great.   He really blossomed as a pro, beyond what he did at Arkansas, and likely owns the best post-Razorback career of an athlete in any sport (though Hampton and Bambi have HoF arguments of their own)-- but he's second;  Corliss is probably 3rd, depending on how much you reward or penalize him for playing 3 seasons, and not being healthy for part of one of those.

Jason Peters. 11 year career 8 Pro Bowls, 5 Times All Pro. Rated one of the NFL's best Off Tackles.

[ErieHog]

Jason Peters. 11 Year career 8 pro bowls. 5 times All Pro. Rated one of the best NFL Off Tackles.Jason Peters. 11 year career 8 Pro Bowls, 5 Times All Pro. Rated one of the NFL's best Off Tackles.

He's definitely going to be up there;  with the others, at least we have the benefit of completed pro careers.   I just hope Peters isn't squeezed out of the HoF conversation, as has so often happened to offensive linemen.  He's only a 6 time Pro-Bowler, btw.

[sadhogfan]

No need to rehash the whole thing: here is the old Day vs. Moncrief thread, with the arguments spelled out in detail:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=555415.0

Both players have legitimate claims to being the greatest Razorback basketball player; it's only the (ludicrous) suggestion that Day is by far the best that I object to.

[ErieHog]

No need to rehash the whole thing: here is the old Day vs. Moncrief thread, with the arguments spelled out in detail:
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=555415.0

Both players have legitimate claims to being the greatest Razorback basketball player; it's only the (ludicrous) suggestion that Day is by far the best that I object to.

The only thing ludicrous is not saying Day is clearly the best.    It really isn't that close.

[HF#1]

Mayberry, Day, and Miller should have won a title.  They didn't but they were good enough to do so.

[sadhogfan]

The only thing ludicrous is not saying Day is clearly the best.    It really isn't that close.

It's like if you keep saying it over and over it somehow makes it true.

[1highhog]

Mayberry, Day, and Miller should have won a title.  They didn't but they were good enough to do so.

I think that if the Big O had kept his weight in check they would have won a title.  They had a great PG, but lacked someone like Clint McDaniel to stop the opposing teams best player.  He was vital to the 94 team.

[bruisemeister]

Day didn't get the credit because he was "one of those street kids from Memphis who didn't even tuck in his shirt". We sure could have used some of those "street kids from Memphis who don't even tuck in their shirts" the last 20 years. They ended up staying home and made Memphis a national power for a while. I don't know where they are now. In the meantime the Hog fans are still playing their tapes from 1994.

One more noted on Day. I always thought he had a good future as a broadcaster. He did the color commentary for one of our games a few years back and was great.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

One more noted on Day. I always thought he had a good future as a broadcaster. He did the color commentary for one of our games a few years back and was great.

I heard him interviewed recently and he was great - I agree, he'd probably do well.

However, I'm thrilled to have Scotty - looking forward to his commentary this season.

[1highhog]

I heard him interviewed recently and he was great - I agree, he'd probably do well.

However, I'm thrilled to have Scotty - looking forward to his commentary this season.

Yes, Scotty will do great.  And I'm not going to set here and take shots at Rick like many do, the man knows his stuff.  But I do like to hear things coming from a players point of view, and I think Scotty will have a great voice for it as well.

[Speedracer]

Mayberry, Day, and Miller should have won a title.  They didn't but they were good enough to do so.

College Basketball was pretty loaded then.  The year they lost to Kansas in the final four was pretty shocking at the time.  I thought they were going to win it that year.  I remember going to Basketball camp in Fayetteville as a kid and seeing Todd Day in the cafeteria and being floored that Todd Day was sitting 5 ft from me.  Big day in my little sport's world at the time

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

And thanks to hogsnation12(the OP), I think we have new hogville-speak.

Check out the title carefully...

[PonderinHog]

And thanks to hogsnation12(the OP), I think we have new hogville-speak.

Check out the title carefully...

Dually noted...

[Buck Brewer]

Todd Day was recently named head coach for Hamilton High in Memphis when the former coach shopped his boys for an asst coach position and landed at Tiger High.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Mayberry, Day, and Miller should have won a title.  They didn't but they were good enough to do so.

Certainly looks like they should have won one. In the history of the college game no other team had 3 senior #1 draft picks on the same team, yet not make the final four.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Sitting here looking at a press guide. Of the top ten scorers in Arkansas history, Todd is:
* #8 in FG%
* #5 in rebounds
* #6 in FT% (3 of those he bested were post men)
* #1 in shots attempted, 284 more attempts than #2
* #1 in shots made, 73 more than #2
* #7 in RPG
Three of the top ten scorers only played three years at UA.

So, Todd Day is certainly great. Shot the ball a lot, made a lot. But "greatest by far"? No.

[ErieHog]

Sitting here looking at a press guide. Of the top ten scorers in Arkansas history, Todd is:
* #8 in FG%
* #5 in rebounds
* #6 in FT% (3 of those he bested were post men)
* #1 in shots attempted, 284 more attempts than #2
* #1 in shots made, 73 more than #2
* #7 in RPG
Three of the top ten scorers only played three years at UA.

So, Todd Day is certainly great. Shot the ball a lot, made a lot. But "greatest by far"? No.

Yes, when you look at the complete picture, there's never been anyone close, particularly as a two way player.

[No1Hog27]

Congrats to TD.  I grew up watching him,  Big O, Mayberry. Even though they didn't win it all, those guys were awesome.

[Sed76]

He was still very good when he played for the Rimrockers and they won the ABA title. Was great to see him and Oliver Miller playing together again.