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[deedster84]

The way I read this, it sounds good for Arkansas.

Spook ‏@W_Gragg7

Mane Chris talkin bout they '08 recruiting class was better than our '15 recruiting class! I beg to differ.

[COCHISE]

Sounds positive to me.

[ldfergu]

Probably just referring to the in state crop

[Music City Hog]

Probably just referring to the in state crop

Clearly

[ifghog]

He definitely does love Arkansas...I just hope he will call the Hogs! I think it was more geared toward just competitiveness.....I still think he will be a Hog.

[COCHISE]

Probably just referring to the in state crop

Interesting debate for sure. This class will have a ways to go to match the productivity and success of the Gragg, J. Wright, Childs, Adams, and D.J. class.

[onebadrubi]

That's not good or bad.  Problem is, He is measuring his level of good by what happens in their own lives, not what happens for the razorbacks.  Someone should respond and say what made the 08 class great is they stuck together in state and thrived. 

[The Boar War]

I hope Chris (and his parents) are talking to Will about how Arkansas helped turn a two star recruit into an NFL tight end.

[cosmodrum]

Probably just referring to the in state crop

[jry04]

I hope Chris (and his parents) are talking to Will about how Arkansas helped turn a two star recruit into an NFL tight end.

That was a completely different coaching staff.


Although, I think it is clear Bielema can develop tight ends as well, if not better than the previous staff.

[The Boar War]

That was a completely different coaching staff.


Although, I think it is clear Bielema can develop tight ends as well, if not better than the previous staff.

And he committed to another coaching staff.  Point being the home state school offered when schools like Memphis and Grambling were his best options.  There's no question that his own talent and work ethic made him into an NFL caliber athlete but Arkansas gave him the coaching to develop that talent and the stage to show it on.

I'm not saying that Will should commit just because of that but I do wonder if it's ever brought up.

[rzrbackramsfan]

Geez good point poster with the cardinals avatar.

[jry04]

And he committed to another coaching staff.  Point being the home state school offered when schools like Memphis and Grambling were his best options.  There's no question that his own talent and work ethic made him into an NFL caliber athlete but Arkansas gave him the coaching to develop that talent and the stage to show it on.

I'm not saying that Will should commit just because of that but I do wonder if it's ever brought up.

I understand what you are saying, but you are acting as if the school alone will develop him regardless of the coach. Gragg was developed under Petrino, so saying he should come because Arkansas turned his brother into a pro is somewhat irrelevant. Yes, it shows you can go pro while attending Arkansas, but the coaches who turned him pro are no longer on campus.

[870hogfan]

I understand what you are saying, but you are acting as if the school alone will develop him regardless of the coach. Gragg was developed under Petrino, so saying he should come because Arkansas turned his brother into a pro is somewhat irrelevant. Yes, it shows you can go pro while attending Arkansas, but the coaches who turned him pro are no longer on campus.

Gragg should look at Coach Bielema history of getting tight ends drafted in the NFL. Hunter Henry will be the next one.

[redeye]

I understand what you are saying, but you are acting as if the school alone will develop him regardless of the coach. Gragg was developed under Petrino, so saying he should come because Arkansas turned his brother into a pro is somewhat irrelevant. Yes, it shows you can go pro while attending Arkansas, but the coaches who turned him pro are no longer on campus.

I think it also says something for the school.  Stacy Lewis recently credited the school, NWA and the people up there for her success, but I don't think she ever mentioned her coach, specifically.

The way I see it, the only way to tell which class is better is if Gragg and Hill sign with Arkansas, because it doesn't matter what they do anywhere else.  Gragg may have been all-word at Boise, or rode the bench his entire career at Florida, but neither of those are Arkansas.  If this class ever ranks in the top-5 and competes for national titles, then we'll have a legitimate debate.

[SemperFi]

I think it also says something for the school.  Stacy Lewis recently credited the school, NWA and the people up there for her success, but I don't think she ever mentioned her coach, specifically.

The way I see it, the only way to tell which class is better is if Gragg and Hill sign with Arkansas, because it doesn't matter what they do anywhere else.  Gragg may have been all-word at Boise, or rode the bench his entire career at Florida, but neither of those are Arkansas.  If this class ever ranks in the top-5 and competes for national titles, then we'll have a legitimate debate.

Agreed! Should Gragg and Hill become Hogs and I believe that they will, what will truly matter to Razorback Nation is what these two young men do in a Razorback uniform, not what they do for one of our rivals. They will be forgotten and shunned by an entire state despite any success or failure at the next level. That's just the way life is when it comes to the world of sports. On game day Alabama becomes the enemy and our beloved Razorbacks God's own army....err, Marine Corps.

Both of these incredible athlete's have the potential to be impact Players for the Hogs. The Coaching staff has made their pitch and the fanbase their voices heard. Hopefully, we'll be celebrating these two young men as Razorbacks in the very near future. WPS!

[Steef]

Not to derail the thread, but I have read on a couple different occasions, Stacy discussing that she has brought her former UA coach to different tournaments for professional (putting was mentioned) advice.

[secneahog]

Interesting debate for sure. This class will have a ways to go to match the productivity and success of the Gragg, J. Wright, Childs, Adams, and D.J. class.

D.j was a HDN recruit.

[MP24]

Johnson was recruited from Arkansas (Texarkana, AR) class of 2008. He committed to Arkansas on 1/14/2008. He was recruited by Tim Horton .

http://247sports.com/Player/Dennis-Johnson-14096?Institution=24097

Bobby hired 12/07

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/30676/bobby-petrino-timeline-at-arkansas?page=all

Not that it matters

[redeye]

Not to derail the thread, but I have read on a couple different occasions, Stacy discussing that she has brought her former UA coach to different tournaments for professional (putting was mentioned) advice.

I don't doubt that.  My point was merely that she also credits the school.

[PonderinHog]

D.j was a HDN recruit.

Dennis Johnson or D. J. Williams?

[Wildhog]

D.j was a HDN recruit.

Pretty sure he was a BP recruit.  I remember us offering late.

[ldfergu]

Clearly

It seemed like the first couple posts thought it was referring to the class Arkansas was putting together...

[Razorback_Mack]

Interesting debate for sure. This class will have a ways to go to match the productivity and success of the Gragg, J. Wright, Childs, Adams, and D.J. class.

Don't forget about Tyler.

[MP24]

Don't forget about Tyler.

2008 was a deep class in Arkansas.

http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=AR

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=AR

[Corkscrew Johnson]

Pretty sure he was a BP recruit.  I remember us offering late.

Yeah, didn't CBP pull the offer from the Thomas kid from San Antonio and then offer to DJ?

[ricepig]

Dennis Johnson or D. J. Williams?

I think he was talking about D.J.Williams.

[Fort Dweller]

Yeah, didn't CBP pull the offer from the Thomas kid from San Antonio and then offer to DJ?

Correct.  I think the Thomas thing was mutual.  I remember him spouting off about how great OM was right after HDN was named coach.

[Wildhog]

Correct.  I think the Thomas thing was mutual.  I remember him spouting off about how great OM was right after HDN was named coach.

This.  Plus, I think he got injured and never played.  Could be wrong on that, though.  It's been a while.

[The_Iceman]

2008 was a deep class in Arkansas.

http://247sports.com/Season/2008-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=AR

http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool&State=AR

Bigger 5-star in-state flop: Curtis or Winston?

[MP24]

I think he was talking about D.J.Williams.

I think D.J.Williams was class of 2007.

[ricepig]

I think D.J.Williams was class of 2007.

Thus a Nutt commit.

[redeye]

Bigger 5-star in-state flop: Curtis or Winston?

I don't know how 247 ranks players before it existed, but it's funny how they show Curtis, Wilson and Wright as 5-star players.  That may be because they show them all as their #1 player, which obviously makes no sense.  I don't even recall any of them receiving 5-stars from any of the big services back then and I'm pretty sure none were considered the #1 player in the nation.  I'm also pretty sure that Arkansas has never signed three 5-star players before.

[MP24]

Thus a Nutt commit.

That is true, I thought Gragg was comparing 2008 to 2015.

Spook ‏@W_Gragg7
Mane Chris talkin bout they '08 recruiting class was better than our '15 recruiting class! I beg to differ.

[CallThoseHawgs]

I don't know how 247 ranks players before it existed, but it's funny how they show Curtis, Wilson and Wright as 5-star players.  That may be because they show them all as their #1 player, which obviously makes no sense.  I don't even recall any of them receiving 5-stars from any of the big services back then and I'm pretty sure none were considered the #1 player in the nation.  I'm also pretty sure that Arkansas has never signed three 5-star players before.

Curtis was a 5 star recruit. Pretty sure he played in UnderArmour game. Big time bust, I don't believe the other two were 5 stars tho.

[Fort Dweller]

Curtis was a 5 star recruit. Pretty sure he played in UnderArmour game. Big time bust, I don't believe the other two were 5 stars tho.

Curtis was a 4* on both Rivals and Scout.

https://rivals.yahoo.com/arkansas/football/recruiting/player-De'Anthony-Curtis-61170;_ylt=AvCdgujt7IHiUkKJ.saHCJ7zq5B4

http://arkansas.scout.com/a.z?s=10&p=8&c=1&nid=2993238

I don't believe 247 was around then.

[ldfergu]

I thought Gragg was comparing 2008 to 2015.

Spook ‏@W_Gragg7

Yes, he's comparing the in state talent.  Not the class the Univ of Arkansas will have.  At least that's how I took it

[ricepig]

That is true, I thought Gragg was comparing 2008 to 2015.

Spook ‏@W_Gragg7
Mane Chris talkin bout they '08 recruiting class was better than our '15 recruiting class! I beg to differ.

I thought the poster was referring to Williams, I guess he can tell us.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Geez good point poster with the cardinals avatar.

Guess it's safe to assume that I'm the only Marlins fan here huh

[Wildhog]

I thought the poster was referring to Williams, I guess he can tell us.

I just assumed Johnson, because he said 2008 class. 

[COCHISE]

I just assumed Johnson, because he said 2008 class. 

Correct

[ChicoHog]

Any worry with Cantrell and O'Grady committed that the TE class may be too crowded for Gragg?  I know we use a lot of TEs but he may think 3 in one class is too many.  I hope not. 

[pondwater jack]

No.  All three are Huge Gets.... That is not something i just throw out there either...Huge.

[Jacob "2 Scoops" Johnson]

No.  All three are Huge Gets.... That is not something i just throw out there either...Huge.

Does 3 huge gets = 1 enormous get? Hate to get too carried away here, you're the expert Jack. Look forward to your response.

[pondwater jack]

Does 3 huge gets = 1 enormous get? Hate to get too carried away here, you're the expert Jack. Look forward to your response.

as i sit here in central arkansas waitin for the storm 2 pass.....polishing off these scattered smothered covered chunked slapped and robbed (my own special recipe they make for me) i am considering your question.   id say that the first two are huge gets....and depending on how much we use a 3 tide end set all three could "huge gets" especially in terms of future recruits. Now if the order was reversed im inclined to say "huge huge big"  i hope that squares a few things for some of you
Pwj

[Jacob "2 Scoops" Johnson]

as i sit here in central arkansas waitin for the storm 2 pass.....polishing off these scattered smothered covered chunked slapped and robbed (my own special recipe they make for me) i am considering your question.   id say that the first two are huge gets....and depending on how much we use a 3 tide end set all three could "huge gets" especially in terms of future recruits. Now if the order was reversed im inclined to say "huge huge big"  i hope that squares a few things for some of you
Pwj

Thanks Jack. That reply meant a huge amount to me. And I don't say that lightly. Thank you for putting this into perspective for a novice like myself.

Edit: is the term "tide end" code for you hinting at where William ends up? I'm hoping this was a simple case of finger fudgery. Thanks in advance.

[pondwater jack]

No. I dont think hell go there. No reason or gout. Just a gut feeling. Let me put it to you this way. If sec was a waffle house. ...like the one i am in now.... Just soppin up sirup with this waffle... Swabbing the deck and watching these professionals work... If this was the sec....a guy like gragg wants to cook...not dish and clean.  at arkansas hes slingin choff... At bama hes got his hair up in a net with three other TEs bustin tables and calling orders. "2 over medium... And toast....ham.....coffee black!" "1 omlet... Drag it thru the garden!"  somebody else gets the glory....pwj

[go hogues]

D.j was a HDN recruit.

Gragg, Childs and Wright were too.

Tyler, Joe and Dennis Johnson would not have been Hogs had HDN stayed on staff.

[Jacob "2 Scoops" Johnson]

No. I dont think hell go there. No reason or gout. Just a gut feeling. Let me put it to you this way. If sec was a waffle house. ...like the one i am in now.... Just soppin up sirup with this waffle... Swabbing the deck and watching these professionals work... If this was the sec....a guy like gragg wants to cook...not dish and clean.  at arkansas hes slingin choff... At bama hes got his hair up in a net with three other TEs bustin tables and calling orders. "2 over medium... And toast....ham.....coffee black!" "1 omlet... Drag it thru the garden!"  somebody else gets the glory....pwj

I couldn't have said it better myself. I've seen many Waffle House cooks in my day regret that they weren't out delivering the all star breakfast to customers who cheer and worship the heralded server handing them the one thing that cures them of their previous night of throat swabbing moonshine and racing high powered mowers. Gragg ain't no cook, that's for sure.

Thanks for taking the time to breaking it down to simple mans terms for me, Jack. Great stuff.

[SemperFi]

No. I dont think hell go there. No reason or gout. Just a gut feeling. Let me put it to you this way. If sec was a waffle house. ...like the one i am in now.... Just soppin up sirup with this waffle... Swabbing the deck and watching these professionals work... If this was the sec....a guy like gragg wants to cook...not dish and clean.  at arkansas hes slingin choff... At bama hes got his hair up in a net with three other TEs bustin tables and calling orders. "2 over medium... And toast....ham.....coffee black!" "1 omlet... Drag it thru the garden!"  somebody else gets the glory....pwj

Your intellect is definitely dizzying. I get what you're saying, which I guess that means that I'm every bit as "jacked" up as you (pun intended).