Derek fisher hall of famer?

[pillowhog]

These idiots on the radio are arguing with Matt Jones that Fisher should be a hall of famer.  One of dumbest things I've heard

[Hawg Red]

People have made the same argument for Robert Horry.

[pillowhog]

Great role players aren't hall of famers

[Hawg Red]

Great role players aren't hall of famers

Nope.

Can't even bring someone up if they never made even one All-Star game.

[pillowhog]

Yea good point

[root_hawg]

No

[Hogwop]

 I like Fisher plenty, and he's definitely had his big moments, but if Sidney Moncrief and Alvin Robertson aren't in there, no way. Even if/when they do get in, there's still no way Fisher belongs in the HOF.

[jusgtohogs]

Maybe the Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame, but that's it....

[HogFaninMemphis]

People have made the same argument for Robert Horry.

Yeah the case for Robert Horry is similar to James Worthy's: really good player who was great in the playoffs. The difference is James Worthy was a whole lot better than Horry. Horry is a whole lot better than Derek Fisher and he will never make it. We can't just let in every player who won a few titles...that's why half the Yankees from 1925-1955 are in the HOF and now it's kind of embarrassing to the MLB...

[rzrbackramsfan]

These idiots on the radio are arguing with Matt Jones that Fisher should be a hall of famer.  One of dumbest things I've heard

I don't think he should make it as a player.

[TomasPistola]

Nope. Not even close.

[johnfanman]

Fisher will belong in the Hall of Fame if he does well in coaching, such as win a NBA Championship. That combined with his playing career would give him a good argument. At least I think it would.

[ErieHog]

Nope. Not even close.

This.   C'mon, man.

[Hawg Red]

Fisher will belong in the Hall of Fame if he does well in coaching, such as win a NBA Championship. That combined with his playing career would give him a good argument. At least I think it would.

I'm not completely sure how it works, but I don't think you can get in by combining success as a player and coach. For example, Lenny Wilkins is in the HOF twice -- once a s player and once as a coach. I think they separate the two.

[Sed76]

I am a huge Derek Fisher fan and don't think he is HOF material as a player.

[rzrbackramsfan]

Id like my chances in one on one.

[bruisemeister]

Id like my chances in one on one.

Love Fish but if he goes, so does Ron Harper, Danny Ainge, B.J. Armstrong, Toni Kucok, John Paxson and Gerald Henderson. Its true that the Victor gets the spoils. A good player from a championship team gets in before a star without a ring. However, that really doesn't stretch out to role players. Someone gave the example of James Worthy. Same goes for Scottie Pippen.They would have been an Star for someone like the Cavaliers or Nets but not considered for the Hall of Fame. . However, playing for championship teams enhanced their Hall of Fame chances.

[dhornjr1]

Love Fish but if he goes, so does Ron Harper, Danny Ainge, B.J. Armstrong, Toni Kucok, John Paxson and Gerald Henderson. Its true that the Victor gets the spoils. A good player from a championship team gets in before a star without a ring. However, that really doesn't stretch out to role players. Someone gave the example of James Worthy. Same goes for Scottie Pippen.They would have been an Star for someone like the Cavaliers or Nets but not considered for the Hall of Fame. . However, playing for championship teams enhanced their Hall of Fame chances.

No, Fisher doesn't belong in the Hall. But, you think James Worthy and Scottie Pippen wouldn't be Hall of Famers if they hadn't played on championship teams? Both were seven time all stars. Does Kevin McHale fall into that category as well? Clyde Drexler? What about David Robinson? He couldn't win a title until Tim Duncan dragged him across the finish line.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys were never on bad teams because they were Hall of Fame caliber players who were integral to their teams' success.

[Dr. Starcs]

Robinson wasnt dragged across any finish line. He was on the 99 and 03 title winning teams. Did Duncan carry the load? Absolutely. But Robinson was still playing at a high level both those seasons and the ones in between.

[husker71]

If anybody on this board thinks they could beat a NBA player think again.  Tim Legler was asked in an interview about that sort of thing.  Said it happens all the time like a oldtime gunslinger coming to town.  He says he was retired for years and a bellhop at one of his regular stops was on him everytime he checked in so finally he agreed.  In front of the bellhops friends he smoked him bad like 11 to 1 or 2.  He had been retired for years DF has been retired for a few weeks and DF would have a lot of tricks in his pocket IMHO.

[hawkhawg]

No, Fisher doesn't belong in the Hall. But, you think James Worthy and Scottie Pippen wouldn't be Hall of Famers if they hadn't played on championship teams? Both were seven time all stars. Does Kevin McHale fall into that category as well? Clyde Drexler? What about David Robinson? He couldn't win a title until Tim Duncan dragged him across the finish line.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys were never on bad teams because they were Hall of Fame caliber players who were integral to their teams' success.

I don't get why so many here don't think Pippen is great. Pippen is almost universally considered an all-time great. Most consider him in top five at his position. We don't have to belittle Pippen just because Moncrief does not get the respect he deserves. 

[HogFaninMemphis]

I don't get why so many here don't think Pippen is great. Pippen is almost universally considered an all-time great. Most consider him in top five at his position. We don't have to belittle Pippen just because Moncrief does not get the respect he deserves. 

Pippen was one of the best all-around players of all time...I completely agree with you.

[BigSexyHog]

Not even close

[bruisemeister]

No, Fisher doesn't belong in the Hall. But, you think James Worthy and Scottie Pippen wouldn't be Hall of Famers if they hadn't played on championship teams? Both were seven time all stars. Does Kevin McHale fall into that category as well? Clyde Drexler? What about David Robinson? He couldn't win a title until Tim Duncan dragged him across the finish line.

Maybe, just maybe, these guys were never on bad teams because they were Hall of Fame caliber players who were integral to their teams' success.

I stand by what I said. Pippen and Worthy are Joe Johnsons, Chris Mullins and Mitch Richmonds without the rings. Robinson was an exception. He was one of the top players despite the title. He was more in the Karl Malone, Charles Barkely mode.
Yes McHale falls in that category as well.  So does Robert Parish. Parish played several years for Golden State before he went to the Celtics. He wasn't even an All Star. He didn't do anything different at Boston except play for a better team.

[bruisemeister]

I don't get why so many here don't think Pippen is great. Pippen is almost universally considered an all-time great. Most consider him in top five at his position. We don't have to belittle Pippen just because Moncrief does not get the respect he deserves.

I loved Pippen. I went to UCA when he played for them and was his biggest fan. Top 5 at his position ever? I don't think so. Larry Bird, Dr. J., Rick Barry, Elgin Baylor, Lebron James. Theres 5 already. He was good but he wouldn't have been noticed had he played for an average or losing team. He was not a 30 point scoring type. To be honest, those type of players don't even go to the Hall without a ring. Ask Alex English, Kiki Vandeweghe and Adrian Dantley.

[bruisemeister]

Robinson wasnt dragged across any finish line. He was on the 99 and 03 title winning teams. Did Duncan carry the load? Absolutely. But Robinson was still playing at a high level both those seasons and the ones in between.

What Robinson did on those teams was adjust his game for the good of winning. Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robinson and Dr. J did that on championship teams in their later years. For instance, Wilt went from being the premier scorer in the league to leading the league in assists with the Lakers. Robinson's stats went down. He even moved to Power Foward. He could had stayed at center and averaged 25pts 12 rb a game but he didnt have to with Duncan there. He was more of a complimentary player. Thats why they win titles.

[dhornjr1]

I stand by what I said. Pippen and Worthy are Joe Johnsons, Chris Mullins and Mitch Richmonds without the rings. Robinson was an exception. He was one of the top players despite the title. He was more in the Karl Malone, Charles Barkely mode.
Yes McHale falls in that category as well.  So does Robert Parish. Parish played several years for Golden State before he went to the Celtics. He wasn't even an All Star. He didn't do anything different at Boston except play for a better team.

Fair enough. We'll just have.to agree to disagree.

What's your opinion of Chris Bosh and the Hall?

[ifghog]

I loved Pippen. I went to UCA when he played for them and was his biggest fan. Top 5 at his position ever? I don't think so. Larry Bird, Dr. J., Rick Barry, Elgin Baylor, Lebron James. Theres 5 already. He was good but he wouldn't have been noticed had he played for an average or losing team. He was not a 30 point scoring type. To be honest, those type of players don't even go to the Hall without a ring. Ask Alex English, Kiki Vandeweghe and Adrian Dantley.
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I loved Pippen. I went to UCA when he played for them and was his biggest fan. Top 5 at his position ever? I don't think so. Larry Bird, Dr. J., Rick Barry, Elgin Baylor, Lebron James. Theres 5 already. He was good but he wouldn't have been noticed had he played for an average or losing team. He was not a 30 point scoring type. To be honest, those type of players don't even go to the Hall without a ring. Ask Alex English, Kiki Vandeweghe and Adrian Dantley.

Dude you are way off. Pippen is considered one of the best ever, not just position. To be quite honest Dr. J, Rick Barry or Elgin Baylor weren't better than him. Pippen was kind of a prick but at the end of the day he was one of the all-time greats.

[ifghog]

As far as Fish goes he shouldn't get in but he is one of my all-time favs!

[ErieHog]

Dude you are way off. Pippen is considered one of the best ever, not just position. To be quite honest Dr. J, Rick Barry or Elgin Baylor weren't better than him. Pippen was kind of a prick but at the end of the day he was one of the all-time greats.

Dr J, no;  Elgin is a borderline Top 15 guy in League history.   Barry and Pippen are both in that 20-40 range, dependent on preference.

[pigture perfect]

Fish should get some award of some kind for putting up with Kobe's crap all those years. I honestly don't believe Kobe wins any rings without Fish. IMO. He won't get into the HOF because of it though.

[hawkhawg]

Fish should get some award of some kind for putting up with Kobe's crap all those years. I honestly don't believe Kobe wins any rings without Fish. IMO. He won't get into the HOF because of it though.

He has millions of "awards" for putting up with Kobe.

[ifghog]

Dr J, no;  Elgin is a borderline Top 15 guy in League history.   Barry and Pippen are both in that 20-40 range, dependent on preference.

Fair enough..