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husker71

June 25, 2014, 03:38:09 pm
I would amnesty Kobe and use that 31.8 Million on a combination of players.  The only player I want on that team is Gasol.  With the 31.8 you could get Deng and LeBron (this is just spitballing guys) and maybe Ariza or Afallo.  Trade the 7 pick for Eric Bledsoe and then start on the bench.  If you go to NBA free agents you see a lot of older players who can shoot and even if you have to go over the cap a little it may be worth it.  In reality you are trading a washed up Kobe for LeBron and Deng which if presented like that I think you would do everytime.  I am not one of those who believe in being sentimental about Kobe and that they owe him something.

latrops

June 25, 2014, 08:33:43 pm #1
Maybe they should, but is there any indication whatsoever that it is even being considered?  They just gave him a new deal last November. 
 

rolyat_2008

June 25, 2014, 08:52:59 pm #2
can't amnesty a player you gave a new deal

only old deals before the new CBA

Boston RedHogs

June 25, 2014, 08:57:12 pm #3
The Lakers are in deep with Kobe.  For long term success, they need to accept a rebuild process and avoid saddling themselves with too many big contracts, because even when it does work, it's not overnight (except the '08 Celts who had the best turnaround ever) and usually takes a minimum of 2 seasons to build to a championship.  Kobe doesn't have that kind of time...

forrest city joe

June 26, 2014, 08:38:55 am #4
Quote from: husker71 on June 25, 2014, 03:38:09 pm
I would amnesty Kobe and use that 31.8 Million on a combination of players.  The only player I want on that team is Gasol.  With the 31.8 you could get Deng and LeBron (this is just spitballing guys) and maybe Ariza or Afallo.  Trade the 7 pick for Eric Bledsoe and then start on the bench.  If you go to NBA free agents you see a lot of older players who can shoot and even if you have to go over the cap a little it may be worth it.  In reality you are trading a washed up Kobe for LeBron and Deng which if presented like that I think you would do everytime.  I am not one of those who believe in being sentimental about Kobe and that they owe him something.
Kobe is washed up. he's played almost 20 years in the NBA. plus he's been hurt. he is no Time Duncan. Duncan is the greatest champion of his era. better than Kobe and Shaq.

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 09:05:34 am #5
Yeah, Kobe can't be amnestied.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The_Iceman

June 26, 2014, 09:17:41 am #6
Offer the #7 pick and Kendal Marshall to the Celtics for Rondo.

Lakers:
Rondo
Kobe
FA Small Forward
Jordan Hill
Chris Kaman

Celtics:
Kendall Marshall
Marcus Smart
Jeff Green
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
6th: Avery Bradley
7th: Jared Sullinger

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 09:19:23 am #7
Quote from: The_Iceman on June 26, 2014, 09:17:41 am
Offer the #7 pick and Kendal Marshall to the Celtics for Rondo.

Lakers:
Rondo
Kobe
FA Small Forward
Jordan Hill
Chris Kaman

Celtics:
Kendall Marshall
Marcus Smart
Jeff Green
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
6th: Avery Bradley
7th: Jared Sullinger


I don't see the Celtics taking that deal.   They need more for Rondo than that--  if there's no Kevin Love to be brought in, they're going to build around a Rondo-Avery backcourt for next year, to stabilize the team's transition to the next era, then deal Rondo when he's expiring.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The_Iceman

June 26, 2014, 09:32:48 am #8
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 09:19:23 am
I don't see the Celtics taking that deal.   They need more for Rondo than that--  if there's no Kevin Love to be brought in, they're going to build around a Rondo-Avery backcourt for next year, to stabilize the team's transition to the next era, then deal Rondo when he's expiring.

Rondo (age 28): 11.7 ppg, 9.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 stls

Marshall (age 22): 8.0 ppg, 8.8 apg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 stls

Plus, factor in the production of the #7 pick. Its not as far off as you think. Marshall is a pretty good young player.

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 09:50:22 am #9
Quote from: The_Iceman on June 26, 2014, 09:32:48 am
Rondo (age 28): 11.7 ppg, 9.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.3 stls

Marshall (age 22): 8.0 ppg, 8.8 apg, 2.9 rpg, 0.9 stls

Plus, factor in the production of the #7 pick. Its not as far off as you think. Marshall is a pretty good young player.

I think you are seriously undervaluing Rondo.     Marshall *may* be a solid rotation player, but he's not moving the needle.      You need a point guard you can trust to be tough as nails in the biggest moments-- and Rondo has that.


No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Boston RedHogs

June 26, 2014, 10:19:27 am #10
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 09:50:22 am
I think you are seriously undervaluing Rondo.     Marshall *may* be a solid rotation player, but he's not moving the needle.      You need a point guard you can trust to be tough as nails in the biggest moments-- and Rondo has that.


^^^This.  Rondo, when not being solely relied on and surrounded with decent talent, is a triple-double waiting to happen.

He might not be the best scoring PG in the league, but he's definitely one of the top 2 floor general PGs in the league...

HawgAdvocate

June 26, 2014, 11:20:32 am #11
Quote from: Boston RedHogs on June 26, 2014, 10:19:27 am
He might not be the best scoring PG in the league, but he's definitely one of the top 2 floor general PGs in the league...

Definitely? I think Parker, Paul, and Rose would definitely disagree.
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ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 11:42:49 am #12
Quote from: HawgAdvocate on June 26, 2014, 11:20:32 am
Definitely? I think Parker, Paul, and Rose would definitely disagree.

I'd be hard pressed to not put him with that group.   Right now is a great time for PGs in the league, but Rondo belongs in the edge of that conversation.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

husker71

June 26, 2014, 11:48:56 am #13
rondo to kings for #8 pick and then use #6 on Embid and #8 on Smart or Payton.  By the way I think there are going to be a lot of trades tonight (but I hope for that every year)   Just reported by Windhorst that Pelicans are trying to move Rivers.   IMHO Felton went to Dallas because Knicks wanted to get rid of that contract and him.  Don't think he will stay.  Can the Lakers amnesty Nash and his $9.75 M off the books ????

HawgAdvocate

June 26, 2014, 12:13:38 pm #14
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 11:42:49 am
I'd be hard pressed to not put him with that group.   Right now is a great time for PGs in the league, but Rondo belongs in the edge of that conversation.

Certainly. Irving, Lillard, Westbrook ...so many good ones in play (injuries aside). There's just no way I could put Rondo in the top two.
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ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 12:25:30 pm #15
Quote from: HawgAdvocate on June 26, 2014, 12:13:38 pm
Certainly. Irving, Lillard, Westbrook ...so many good ones in play (injuries aside). There's just no way I could put Rondo in the top two.

Irving and Lillard are a clear step back from the Top 5, to me.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 12:28:55 pm #16
Quote from: husker71 on June 26, 2014, 11:48:56 am
rondo to kings for #8 pick and then use #6 on Embid and #8 on Smart or Payton.  By the way I think there are going to be a lot of trades tonight (but I hope for that every year)   Just reported by Windhorst that Pelicans are trying to move Rivers.   IMHO Felton went to Dallas because Knicks wanted to get rid of that contract and him.  Don't think he will stay.  Can the Lakers amnesty Nash and his $9.75 M off the books ????

Embiid is not likely to still be on the board at 6, unless the bone density tests show he's made out of cotton candy and duct tape.

The Lakers are hoping that they can get Nash to retire; they already used their amnesty provision on Metta World Peace.

The Knicks-Mavs trade is NY admitting they are going to bottom out, and fix a really messed up roster.   They're essentially saying they don't expect to be competitive until 2017.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The_Iceman

June 26, 2014, 01:03:55 pm #17
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 12:28:55 pm
The Knicks-Mavs trade is NY admitting they are going to bottom out, and fix a really messed up roster.   They're essentially saying they don't expect to be competitive until 2017.

Knicks
Samuel Dalembert: 6.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.2 blks
Jose Calderon: 11.4 ppg, 45% 3pt, 4.7 apg
Wayne Ellington: 3.2 ppg, 8.7 mins/per, 42% 3-pt
Shane Larkin: good young PG prospect
34th and 51st pick in Draft

Mavericks
Tyson Chandler: 8.7 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.1 blks
Raymond Felton: 9.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 1.2 stls (recently arrested)

I think this is a good deal for both teams. The Mavs really needed Chandler back on the front line with Dirk. Felton replaces Calderon, but I don't think that is an upgrade. Also, the two picks the Knicks got may end up being pretty good pieces.

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 01:04:53 pm #18
Quote from: The_Iceman on June 26, 2014, 01:03:55 pm
Knicks
Samuel Dalembert: 6.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.2 blks
Jose Calderon: 11.4 ppg, 45% 3pt, 4.7 apg
Wayne Ellington: 3.2 ppg, 8.7 mins/per, 42% 3-pt
Shane Larkin: good young PG prospect
34th and 51st pick in Draft

Mavericks
Tyson Chandler: 8.7 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 1.1 blks
Raymond Felton: 9.7 ppg, 5.6 apg, 1.2 stls (recently arrested)

I think this is a good deal for both teams. The Mavs really needed Chandler back on the front line with Dirk. Felton replaces Calderon, but I don't think that is an upgrade. Also, the two picks the Knicks got may end up being pretty good pieces.

This is a good deal for the 2017 Knicks, and the 2014-2015 Mavs.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The_Iceman

June 26, 2014, 01:06:34 pm #19
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 01:04:53 pm
This is a good deal for the 2017 Knicks, and the 2014-2015 Mavs.

I agree that the Knicks roster is bottomed out and they aren't close to being competitive, but that was the case before this trade and the trade didn't change that any.

Even if the Knicks brought back Melo, the contracts of Amar'e and Bargnani are killing the Knicks ability to make any moves this offseason.

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 01:10:05 pm #20
Quote from: The_Iceman on June 26, 2014, 01:06:34 pm
I agree that the Knicks roster is bottomed out and they aren't close to being competitive, but that was the case before this trade and the trade didn't change that any.

Even if the Knicks brought back Melo, the contracts of Amar'e and Bargnani are killing the Knicks ability to make any moves this offseason.

There is a massive problem with any roster that pays all 5 starters more than $10 million a year, but that wins 37 games in arguably the weakest Eastern Conference ever.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The_Iceman

June 26, 2014, 01:14:30 pm #21
Quote from: ErieHog on June 26, 2014, 01:10:05 pm
There is a massive problem with any roster that pays all 5 starters more than $10 million a year, but that wins 37 games in arguably the weakest Eastern Conference ever.

Team chemistry was awful. I like a Knicks backcourt of Calderon and Hardaway Jr. much better than Felton and Shumpert. I'm hearing Shumpert to the Thunder for one of their first round picks is still a possibility.

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 01:15:43 pm #22
Quote from: The_Iceman on June 26, 2014, 01:14:30 pm
Team chemistry was awful. I like a Knicks backcourt of Calderon and Hardaway Jr. much better than Felton and Shumpert. I'm hearing Shumpert to the Thunder for one of their first round picks is still a possibility.

Calteron at least offers them some outstanding perimeter shooting, to go with the standard terrible Knicks defense.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

husker71

June 26, 2014, 05:59:46 pm #23
Is anybody sure that Jackson (who I really like ) will be a good Gm??  I am not positive.  If you listened to Windhorst today they were talking about guys (not players) getting in NBA jobs in the office.  He said every year there are many many guys at the NBA meetings who are analytical freaks trying to catch on with a team.  He said they rarely get hired.  He said instead a guy should download the CBA book and become an expert in the salary cap.  He said if you were really into that and knew all the loopholes you would have a good chance to be hired.
 

ErieHog

June 26, 2014, 07:07:18 pm #24
Quote from: husker71 on June 26, 2014, 05:59:46 pm
Is anybody sure that Jackson (who I really like ) will be a good Gm??  I am not positive.  If you listened to Windhorst today they were talking about guys (not players) getting in NBA jobs in the office.  He said every year there are many many guys at the NBA meetings who are analytical freaks trying to catch on with a team.  He said they rarely get hired.  He said instead a guy should download the CBA book and become an expert in the salary cap.  He said if you were really into that and knew all the loopholes you would have a good chance to be hired.

He certainly seems to have identified the right process for the Knicks; collect assets and shed overpaid, older guys.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

popcornhog

June 26, 2014, 07:31:32 pm #25
Quote from: HawgAdvocate on June 26, 2014, 11:20:32 am
Definitely? I think Parker, Paul, and Rose would definitely disagree.

I don't know man. If I already had a couple of other studs and some good shooters in the supporting cast, I'd take Rondo over any of them except CP3.
WPS

Boston RedHogs

June 26, 2014, 09:32:03 pm #26
Quote from: HawgAdvocate on June 26, 2014, 11:20:32 am
Definitely? I think Parker, Paul, and Rose would definitely disagree.


I stand by my statement and we will agree to disagree..

Arazorbackguy1

June 26, 2014, 09:48:55 pm #27
They need Pat Beverly and Joe Johnson
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Hogimus Prime

June 27, 2014, 03:19:25 pm #28
I wouldn't have signed Kobe to that big of a contract at his age.

husker71

June 27, 2014, 05:28:05 pm #29
I think Kobe kind of held them hostage and before you say no one held a gun to their heads let me remind you that owner Jimmy Buss is not exactly a profile in courage.  You don't see West around there but I think Kupchak did a nice job in the draft.

ErieHog

June 27, 2014, 05:36:48 pm #30
Quote from: husker71 on June 27, 2014, 05:28:05 pm
I think Kobe kind of held them hostage and before you say no one held a gun to their heads let me remind you that owner Jimmy Buss is not exactly a profile in courage.  You don't see West around there but I think Kupchak did a nice job in the draft.

That would be because Jerry West is a minority owner and consultant with the Golden State Warriors.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

husker71

July 02, 2014, 06:41:53 pm #31
I know that West is a minority owner with the Warriors but after he turned around Memphis and has done wonders with the Warriors.

husker71

July 02, 2014, 09:14:46 pm #32
Simmons and Lowe were talking about the Lakers getting Lance Stephenson  so they would start Kobe Randle Lance and Gasol and whoever at point guard.  I don't think Kobe will play well and even if he does without a point guard and not much of a bench they would finish 7th or so in the West.  I think Kobe is going to be like the last days of Elgin Baylor until he retired except this Laker team wont win 33 in a row and win the championship.

ErieHog

July 02, 2014, 09:55:39 pm #33
Quote from: husker71 on July 02, 2014, 09:14:46 pm
Simmons and Lowe were talking about the Lakers getting Lance Stephenson  so they would start Kobe Randle Lance and Gasol and whoever at point guard.  I don't think Kobe will play well and even if he does without a point guard and not much of a bench they would finish 7th or so in the West.  I think Kobe is going to be like the last days of Elgin Baylor until he retired except this Laker team wont win 33 in a row and win the championship.

Gasol isn't resigning in Los Angeles; he has opportunities to play for contenders, and away from Kobe.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

1highhog

July 05, 2014, 02:54:41 am #34
Quote from: Hogimus Prime on June 27, 2014, 03:19:25 pm
I wouldn't have signed Kobe to that big of a contract at his age.

It was a dumb move for sure.  But the Lakers have been making dumb moves for years, and it's cost them several Championships.  They've coddled Kobe since he's been there, run off Shaq because of Kobe, dumb, dumb management.

Break & Run

July 06, 2014, 09:48:02 am #35
I really hate that Dallas traded away Shane Larkin.  He showed signs of brilliance at times this year.  Plus, he was fun as heck to watch at Miami and in Dallas.

Glad they got Chandler back, though.
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1highhog

July 06, 2014, 06:39:42 pm #36
I think if any team in the West had the money to sign Lebron it should be Houston.  I think Houston would automatically be title ready with Lebron, Harden, Beverley, Howard, Daniels, and Jones.  They have a good bench, and if Lebron could get on Howard's ass about missing so many Ft's, wait, Lebron needs to work on that part of his game himself, but that would be a dangerous team.

husker71

July 06, 2014, 08:06:40 pm #37
I saw on grantland where Lakers are still paying John Salley, Mitch Richmond, Karl Malone and Brian Shaw among others in those extended contracts.  Instead of paying in one year the player agreed to extend the payments into the next many years from what I understand.

McKdaddy

July 08, 2014, 04:22:39 pm #38
Gasol would be a nice complimentary piece for a lot of teams, but okc ....

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11191669/oklahoma-city-thunder-scott-brooks-meets-pau-gasol
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dhornjr1

July 10, 2014, 07:15:53 am #39
Quote from: husker71 on July 06, 2014, 08:06:40 pm
I saw on grantland where Lakers are still paying John Salley, Mitch Richmond, Karl Malone and Brian Shaw among others in those extended contracts.  Instead of paying in one year the player agreed to extend the payments into the next many years from what I understand.

They're not actually paying them. The Lakers just never bothered to renounce their rights after they retired.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/06/what-carmelo-anthony-signing-with-the-lakers-would-mean-for-karl-malone-brian-shaw-and-john-salley/

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What Carmelo Anthony signing with the Lakers would mean for Karl Malone, Brian Shaw and John Salley

Dan Feldman

Jul 6, 2014, 12:30 PM EDT

With Chris Kaman headed to the Trail Blazers and Jodie Meeks to the Pistons, I projected the Lakers to be $23,998,667 over the salary cap.

So, how is Los Angeles in the race for Carmelo Anthony?

Free agents continue to count against the salary cap until they sign – either with their current team or elsewhere – or until they're renounced. Beyond their four players under contract (Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, Robert Sacre and Kendall Marshall) and first-round pick (Julius Randle), the Lakers have 21 free agents counting against the cap.*

*Technically 23 including Kaman and Meeks, but those two are good as gone.

Among those 21, according to ShamSports.com, are:

    Andrew Goudelock (last played in 2013)
    Theo Ratliff (2011)
    Joe Smith (2011)
    Ira Newble (2008)
    Shammond Williams (2007)
    Jim Jackson (2006)
    Karl Malone (2004)
    Horace Grant (2004)
    Brian Shaw (2003)
    Mitch Richmond (2002)
    Ron Harper (2001)
    John Salley (2000)

That list includes two Hall of Famers (Malone and the elected-but-not-yet-inducted Richmond), a TV personality (Salley) and the head coach of the Denver Nuggets (Shaw).

In total, those 12 count nearly $15 million against the cap – though when the time comes, the Lakers will simply renounce them. It's an effortless step.

So, why bother to keep them listed in the first place?

Simply, there is no reason for the Lakers to renounce those players until there's a reason to renounce them. They don't actually get paid. They don't count toward the luxury tax.

They just count against the cap, and it's been many years since the Lakers tried to dip below the cap. If the Lakers want cap room this season, those 12 will be the first to get renounced.

So, again, what's the point keeping them on the books?

In the previous Collective Bargaining Agreement, those players could be signed-and-traded. The Lakers could exceed the cap to re-sign those players using Bird rights, early Bird rights or non-Bird rights and include them in sign-and-trades in order to make salaries match.

Famously, Keith Van Horn participated in such an arrangement, going from the Mavericks to the Nets in the Jason Kidd trade two years after his retirement. In it for Van Horn? The $4.3 million necessary to make the trade work.

However, the current Collective Bargaining Agreement requires a player finished the preceding season with a team to be sign-and-traded. So, keeping these retired players no longer serves the scheme's once-primary purpose

Once more, why do it? Still, the answer is, why not?

Maybe Harper will train really hard and make a miraculous comeback that has teams bidding over his services. In that case, the Lakers would have the inside track at re-signing him. There's no reason to throw away that possibility, no matter how remote.

The Lakers are not alone with such strange cap holds.

The Celtics still have cap holds for Shaquille O'Neal, Grant Long and Michael Finley. The Knicks have Baron Davis and Mike Bibby. The Grizzlies have Gilbert Arenas. There are others around the league.

But this quirk won't last much longer.

The new CBA makes these holds a relic. Beyond the inability to sign-and-trade these players, the current climate encourages teams to dip below the cap more frequently. I can't imagine any team going more than a dozen years without cap room anytime soon.

Enjoy John Salley's last days with the Lakers – 14 years after his retirement – while you can.
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