Justin Bailey - Mayflower

[Peter Porker]

Yeah, and you saw a kid run a 12 something, but I never saw him caught from behind on a football field. Running track and playing football are two different sports, some excel in both, others are just running. I doubt he'd run a 4.39 at Indy, but he must be pretty fast.

I think DM was out of shape when icsaw hi m. He looked a little "thick".

[Huckleberry Pig]

I did not. I saw him racing 5A, 6A, and 7A kids at Heber Springs.

[Huckleberry Pig]

You must not have seen the 3A state championships then, because he won that.

what do you have to run to win that, a sub 17?

[COCHISE]

Interesting that CJ O'Grady is higher than Gragg, yet most Arkansas fans just assume Gragg is superior due to the hype.

For me it's not so much the hype but the offers that Gragg has as I put more stock into what the coaches think than a recruiting service. Coaches at every major college program are after Gragg making him the most heavily recruited player in Arkansas history, that being said O'Grady is putting together a pretty nice offer list himself.

[BigD94]

what do you have to run to win that, a sub 17?

Says he ran 11.3

[Huckleberry Pig]

Says he ran 11.3

hey that's pretty darn good!  i'm not trying to take anything away from the kid and I don't think Porker is either.  just annoying when people get their panties in a wad when someone is merely skeptical, especially when said person had seen him run and finish where he did (in a race that had more competition than 3A).  Now if he had no basis for his skepticism, fling away at him.  But you have sketchy HS 40-times to begin with and Porker had seen him in person finish 5th out of 6.

Seems like a pretty solid basis for skepticism to me.  I highly doubt Porker has it out for this kid so lets layoff the torches and pitchforks. 

[Peter Porker]

Here's the video of the 100m i was referring to.

http://youtu.be/Kgq5TOBS6Uk

[Peter Porker]

Speaking of Gragg, he looked really good at the Razorback  camp earlier this week. He looked like he trimmed down and was in great shape.

[ifghog]

typical american nancy these days... dude states a fact, that he saw the kid run a 100m sprint with 6 other kids and finished 5th, and you overreact and somehow think he's being a big meany... because he stated a fact.  Maybe you should go give the kid a participation trophy.

Porker simply stated he questions the 40 time because of what he saw on the track.  He was there and ACTUALLY saw him run and finish 5th.  Knowing how iffy these high-school 40 times can be, I'd question it too.  And just because he questions it doesn't mean he is against the kid, AYSM?  ifghog, do you work for CNN?

There's a reason we hadn't heard his name until this 40-time came in.  Now, maybe he gained some speed in the offseason - if so good for him!  Lots of kids mature late and gain another gear or two they didn't have the year before, couple that with hard work and training and maybe his new time is accurate.  Again, good for this kid!  Hope he keeps up the hard work and proves that his time is accurate.  That said, at this point I can definitely understand Porkers skepticism.  At least he has some evidence to back it up.

Are we not allowed to be skeptical anymore?  All rainbows and pots of gold in here now huh

It is fine to be skeptical but..he seemed to have a bit of malice behind it. Things like this are usually personal..maybe not. I actually felt I was being quite respectful..maybe you "Huckleberry Pig" should take notes on how to do that. I know nothing about this kid so I asked if he could say anything good about him. Simple question. Calm down buddy.  Good day sir.

[Peter Porker]

It is fine to be skeptical but..he seemed to have a bit of malice behind it. Things like this are usually personal..maybe not. I actually felt I was being quite respectful..maybe you "Huckleberry Pig" should take notes on how to do that. I know nothing about this kid so I asked if he could say anything good about him. Simple question. Calm down buddy.  Good day sir.

How'd  you get any malice from my post? This is exactly what HP is referring to.

[The_Iceman]

what do you have to run to win that, a sub 17?

No, 11.30. All those times seem a little slow to me. I ran an 11.7 my senior year and 12.1 my junior year, and I wasn't near the athlete this guy is.
PL Athlete Team Final Pts
1 Bailey, Justin Mayflower 11.30 10
2 Casebolt, Hunter Elkins 11.49 8
3 chandler, jarrod Barton 11.51 6
4 Stewart, Khaalid Prescott 11.63 5
5 Stephens, Brad Piggott 11.69 4
6 Ferguson, Javion Harmony Grove, Camde 12.06 3
7 Woodham, Josh Mayflower 13.80 2

Compare that to the 7A meet:
1 James, Tre LR Central 10.74 10
2 Louden, Anthony North Little 10.74 8
3 Burke, Jordan Cabot 10.85 6
4 saucier, joey Heritage 10.87 5
5 Thomas, Keondre FS Northside 10.87 4
6 Alexander, Kavin North Little 10.89 3
7 Payton, Keson Bentonville 10.99 2
8 Workman, Brandon Rogers 11.12 1

[MP24]

Ran a 11.3 in finals for 1st and 11.54 in prelims in 100m at 3A state meet.
Ran a 22.88 in finals for 2ND and 23.1 in prelims in 200m. Did not run at the Meet of Champs with the big boys. Keyondre Jones from Camden Fairview won that with a 10.82

http://ar.milesplit.com/meets/175062/results/303867

http://ar.milesplit.com/meets/166271/results/307144

[Hawkinsas]

No one on this board has an opinion  that matters when it comes to this. Your point?

Regardless of what his 100m time is, what place he came in at some track meet in Heber Springs,  or what classification he plays don't try to discredit the 4.39 laser time he ran at the Nike combine, the 4.35 at the ASU camp, or the 4.41 he ran at the UA camp.

[Hawkinsas]

Peter Porker you said you were at the Arkansas camp and was at several track meets, do you have a son that competed?

[GEO-HOG]

Top end speed is different than acceleration so you cannot compare the 100m to the 40. They measure different things.

[Peter Porker]

Peter Porker you said you were at the Arkansas camp and was at several track meets, do you have a son that competed?

Yes. I have a son that just graduated and a sophomore to be.

[Peter Porker]

Regardless of what his 100m time is, what place he came in at some track meet in Heber Springs,  or what classification he plays don't try to discredit the 4.39 laser time he ran at the Nike combine, the 4.35 at the ASU camp, or the 4.41 he ran at the UA camp.

I don't doubt the handheld times. I'm  suspicious of the sparq time.

[The_Iceman]

I don't doubt the handheld times. I'm  suspicious of the sparq time.

To me, a 4.41 runner should do better than 11.3 in the 100 meters. I don't know what the wind situation was, the weather, or the track condition, but I ran against Jarius Wright and there was no doubt his speed. I got a really good look at it from behind

[ifghog]

To me, a 4.41 runner should do better than 11.3 in the 100 meters. I don't know what the wind situation was, the weather, or the track condition, but I ran against Jarius Wright and there was no doubt his speed. I got a really good look at it from behind

You are right on the money. Conditions matter a bunch.

[ricepig]

I don't doubt the handheld times. I'm  suspicious of the sparq time.

Did you watch him run the 40 at camp? It's usually pretty easy to discern top flight speed, no matter if it's 4.41 or 4.6.

[The_Iceman]

You are right on the money. Conditions matter a bunch.

Especially in the sprints, where tenths and hundredths of seconds matter.

[Peter Porker]

Did you watch him run the 40 at camp? It's usually pretty easy to discern top flight speed, no matter if it's 4.41 or 4.6.

I didn't even know he was at the camp. I watched the runningbacks every day. He may have worked with DBs though.

[BrassNunchucks]

Ran a 11.3 in finals for 1st and 11.54 in prelims in 100m at 3A state meet.
Ran a 22.88 in finals for 2ND and 23.1 in prelims in 200m. Did not run at the Meet of Champs with the big boys. Keyondre Jones from Camden Fairview won that with a 10.82

http://ar.milesplit.com/meets/175062/results/303867

http://ar.milesplit.com/meets/166271/results/307144

Speaking of Keyondre Jones, anybody know what happened to him? Did he go to college? He could fly.

[Huckleberry Pig]

It is fine to be skeptical but..he seemed to have a bit of malice behind it. Things like this are usually personal..maybe not. I actually felt I was being quite respectful..maybe you "Huckleberry Pig" should take notes on how to do that. I know nothing about this kid so I asked if he could say anything good about him. Simple question. Calm down buddy.  Good day sir.

there wasn't any malice at all.  do we need to compliment his smile before we can be skeptical of his 40-time?  Never said you were being disrespectful, just a nancy. 

[ifghog]

there wasn't any malice at all.  do we need to compliment his smile before we can be skeptical of his 40-time?  Never said you were being disrespectful, just a nancy. 

LOL. Fair enough. You win.

[scooby21322]

I didn't even know he was at the camp. I watched the runningbacks every day. He may have worked with DBs though.

RD described him as a DB in his tidbits yesterday. 

[WayneHawg]

Korliss Marshall seems like he has break away speed to me, doesnt seem to be a power only back ! I dont think he has struggled at all. Seems like the coaches havnt used him at rb enough.

[Hawkinsas]

I didn't even know he was at the camp. I watched the runningbacks every day. He may have worked with DBs though.

He worked alone with the DB coach doing DB drills for about 15 minutes,  everything else was at RB.  He was rotating in with the groups that consisted of Storey, Stewart, Cantrell, Sprinkle and the other top prospects.   

You were probably watching the groups that the ball boys were coaching

[Peter Porker]

He worked alone with the DB coach doing DB drills for about 15 minutes,  everything else was at RB.  He was rotating in with the groups that consisted of Storey, Stewart, Cantrell, Sprinkle and the other top prospects.   

You were probably watching the groups that the ball boys were coaching

I watched each group as they rotated stations.

[Hawkinsas]

I watched each group as they rotated stations.

When they were in 7 on 7/Team they didn't rotate positions, the top recruits worked with the Razorbacks position coaches.

[Peter Porker]

When they were in 7 on 7/Team they didn't rotate positions, the top recruits worked with the Razorbacks position coaches.

Yes, the 2015 seniors-to-be did work with the Razorback coaches.

[hawgfan4life]

100meter time is not nearly as important as a 40 time because it is more important how quick a kid can accellerate to full speed than it is for him to be able to sustain that speed over 100meters.  A 4.6 kid that can be at 4.6 in a few steps is likely a better DB or WR than a 4.4 WR that takes 20 yards to accelerate to an amazing speed that clocks a great sprint time.  (That is why you hear the term explosive so much when great athletes are mentioned).  Explosion equals quick start, quick change of directions, and jumping ability.  All equally important to linear speed.